Conference rocks::weight_control

    	Eliminating the sour cream will cut ~150 calories from the Taco
    Bell taco salad. Not getting the beans will cut an additional
    ~125 calories.                              
    
    -mike z

    Mike,
    
    That's true, but that will still leave 635 calories to ingest. 
    I personally think that's too many calories to eat in one meal.
    I try to have about 200 to 250 calories for breakfast, 350 to 400
    for lunch, and 300 for dinner.  That leaves me room for a snack
    during the day if I want it.  A piece of fruit is a great pick me
    up in the afternoon.  I appreciate the suggestion, though.
    
    Virginia

Does Burger King have nutritional information available like McD's has?  That
would be the best answer if you're looking for calorie counts.

Alternate idea:  Buy one (Dressing on the side!), take it home, and weigh
/measure what you can.  I've never gotten one so I can't help in the details,
but cheese is about 100 calories an ounce, turkey about what?  50?, ham about
80 maybe?  You can look these things up in your calorie book and figure out
what it adds up to.

Taco salad: Yum :-).  Guacamole and sour cream will both cost you dearly,
And depending on how much ground beef and cheese they stuff in you can add
up real fast.  You can sort of calculate this yourself too.

Let us know what you find out!

Jill

    Stay away from Chef Salads.  The cheese is fattening, the egg is
    fattening, and the meats are fattening (with the exception of turkey
    and/or chicken).  The McDonald's Chicken Oriental is the best "fast
    food salad" around.  With the low cal dessing, it's only a few
    hundred calories.  The Garden salad with low cal dressing wouldn't
    be bad either - EXCEPT for the cheese they put on it.
    
    Does this help?  You basically don't have much choice if you want
    a low cal and low fat salad.

    RE .3 
    Jill,
    
    Taking it home and weighing everything out is a great idea!!  Now,
    why didn't I think of that!! ;-}!!
    
    RE .4
    
    I know all that stuff is fattening, but this is a relatively small
    salad.  It is mostly lettuce, a half of an egg (2 quarters) 4 cucumber
    slices, 2 tomato wedges, 1 bell pepper ring, and a scant amount
    of turkey, ham, and cheese.  I order the lite Italian dressing.
    There is 25 calories in the whole packet of it.  I don't usually
    use the little package of croutons they "sometimes" give me (you
    know how drive thru's are!!).  Then, you get 2 to 4 saltines with
    it, depending on how generous the person at the drive-thru window
    is.  I probably would not order this if I was at a nice restaurant
    that would put more cheese and meat on the salad.  This is a fast
    food salad, therefore, it is made as cheaply as possible.  That
    translates into very little meat or cheese as these are the more
    "expensive" ingredients of the salad.  Am I making any sense?
    
    Thanks for all the input!!
    
    Virginia

    re the discussion of taco salads a few replies back:
    
    I remember reading somewhere that the Wendy's taco salad only has
    around 350 calories.         
    
    
    Paul

    
    re:  .6
    
    	   	?What? Wendy's taco salad?? 
    
    		Ours down here don't have one!! 
    
    			I'd love a taco salad for only 350 calories....!
    
    				My

    
    	Wendy's, on the East Coast, used to carry a taco salad until
    about 2-3 years ago.
    
    	As of last year, they were still available in Wendy's on the
    West coast.
    
    -mike z

    Wendy's in NH discontinued the Taco Salad for a while, then brought
    it back "by popular demand".  You might try filling out suggestion
    cards, writing to the main offices, etc.

    The other option is to get a bowl of chili and a side salad, and add
    your own taco chips!  I make taco salads at home with taco meat...
    
    Beverly
    

    Taco Salads:
    1-Our Wendy's in Colorado has taco salads, and they are pretty good.
    
    2-The reason the Taco Bell taco salad is so high is due to the 
    shell.  It is fried in coconut type oil.  You could try just eating
    the 'inside' of the taco salad, but if you're like me it's hard
    to resist!  I bet at least half of the 910 calories are from the
    shell.

    RE -.1
    
    I bet you're right about half of the calories being in the shell.
    I use to (before I found out how high in calories these are) just
    crumble the top part of the shell and mix it in with my salad, but
    never ate the bottom, soggy part of the shell.  I have a calorie
    book at home that lists some of the major fast food places and their
    food item calorie contents.  I'll look tonight and see if it has
    Wendy's Taco Salad in it.  It has Burger King in it, but not there
    chef salad.  It could be the same way with Wendy's, ie...list Wendy's,
    but not the taco salad.  It's really amazing at how many calories
    fast food has in it.  Until you see it in black and white you'd
    never guess how many of those little critters are in a burger, fries,
    and milk shake.  I use to drink chocolate malts alot and I found
    out a large one of them has over 1000 calories in it.  I use to
    think nothing about ordering a jumbo cheeseburger, large fries, and
    a large shake or malt.  That's probably where the majority of my
    extra lbs. came from.  I'm learning to retrain my brain on a different
    level of satisfaction.  Anyway, I'll quit rambling and look in my
    calorie book tonight for the Wendy's taco salad!!

    I looked in my book last night.  It had Wendy's listed, but not
    the taco salad; sorry!!  I'd like to know that myself!!

    Wendy's sells Taco salads in SC, NC, and West VA. still!!  BUT they
    are not the same thing as the Taco salad that is served in Taco
    Bell and Del Taco.
    
    Wendy's Taco salad is just chili, lettuce, tomatoes, and cheese
    on top of tortilla CHIPS.  That accounts for most of the difference
    in calories.  These are good, but they (SIGH!) don't compare to
    the other taco SHELLS.
    
    Dee Dee

    Last night I was looking through my new calorie counter book, and
    sure enough it listed Wendy's Taco Salad.  390 calories.

             <<< ATSE::DOCDISK:[NOTES$LIBRARY]WEIGHTLOSS.NOTE;1 >>>
                        -< Weightloss and Maintenance >-
================================================================================
Note 392.0                    Taco Bell taco salad                    No replies
KIRKWD::FRIEDMAN                                      2 lines  13-JAN-1989 14:18
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Is it true that a taco salad at Taco Bell has over 1100 calories?
     

    RE: Taco Salad at Taco Bell
    
    Yes, they are over 1100 calories.  Several years I called the home
    facility for Taco Bell to get the calorie count on the taco salad.
    I forget exactly, but it was around 1200 -1400.  I was shocked!!
    I'm sure most of those calories are in the shell, as they use 
    coconut oil for cooking them.

Recently I've been going out occasionally at lunch and getting Wendy's 
Garden Spot salad bar.  For those of you who aren't familiar with it, it's 
a pretty normal salad bar with the usual veggies, etc.  I get lettuce, 
broccoli (lots), cauliflower (lots), cheese (just a little), egg (just a 
little), carrots, cukes, tomatoes, radishes, and whatever other veggies 
might be available.  It's a good, satisfying lunch!

Instead of topping it with one of my WW single-serving salad dressing 
pouches, I've been using Wendy's Low-Cal Italian dressing. I was just 
wondering if anyone out there might have a reference that gives the calorie 
count of that (or any other) salad bar reduced-calorie Italian dressing.

							Pat