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927.1 | Aha! I can believe it. | MARVIN::CROWLE | Seek not answers; live the questions | Wed Apr 09 1997 13:54 | 5 |
| Now _that's_ something that makes perfect sense.
Thanks for posting that note, Jim, I'll look out for the book.
Brian
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927.2 | | IROCZ::FLETCHER | | Wed Apr 09 1997 15:09 | 11 |
| Interesting! I just went to the doctor's and was discussing weight
loss with him. I mentioned that I exercised 5 - 7 days a week doing
three miles on a gazelle glider in 30 - 40 minutes. He told me that
it was pretty difficult to lose weight by exercising. He said that
"by exercising 1/2 hour, you only tend to burn 150 calories which
amounts to 1 1/2 slices of bread." Now mind you, he wasn't knocking
exercise, he strongly believes in it. In fact he told me that he
exercised 20 minutes a day on his bike. He said it was definitely good
for toning up the body and building muscle mass.
Corey
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927.3 | | PCBUOA::BAYJ | Jim, Portables | Wed Apr 09 1997 18:59 | 93 |
| Well, if you really want to pursue pure weight loss through exercise,
then I'd have to recommend another book. Its called "The Heart Rate
Monitor Book" by Sally Edwards. It came with my heart rate monitor.
Actually, she and Mr. Bailey pretty much agree in principle, and have
even collaborated on a book before. And though you'll find this
information in Mr. Bailey's book, its called out much more clearly and
specifically in Ms. Edwards' book.
Essentially, she divides exercise into five ranges. The lowest range,
50-60% of your maximal heart rate (MHR = 220 - age) is for what she
calls "heart training". This leads to very moderate weight loss, but
helps condition the heart for more advanced exercise. She even
recommends that triathloners occasionally workout at this level to
maintain overall systemic health (this is what I'm doing right now).
The 60-70% range is what she calls the weight loss zone. She contends
that maximum weight loss occurs in this area.
Furthermore, although you continue to burn fat at higher levels of
exercise, other effects, such as increasing muscle mass, tend to mask
the effect of the fat burning, at least in terms of actual weight loss.
Also, at higher levels, the body begins to supplement its energy level
with sugar in higher percentages, which minimizes any significant
*increase* in fat burning (you still burn fat, just not much faster).
For this reason, Mr. Bailey recommends using calipers to measure your
total body fat, instead of a scale to measure your weight.
Ms. Edwards and Mr. Bailey also go on to explain that exercising at
higher levels can lead to over training, which metabolically speaking
can have very negative effects on health and weight loss. Basically,
50-70% (I think Bailey says 50-65%) is the "safe" exercise area. Its
extremely difficult to hurt your body at these levels, and the health
benefits and weight loss are maximized.
70-80% is supposed to be aerobic training, which has its place in an
exercise program, though it can easily be overdone, and isn't a
complete replacement for lower level exercise. And 80-90% is called
anerobic training, which can be helpful when done properly, but doesn't
contribute a significant amount of fat burning beyond what you get at
lower levels (though its effects can lead to an effectively higher
metabolism, which assists in weight loss).
So the interesting thing from both these books is that "less is more".
That is, less strenuous exercise, 3-5 times per week, can actually be a
more effective "pure" weight loss tool than more strenuous programs.
Of course there is a *lot* more to it than that. Mr. Bailey feels that
all exercise zones have a purpose, and also emphasizes strength
training.
To get it all, I recommend the books, and a heart monitor, as well -
its really been very helpful and stimulating for me. I've found that
losing 1-1.5 punds per week is not sufficiently rewarding to keep me on
my program.
However, using the heart rate monitor, and staying in the "safe" zone,
I've seen my distance and pace (another thing Bailey recommends you
track) increase on a daily basis. So even though the scale moves quite
slowly, I know that I am getting healthier, so I can keep urging myself
on each day to see how much farther and faster I go, without ever
losing my breath, getting exhausted or hurting myself, or feeling
uncomfortable. Engergy is up, and it feels good!
