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Title:Mathematics at DEC
Moderator:RUSURE::EDP
Created:Mon Feb 03 1986
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
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143.0. "A group theory problem" by HARE::STAN () Mon Sep 03 1984 16:06

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Subject: Re: Trivial Proof Needed : A group theory problem
Posted: Sat Sep  1 15:53:51 1984



    
     Given a group G and two subsets A and B with |A| + |B| > |G|,

  prove that G = AB


  Obviously the group is finite and | | denotes the cardinality of the
various sets involved.
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143.1HARE::STANWed Sep 05 1984 14:2843
From:	ROLL::USENET       "USENET Newsgroup Distributor"  4-SEP-1984 22:04
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Newsgroups: net.math
Path: decwrl!decvax!dartvax!chuck
Subject: re:  trivial proof about groups
Posted: Mon Sep  3 10:35:38 1984

<Waiting for Fermat>

> Given a group G and two subsets A and B with |A| + |B| > |G|,
> prove that G = AB
>
> Obviously the group is finite and | | denotes the cardinality of the
> various sets involved.

(We use additive notation because it's hard to write multiplicative 
inverses.)

How we do it:
    Suppose that the theorem is false.  That is, suppose there exists
some x in G such that x is not in A+B.  We can use this hypothesis
to construct a subset C of G such that A and C are disjoint and the 
cardinality of C is the same as the cardinality of B.  But this is a
contradiction because since A and C are disjoint subsets of G, we have
|A|+|C| <= |G|.  However, since |C| = |B| by construction, then by
the hypothesis of the theorem we have |A|+|C| > |G|.

Proof:
     Suppose the theorem is false.  Then let x in G be given such
that x is not in A+B.  Let C be the set of all y in G such that 
y = x+(-b) for some b in B.  Clearly, |C| = |B|.  (If not, then there
exist some distinct b1,b2 in B such that x+(-b1) = x+(-b2) implying
b1=b2. #)  Further, A and C are disjoint.  (If they are not disjoint,
then there exists some a in A such that a = x+(-b) for some b in B,
which means a+b = x for some a in A and some b in B, which means x
is in A+B. #)  So we have A and C are disjoint subsets of G, thus
|G| < |A|+|B| = |A|+|C| <= |G| giving us the desired contradiction.

Thanks for posting this problem.  

Chuck
143.2ORPHAN::BRETTFri Sep 07 1984 19:5519
I'm still working on this one (having deliberately not read reply .1) as I
really love a neat group theory problem.   So far the following observations
have occurred...

	(1) Clearly the two sets MUST intersect, furthermore this intersection
		must contain a non-identity element if the sum is not to cover
		G.

	(2) Given a group G, and a subset A, the set of elements of G such that
		gA = A  is in fact a subgroup of G - if G is finite.

		proof...

		    iA = A                      - hence the identity is 'in'.
		    (xy)A = x(yA) = xA = A      - closure
		    i/x = x**n for some n, hence
		    (i/x)A = (x**n)A = A        - inverse

/Bevin
143.3ORPHAN::BRETTSun Sep 09 1984 00:0718
Yeah, I found a simple proof....



Given two subsets, A and B, of a finite group G, such that A+B is a true subset
of G show |A| + |B| <= |G|.

Since A+B is a true subset, choose x from G-(A+B).

Now A must have no intersection with {x}-B else (x-b) + b is in A+B, and =x

Hence A is a subset of G-({x}-B)

Hence |A| <= |G| - |{x}-B| = |G| - |B|

Hence |A| + |B| <= |G|

/Bevin
143.4ORPHAN::BRETTSun Sep 09 1984 11:4713
Ooops - bad notation in previous response, for "G-({x}-B)" read "G intersection
complement {x}-B",  I had two different meanings for "-".

I must look up and see which math symbols are in the multinational char set
for my VT200...



I looked at .1, and its the same proof except worded differently and headig
towards a totally unnecessary contradiction.  

/Bevin