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Title: Weight Loss and Maintenance
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Moderator:ASICS::LESLIE
Created:Mon Jul 09 1990
Last Modified:Tue Jun 03 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:933
Total number of notes:9931

201.0. "ORGANIC and/or HEALTH foods" by HPSCAD::WHITMAN (Acid rain burns my BASS) Wed Jan 20 1988 09:43

	In looking for an approriate place to continue a discussion started in
Note 198, but which goes beyond the boundries of Dairy Products, I searched
for a topic with ORGANIC or HEALTH FOODS in the title, but found none.

I'd like to use this topic to discuss the relative merits of ORGANICALLY grown
foods (both meats and vegetables).

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201.1organically grown is availableHPSCAD::WHITMANAcid rain burns my BASSWed Jan 20 1988 10:0944
re 198.7
	This reply is a response to some points brought up in Note 198, but
which go beyond the scope of DAIRY products and applies to many foodstuffs.

	In note 198.7 Glenn made some good points and quoted a government report
indicating there may be more in your hamburger than you thought.  In view of
these undesireable chemicals, what can those of us not inclined to go
vegetarian do to limit the RESIDUES, the medications, and the pesticides that
are of concern? 

I believe we have a couple options:

	1: Organically grown meats and vegetables are available at a premium 
		price. They cost the consumer more because the farmer incurred 
		more losses and a higher cost of feed.  The cost argument holds
		for the vegetables as well.  The reason for most of the food
		additives is to prevent sickness in the animals and crop loss
		to insects and disease. (have you had YOUR shots lately;-)???)

	2: We can buy vegetables from local growers (farmstands vegetables for
		instance) where we can ask the grower what fertilizers and
		pesticides were used.  In a similar manner many newspaper
		classified ads have a FARM ANIMALS section.  In many cases the
		animals offered for sale here are not products of the feed lot
		where the medications may have been added to the food as a 
		preventative measure.  Again you can ask the seller what
		medications have been applied.  If you buy the animal, it can
		be taken to a local 'custom' slaughter house for butchering.
		You more or less know what your getting (at least more so than
		the local supermarket).  This senario requires a large freezer
		and the time and energy of the consumer.  The price of foods
		purchased this way will probably wind up being a little more
		expensive than the corner market, but not a high as the
		specialty shops.

	3: A few of us can grow our own.  In my case, at this point in time, it
		is not worth my time and energy to have farm animals.  My 
		attitude toward this has flip-flopped before and it may again.


		Al

P.S.	Yes, Glenn, this interesting stuff.

201.2You're rightCSC32::G_MCINTOSHWed Jan 20 1988 10:1610
    Hi Al.
    
    I think you're absolutely right.  If you choose to eat meat, then
    I believe that, by all means you should purchase organically grown
    meat, thereby reducing and/or eliminating the hormones, antibiotics,
    etc.  I know that here in Colorado, there are a number of ranchers
    that are doing exactly that.  It's a great idea.
    
    Glenn

201.3If you're going to eat eggs . . .BEVRLY::KASPERThis note contains exactly ---> Thu Jan 21 1988 10:5115
    
    Another thing to look for is eggs (I know, but some of us will continue
    to eat them, Glenn:-)!) from free-ranging chickens.  Check health
    food stores and coops for these (I shop at the State Street Food Coop
    in Concord, NH for a eggs as well as organic produce and various
    wheat-free foods).
    
    The eggs you buy in the supermarket come from "egg factories," where
    the chickens are on a shortened day (they get more eggs that way), and
    are anemic because the wire mesh cages (easier to clean) prevent them
    from scratching.  It's pretty awful, and not especially appetizing.
    
    Bev
    

201.4Good foodsSQM::AITELEvery little breeze....Thu Jan 21 1988 15:0124
    The problem with meats is not limited to what the animals were injected
    or medicated with.  How about the feed they get?  Was it fertilized
    with something dangerous?  How can you tell, even if you buy from 
    a local live-stock raiser?
    
    I have heard much about the loss of vitamins/minerals in veggies
    from several sources:
    	- depletion of minerals in overworked and overfertilized soil 
    	- improper storage of the vegetables and fruits
	- picking some fruits and vegetables green so they are able
    	  to be shipped without spoiling or bruising
    	- growing varieties for market because of appearance or
    	  shipping characteristics, not for their nutritional content.
    The only real way to fight this is to grow your own organic garden, and
    to freeze as much as you can.  Yes, even in the freezer there is
    nutrient loss, but at least you know what went into the freezer
    and in most cases it'll still be better than the grocery.

    If you want to explore this further, I suggest looking in
    	- Organic Gardening Magazine
    	- PICA::GARDEN (after hours only)
    
    --Louise

201.5NOFA is a sourceBEVRLY::KASPERThis note contains exactly ---> Thu Jan 21 1988 15:319
    Re: Organic Gardening (the subject, not the magazine):
    
    	Try looking up NOFA - The Natural and Organic Farmers'	
    	Association.  My coop has flyers; I'll try to remember to pick
    	one up next time I'm  there, so I can enter the contact info.
    
    Beverly
    

201.6dieters teaSOLVIT::HAECKDebby HaeckTue Apr 12 1994 18:4921
Hi

I bought something called "Super Dieters Tea" put out by Laci Le Beau.  It's
ingredients are:
	Locust Plant (Cassia Angustifolia)
	Wymote (Althaea officinalis)
	Sagekhomi (Archtostaphylos uva ursi)
	Ginseng (Panax Quinquefolia)
	Honeysuckle
	Chrysanthemum
	Papaya
	Caparral
	Orange Peel & spices

The directions say 1st time users should not drink full strength, and that it
should be drunk after meals.

Does any one have any idea why this combination of ingredients is a dieters
tea?  

Debby