Five pounds (in 6 weeks) so far - 55 more to go!!! :-)
jeb
(P.S. Regarding calories, Mr. Bailey clearly explains that the
calories you burn during your workout are the tip of the iceberg,
almost irrelevant, compared to the other changes your body goes
through. For example, he explains that after 20-30 minutes of
exercise, your body starts guarding its sugar stores. It does this by
releasing a flood of fatty acids into the blood so you will have the
energy you need readily available.
I was giddy when I saw this happen. I was pumping along, about 25
minutes in, watching my heart rate and speed jump around as usual, when
suddenly my heart rate just dropped like a rock. I started speeding up
faster to maintain my correct heart rate, and found I was going a half
a kilometer faster than usual! I could not have detected this without
a monitor, but with the monitor, the effect was very noticible and
gratifying.
You see, once the "flood" begins, your body doesn't turn it off for
some time. So you continue to burn fat at a higher rate than usual
even after you stop exercising. As you continue to train, your body
learns to turn this flood on sooner, making any activity more of a
"butter burner", as Bailey says. The book has many more examples of
how its the body changes that count, more than any actual calories
burnt. This "non-caloric" approach to weight loss has been very
helpful to me)
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927.4 | better and better | MARVIN::CROWLE | Seek not answers; live the questions | Thu Apr 10 1997 13:01 | 16 |
| Fascinating, absolutely fascinating.
I'd previously understood that 25 - 30 minutes moderate exercise would
"raise one's metabolism" (whatever that means, exactly). The effect of
that would be to burn calories faster for up to 12 hours afterwards.
So whilst the actual calorie equivalent of the exercise you do seems
quite small, it's the after effects that really help shift the fat.
The explanation in terms of the flood of fatty acids, rather then
"metabolic rate", seems much more tangible and believable. Or does it
really amount to the same thing?
I'm so glad that there's an optimum, moderate level of exercise that
will help produce the desired results. I'm just not into the "Exercise
till it hurts" philosophy ...
Brian
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927.5 | | JARETH::PAINTER | | Thu Apr 10 1997 16:55 | 47 |
|
Brian,
There's also a very good book, "Body, Mind, and Sport", by John
Douillard, a former Olympic triathlete, turned Ayurvedic doctor.
A few weeks ago I was in a weekend workshop with him, and he showed
us how to exercise without 'maxing out'. The most important thing
he taught was to breathe through the nose all the time.
There is a point that the body gets to in exercising where breathing
switches over to the mouth. When that happens, that's when it's time
to slow down and go back to breathing through the nose. It takes
a while to retrain, however when I got back to the office and tried
it while climbing 12 flights of stairs, I reached the top and was
barely winded and felt very energetic, whereas before I used to feel
exhausted. I also did it on my exercise bike at home, and 5 miles
flew by. He emphasized that to integrate the mind/body, it's important
to focus in on the breathing through the nose during exercise, and not
distract the mind through reading.
Breathing through the mouth produces a 'flight or fight' response in
the body. With this kind of exertion, the body believes it's being
chased by a wild animal, and burns short term sugar reserves along with
sending free radicals into the body. The heart beats fast, the oxygen
exchange is rapid and is only in the upper part of the lungs. This can
even bring on panic attacks in people, which is unfortunate. This is
one of the reasons people tend to shy away from exercise, because when
one exercises this way, it only adds more stress to our stress-laden
environment.
Breathing through the nose though...the air is driven into the bottom
part of the lungs, and it's important to exhale through the nose as well,
because of the same reason - to expel the toxins at the bottom of the
lungs. This burns longer-term fat reserves, and with training to do
this nasel breathing, the heart rate stays constant as well. (He cited
one fellow, and amateur runner, who trained with nasel breathing and
throughout the marathon could not get his heart rate above 126.) And
afterwards, you feel energized and calm, rather than exhausted.
John has also put out a tape series called "Invincible Athlete" which
I've heard is quite good.
If anyone decides to give this nasel breathing a try during exercising,
it would be interesting to hear how you made out with it.
