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Title:	Weight Loss and Maintenance
Notice:	PLEASE enter notes in mixed case (CAPS ARE SHOUTING)!
Moderator:	ASICS::LESLIE

Created:	Mon Jul 09 1990
Last Modified:	Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:	Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:	933
Total number of notes:	9931

849.0. "The Hay Diet - Food Combining For Health" by KERNEL::ROSE () Sat Mar 12 1994 18:29

      Hi, Everyone ! 

      I've done a search on for 'Hay' (as in the Hay Diet) and 'Combining' 
      (as in 'Food Combining for Health') and didn't find anything so 
      I thought I'd start a note off. 

      I met a friends' Mum in town one day and mentioned that I'd been 
      getting terrible heartburn (acid indigestion) and she suggested
      that I try the "Hay Diet" (named after Dr Hay) ! It's all to do 
      with food combining i.e. eating foods which don't 'fight' ! Her
      husband and her had been following it to try and cure Colitis.
      Before I tried it I was having to take Gaviscon three or four times 
      a day (after every meal) to stop the terrible heartburn ! 

      The basic principle of the diet is that you don't eat protein at 
      the same as, or within 4 hours of, carbohydrates (starch). Certain 
      foods are regarded as neutral and they can be eaten with starches 
      or proteins. Apparently when we eat carbohydrates our digestive
      system produces certain digestive juices and for protein it produces
      different digestive juices - If it produces both they end up counter-
      acting each other and food goes through undigested. Processed foods 
      (i.e. tins and packets) are not recommended as they contain chemicals 
      in one form or another. Freeze dried food loses a lot of it's goodness.

      Within 2 days of going on the diet my heartburn stopped altogether.
      My weight dropped by 20lbs in about 6 weeks and I felt so much better,
      I didn't even have to count calories - I was eating as much as I wanted,
      including plenty of fruit and vegetables. The only time I get heartburn 
      now is when I go back to my old ways of eating. 

      I know it's not the diet for everyone as most of us enjoy pasta with 
      cheese or meat sauce, or numerous other combinations which we take for
      granted that don't follow Dr Hay's guidelines, but I find that by 
      sticking to the principles 5 days a week I am able to keep my weight 
      under control. The other two days, usually the weekend, I eat anything 
      I want (Chocolate, Pizza, Ice Cream, etc). In the book they mention that
      if you can get off sugar and processed foods for three days you stop
      getting cravings and I found that was the case when I was stuck rigidly
      to it.

      Any comments, questions ?!

      Bye

      Trevor

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849.1		WLDBIL::KILGORE	Time to put the SHARE back in DCU!	`Wed Mar 16 1994 15:56`	8
	.0> The basic principle of the diet is that you don't eat protein at .0> the same as, or within 4 hours of, carbohydrates (starch). How may times a day do you eat carbohydrates? How many times a day do you eat proteins?
849.2	O.K. to eat more often than every 4 hrs	KERNEL::ROSE		`Wed Mar 16 1994 19:21`	17
	Ref .1 Most of my meals are carbohydrate ones. Breakfast normally consists of freshly chopped fruit (e.g. apple) with natural yogurt poured over. Yogurt, even though it's contains protein, is classed as 'neutral and so is fruit so this would be classed as a neutral meal and you could eat protein OR carbohydrate within 4 hours of it. It's o.k. to eat more often than every 4 hours but, if you're eating protein (e.g. meat) you're not supposed to eat it within 4 hours of a carbohydrate (starch) meal. Bye Trevor
849.3	Where can you get material on this?	ICS::KAMHOLZ		`Wed Mar 16 1994 22:13`	7
	Where can one get a copy/explanation of this diet? Book? Magazine? Video? It sounds great! I don't have a problem with heartburn, but I am interested in reading about this. Jen
849.4	Full title to follow	KERNEL::ROSE		`Thu Mar 17 1994 21:53`	19
	Ref .3 Hi, Jen, I'll have a look at my copy at home and give you the official title and "IBN" ref number, then if you can't find it you'll be able to order it. What I liked most about it was that you don't have to count calories. Supposedly if you eat the correct food your body can get rid of excess weight. If I ever get hungry between meals I just eat fresh fruit, bananas are good for making you feel full because they're starchy so take longer to digest. Anyway, I'll check out the title and add a reply with it. Bye Trevor
849.5	Book info	KERNEL::ROSE		`Fri Mar 18 1994 18:27`	17
	Ref .3 Hi, again, Jen, The title of the book is "Food Combining for Health" and it's written by Doris Grant and Jean Joice. If your trying to find it in the book shop it might help you to know that it has a red cover. Published by Thorsons - ISBN 0 7225 2506 0 Hope you can find it. Bye Trevor
849.6	Thanks!	ICS::KAMHOLZ		`Mon Mar 21 1994 17:48`	3
	Thanks Trevor. Jen
849.7		CNTROL::JENNISON	Do you hear the people sing ?	`Wed Jun 01 1994 14:48`	16
	I keep meaning to bring in my Wellness Encyclopedia to enter a quote on food combinination diets, but I keep forgetting. The gist of it is that there is no magic formula of food combining for weightloss or better health. There is no scientific evidence that food combining does anything good for you (though it could be bad for you if the recommendations are not an overall balanced diet). The best way to lose weight and be healthy is to eat a low-fat, balanced diet comprised of a variety of foods. (and EXERCISE !!!!) Karen
849.8		KERNEL::ROSE		`Sat Jun 18 1994 11:41`	26
	Ref .7 Hi, Karen, I would agree with you that it would be bad for your health to stick to anything but a balanced diet. For me the hay diet worked because I didn't have to count calories and was eating so much that I never felt hungry - I was eating a lot of fresh vegetables, potatoes, and salad and not much meat so it probably worked out as a 'low fat' diet ! Surely it must be good for our health to stick to fresh foods and not eat additives (colouring, MSG, etc.) which are found in most packet and canned food. I'm having trouble sticking to the Hay Diet at the moment but I put that down to having eaten sugar (cookies, cakes) and it takes three days to get rid of those chemicals which cause the cravings (according to the book). I know when I first went on the diet I lost all cravings after a few days. Thanks for the info. Bye Trevor