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Conference rusure::math

Title:Mathematics at DEC
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:2083
Total number of notes:14613

489.0. "Chords/Arcs - limiting area" by ENGINE::ROTH () Wed May 14 1986 08:42

    Here's a quickie:

    Draw a chord thru a circle which subtends a small arc.  Now draw two more
    chords from the endpoints of the arc to its midpoint, forming a rather
    flat isosceles triangle.

    What is the limiting ratio of the area of the isosceles triangle to the
    area bounded by the long chord and the arc as the subtended angle
    goes to zero?  Can you correctly guess the limit without pencil and
    paper?

    - Jim
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489.11 ?ROXIE::OSMANand silos to fill before I feep, and silos to fill before I feepWed May 14 1986 12:3015
My guess is 1.

For real small angles, the arc itself is hardly longer than the chord,
and almost as straight.  Gee, it's times like these that I'd just
LOVE to be able to draw a sketch in my reply !

Come to think of it, we're in the dark ages in that we can't sketch
with the NOTES system.  I mean, the technology is definitely here
in terms of sketch-resolution tubes, the main problem is the archaic
vt100's that so many people have AND the missing mouse or tablet
with which sketches would be possible.  *sigh*.

Especially in a "math" notes file, sketches are badly needed.

/Eric
489.2LATOUR::JMUNZERTue May 20 1986 14:054
    Three-quarters?  Seems like a funny answer, and I need paper to
    justify it.
    
    John
489.3ENGINE::ROTHTue May 20 1986 20:336
    Nice guess... did you think of the chord as a flat parabola?

    [I guessed either 0 or 1, so much for intuition, and only got the
     right answer the pedestrian way.]

    - Jim
489.4LATOUR::JMUNZERWed May 21 1986 10:3410
    Sorry, .2 was a (pedestrian) calculation, not a (remarkable) guess.
        
    A pleasant way to view the problem is:
    
    	[1]  Think of the n-sided regular polygon sitting in the circle, P(n)
    	[2]  n triangles total:  P(2n) - P(n)
    	[3]  n curved areas total:  circle - P(n)
    	[4]  The answer is the limit of:  [P(2n) - P(n)] / [circle - P(n)]
      
    John