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Conference rocks::weight_control

Title: Weight Loss and Maintenance
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Moderator:ASICS::LESLIE
Created:Mon Jul 09 1990
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:933
Total number of notes:9931

757.0. "Fat grams in butter/margarine" by JUPITR::KAGNO (Kitties with an Attitude) Wed Jul 15 1992 15:16

    I didn't know where else to place this, so moderators, please feel free
    to move it.
    
    All I want to know is if someone can tell me how many grams of fat are
    in 1 pat of butter and margarine (the ones you get in the cafeterias
    here at DEC).  Are the calories the same as well?
    
    I'm more concerned with the fat grams vs. the calories, but will
    welcome both pieces of information.
    
    Thanks!
    
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757.1is this what you wanted to know?TLE::DBANG::carrolla woman full of fireWed Jul 15 1992 19:3718
One gram of fat has 9 calories, whether the source of the fat is butter
or margarine.

One tsp of butter or (regular) margarine has about 5 grams of fat, that
is, 45 calories (all of which come from fat.)

One pat of butter = 1 tsp = 5 grams = 45 calories.

Some low calorie spreads have fewer calories/grams per tsp, because they
"fill" the margarine with water or other fillers.  Whipped butter or
marg also has fewer calories per tsp because air is used as a filler.
Country Crock is one example of that.  

Up here at ZK, in addition to the standard 1 tsp pat of butter they 
also have tiny tubs of Promise, which I believe is regular margarine.
A tub is, I think, 1/2 tsp, ie: 2.5 grams of fat.

D!
757.2JUPITR::KAGNOKitties with an AttitudeWed Jul 15 1992 20:292
    Thanks D!  That is exactly what I wanted to know, and more!!
    
757.3My .02ADNERB::MAHONThu Jul 16 1992 18:4917
    In my opinion, anyone on a diet should avoid:
    
    Butter
    peanut butter
    oil
    cereals with sugar and high fat
    saccarin or/and aspartame
    sauces
    mayonnaise (unless it's nonfat)
    
    Substitute with:
    
    apple sauce
    no sugar jam spreads
    rice cakes with frozen yogurt is an excellent snack
    Eye of round steak (fat cut off) has the least amount of fat/ounce
    
757.4JUPITR::KAGNOKitties with an AttitudeThu Jul 16 1992 19:059
    I count fat grams, and try to stay between 20 and 40 on a given day (40
    if I feel like splurging a bit, but mostly I try not to go above 20
    --I'm trying to lose the last 10-15 pounds, and it is tough!).
    
    I see no reason why I can't enjoy a teaspoon of butter on my bagel if I
    count it toward my total fat intake for the day.  Plus, by eating it
    first thing in the morning, it will probably burn off faster than if I
    ate it at night.  I exercise regularly, at least 6 days/week.
    
757.5speak for yourself onlyTLE::TLE::D_CARROLLa woman full of fireThu Jul 16 1992 19:5822
    >    In my opinion, anyone on a diet should avoid:
    
    In my opinion, people shouldn't diet.  People should try to lose weight
    by modifying their eating habits, which means eating *less* fat, not
    *no* fat.  A non-fat diet is virtually unmaintainable.  A lo-fat diet
    is something I, at least, can live with for the rest of my life.
    
    I eat aprx 30-45 grams of fat a day.  If I want to have those fats as
    butter, peanut butter, oil, nuts, mayonnaise or salad dressing, I will.
    
    As for avoiding sacharinne or asparatame, I do so, for my own reasons,
    but I see no reason why you should be advocating it to *others* - it
    certainly doesn't inhibit weight loss.
    
    In my opinion, people should not advocate extreme measures for other
    people, because what works for one person won't necessarily work for
    others.
    
    D!, unrepentent fat-eater
    
    PS: "Sauces"?!?!  Why "sauces"?  Anyone who thinks sauces are fattening
    hasn't tried my wonderful fat-free Marinara or Tandoori/Masala sauce...
757.6ASICS::LESLIEPeople - we're #1Thu Jul 16 1992 20:494
    BTW: a good way to reduce the fat in cakes or biscuits is to use banana
    instead.
    
    First saw this in Runners World and it's great.
757.7what do you mean by biscuit?TLE::TLE::D_CARROLLa woman full of fireThu Jul 16 1992 21:226
    I do that with muffins all the time.  Do you mean "biscuits" in the
    English (cookies) or American (bread-like pastries for serving with
    red-eye gravy)?  If the latter, can you post a recipe?  I'd love to
    make fat free biscuits.
    
    Diana
757.8ASICS::LESLIEPeople - we're #1Fri Jul 17 1992 10:291
    Sorry, I'm talking shortbreak and other english-style biccies here.
757.9You do your thing, I'll do mine. ADNERB::MAHONMon Jul 20 1992 22:094
    To each his own I guess.  I'll stick to my eating habits.  Everyone
    is different, as you say.
    
    B
757.10Nothing is free!CSC32::M_STAFFORDAgainst the evil rapbolt thugs!Thu Aug 13 1992 20:1114
    I have a question that is kind of related to this topic...

    I was curious about fat free mayo.  It appears to me that they
    replaced the hydrogenated soybean oil with something called
    cellulose gum.  Is fat free mayo actually fat free?

    My reason for asking is, that in the past, I noticed on the 
    so-called fat free salad dressings they contained hydrogenated
    soybean oil and still claimed fat=0gm.  Soybean oil is not fat 
    free no matter how you slice it!  Today, at the store, I noticed 
    the fat free dressing contains cellulose gum too?

    thanks for the info,
    michael
757.11No cholestertol, maybe?ESCROW::ROBERTSThu Aug 13 1992 20:236
    re .10
    
    Are you sure the dressings that contained oil were said to be *fat*
    free -- or was it cholesterol free?  Many fats contain no cholesterol.
    