Cindy
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927.6 | | PCBUOA::BAYJ | Jim, Portables | Thu Apr 10 1997 21:40 | 49 |
| Covert Bailey pretty much agrees with the nasal breathing idea, though
he doesn't specifically refer to it. Rather, he speaks in terms of
being able to carry on a conversation, not gulping for air, etc. In
ball park terms it comes down to setting a level of effort, which
limiting your breathing through your nose certainly does.
My cut at this is that, when you limit your breathing, you enforce a
certain performance level. My guess is that this level will probably
map pretty closely to the 50-65% maximal heart rate. In other words,
you can buy a heart rate monitor, and work out at a specific heart rate
(which may or may not be exactly what you want), or just breathe
through your nose.
I like the heart rate monitor, partly because I'm a techno-weeny, but
moreso because it lets me track my progress. With nasal breathing, you
know you are in the right exercise zone, but it may be difficult to see
subtle improvements, at least quantitatively. The monitor helps me see
daily improvement, albeit small ones, but gives me feedback I need to
keep going.
Its been very obvious to me over the last two months that I am
naturally using nasal breathing by keeping my heart rate at a certain
level, so all the pieces definitely fit.
As for metabolism, Covert Bailey goes into that, as well. He starts
off discussing basal metabolism, which is EVERYTHING your body does to
stay alive while you are resting, fasting, etc. This varies from
person to person, and is probably affected by overall fitness, weight,
etc. But then he gets into how you determine your overall metabolism,
which includes things like the energy you use to digest your food, the
typing you do at your computer, etc., etc. Though he hints that
metabolism may be fixed and unchangeable, he makes a strong case that
overall metabolism requirements naturally go up for people who are
fit. He stretches the point a bit, but the overall message is that as
you exercise more, you tend to become more active, and this pays off as
an additional requirement you may not have had when you were less fit.
Also, you have to add in things like muscle mass. If you view
metabolism as something that is fixed, then increased muscle mass is
just a variable, like activity. If you include the increased energy
used by muscle mass as part of base metabolism, then at least in that
sense you can change your metabolism.
But no doubt, either way, increased fitness and strength lead to higher
energy consumption, which, if not accompanied by increased caloric
intake, will lead to stabilized or reduced weight.
jeb
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927.7 | Heart rate query... | SHIRE::MEYER | Nick, DTN 7-821-4172 | Sat Apr 12 1997 11:43 | 5 |
| re note 3, can you tell me how much this heart rate thinggy costs?
as I'm interested in exercising at the right level for my age (59)
now that Spring is here...
Many thanks,
Nick
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927.8 | | PCBUOA::BAYJ | Jim, Portables | Mon Apr 14 1997 19:49 | 32 |
| Heart rate monitors consist of two pieces: a chest strap, which
contains the transmitter, and is worn under your clothes over your
heart, and the receiver, a wrist-watch like device that picks up the
signal from the chest strap.
There are several web pages with information on heart rate monitors
(vs. pulse rate monitors, which are entirely different). Polar has
their own page, but this one is very informative:
http://www.heartmonitor.com/
I have seen these priced very low and very high. Some sports equipment
(e.g., NordicTrack) will come with one bundled in. The one I've seen
vary from $70 (perhaps less) to over $300.
The basic models do one thing - display your current heart rate.
Higher level models add features like a clock (i.e. a watch), an
exercise timer, and a feature that lets you set high and low thresholds
to facilitate zone training.
The higher level models allow you to pre-program multiple zones and
durations, essentially letting you manage your workout using the watch.
Finally, the top of the line models will record your heart rate at
various intervals, and can download the data to your PC for analysis.
I have the lower to mid-range model (Polar Edge), with one zone, watch,
and timers that show time in zone. The only feature I wish it had is
the average heart rate.
jeb
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927.9 | | PCBUOA::BAYJ | Jim, Portables | Mon Apr 14 1997 19:56 | 7 |
| BTW, my monitor came with Sally Edwards' book, "The Heart Rate Monitor
Book". If your model doesn't come with it, I recommend it. The
enstructions that came with the watch explain its use, but didn't say
much about heart zone training and how to go about it.
jeb
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