    -ellie
757.12i hate fatCSC32::M_STAFFORDAgainst the evil rapbolt thugs!Thu Aug 13 1992 21:2414
    re .11

    Hi Ellie,

    Funny you should mention that.  I tried calling Kraft on their 800#
    to ask how they could say there dressing had zero grams of fat when
    it contained soybean oil, and they said they were actually stating 
    that the dressing had no "cholesterol fat grams" in the product.  I
    found that misleading, but it is still true...sorta.

    I have now noticed that most of the fat free products I use have no 
    oil but rather cellulose gum instead.

    michael
757.13MILKWY::ZARLENGAbut I _like_ tuna!Sat Aug 15 1992 18:009
.10> My reason for asking is, that in the past, I noticed on the 
.10> so-called fat free salad dressings they contained hydrogenated
.10> soybean oil and still claimed fat=0gm.  Soybean oil is not fat 
    
    I think you're confusing cholesterol-free with fat-free.
    
    Hydrogenated soybean oil is digestible fat, but because it's a
    plant fat, it has no cholesterol, and that's probably what was 
    advertised on the label (and on the back as 0gm).
757.14psMILKWY::ZARLENGAbut I _like_ tuna!Sat Aug 15 1992 18:021
    And by the way, cellulose gum is not a fat.
757.15PENUTS::SEMYONOVMon Aug 17 1992 21:463
    
    Kraft non-fat dressing does not contain soybean oil.
    Not good either.
757.16sounds dreadful, but better than fat, I s'poseCFSCTC::CARROLLa woman full of fireTue Aug 18 1992 18:044
    What *is* cellulose gum?  Is it digestible, and if so, are the calories
    carbo or protein?
    
    D!
757.17MILKWY::ZARLENGArotate your tires, Cindy?Wed Aug 19 1992 02:285
    re: the "fat free salad dressing"
    
    I see that some salad dressings are advertised as "saturated fat free."
    
    That's probably what you saw, not "fat free."
757.18"fat free" is a marketing term, not a technical oneCFSCTC::CARROLLa woman full of fireFri Aug 21 1992 17:018
    I have rice cake here that are "fat free" eventhough soybean oil is
    listed in the ingredients.  I think that is because the term "fat free"
    means less than a certain amount of fat - maybe less than .5g per
    serving? - and that if it has less than that amount of oil they can use
    that term.  So perhaps there is so little oil in the product that it
    qualifies as "fat free".
    
    Diana
757.19keep it free!CSC32::M_STAFFORDAgainst the evil rapbolt thugs!Fri Aug 21 1992 17:3510
    re: all
    
    Thanks for the responses.  I guess the best way to know it is "fat
    free" is to make it yourself.  I have managed to get used to using
    rice vineger as a dressing for salad, and really do not use the
    fat free mayo often enough to worry a whole lot...I just get tired
    of dry tuna and the fat free mayo was a nice way to snap it up to
    tuna salad.
    
    michael
757.20how extreme do you want "fat free" to be?CFSCTC::CARROLLa woman full of fireFri Aug 21 1992 21:5614
    You could always look at the nutrition label...
    
    BTW, nothing is totally, 100% completely fat free.  All living
    organisms require fat to survive.  If it was once alive, it has fat. 
    But some things (like, say, lettuce) contain SO LITTLE fat as to be
    "fat free" reasonably speaking.  Read carefully - if something really
    claims to be "fat free" then it has so little fat as to be negligible
    (such as fat free mayo, and fat free rice cakes.)
    
    As for salad topping, try balsamic vinegar - richer flavor than rice
    vinegar.  Mix it with some herbs and fat-free [ :-) ] yogurt for a
    creamier sort of dressing.
    
    Diana
757.21mustard and relish for tunaCTHQ2::SANDSTROMborn of the starsWed Aug 26 1992 21:2513
    re .19
    
    Michael,
    
    I eat a lot of tuna sandwiches for lunch (weight watchers) and
    also try to stay away from mayo.  I usually use a small pita
    bread, split it open, spread on a little mustard on one side 
    (there are lots of different kinds!), spread a little relish
    on the other, and the dry tuna goes in the middle.  It sounds 
    weird - mustard/relish/tuna - but it's really quite good and
    you can vary it many ways with different mustards and relishes.
    
    Conni
757.22Tuna patties, yum yum!CSC32::M_STAFFORDAgainst the evil rapbolt thugs!Tue Sep 01 1992 18:0019
    Thanks Conni,

    I think your idea sounds great!  I have rolled tuna up in a
    flour tortilla with mustard, but the pita sounds better.

    Here is one:

    		1 can tuna (drained)
    	      	apprx. 1 cup corn flakes (more if you like)
    		1 or 2 egg whites (more whites = more moist)
    		squirt of lemon juice
    		salt/pepper to taste

    		mix all, form into thin patties, fry till crispy 
    		brown with spray-on oil or just enough margarine 
    		to keep the things from sticking to the pan...I 
    		like them with ketchup!
    
    michael
757.23PENUTS::SEMYONOVWed Oct 21 1992 17:079
    
    
    Could anyone tell me what's cal/fat count in syrian/armenian string 
    cheese? Those imported kinds of cheese as a rule don't have
    info on the back of the package.
    
    Thanks,
    
    Liza
757.24HDLITE::ZARLENGAMichael Zarlenga, Alpha P/PEGFri Oct 23 1992 06:563
    If it's a whole milk cheese, between 8 and 10 grams of fat per ounce.
    
    And about 50% of the calories from fat.