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| 164.1 | Oh yea! | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Tue Dec 01 1987 13:53 | 18 |
| One more note....this is NOT a diet of starvation. You're not trying
to defeat your natural hunger drive. When eating the right foods,
you eat as much as you want, whenever you want. I believe this
food combination idea is hogwash. Eat as much as you want, whenever
you want, but eat the right things! Note that food is merely fuel.
Fuel your body correctly, and you won't have overweight problems,
osteoporosis in women is a direct cause of too much protein in the
diet, which changes the physiology of the kidneys and causes calcium
to be washed away in the urine. The fix isn't to take in more calcium
(although upjohn and the other pill pushers are thrilled with this
thought), the answer is to reduce the protein in the diet.
The proper diet is high in carbohydrates, high in fiber, naturally
low in calories (but you shouldn't care about this anymore),low
in fat, no cholesterol (animal products), naturally low in protein.
Glenn
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| 164.2 | welcome | BUSY::MAXMIS11 | | Tue Dec 01 1987 13:55 | 12 |
| Glenn,
I'm with you, kid. It is a dificult concept to digest [;^)] but
very true. I have lost 68 pounds since last March mearly by changeing
the kind of food I eat. Though I do not eat the "feast" foods you
list at all because of allergies, I have read the McDougal Plan
and the book Diet for a Small Planet. I now eat far more in volume
than I have ever eaten in my life, but in doing so I am nourishing
my body, not just feeding it.
Marion
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| 164.3 | Great! | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Tue Dec 01 1987 14:10 | 7 |
| Wait a minute.....I was prepared to be bombarded with arguements
and threats on my childrens lives, etc. not with agreement. You've
taken the wind out of my sails.....Actually, I'm thrilled for you.
Congratulations.
Glenn
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| 164.4 | You just watch! | QBUS::WOOD | Met him on a Monday | Tue Dec 01 1987 14:23 | 12 |
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Glenn...
Here's another agreement! I eat pretty much like you said,
too, altho a few sweets still sneak in there now and then......
but I'm not as bad about them as I used to be. ANd it's working!
You'll be hearing more as I proceed to lose and get down to
my goal.
Myra
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| 164.5 | ??????? | BUSY::MAXMIS11 | | Tue Dec 01 1987 14:24 | 20 |
|
Actually, Glenn, I think you'll find that there is quite a cross
section of diet philosophies present here. That's one of the reasons
that I enjoy this conference. I read - I learn - I profit from
everybody's experiences. Everybody here seems to "be there"
for each other, and that's very important. I think we all know
that what works for the individual is the ticket. One thing we
all will agree upon, however, and that is that the only good pound
is a lost pound!
I do have questions, Glenn. Have you been overweight? If so,
did you loose it by the plans mentioned? Does your entire family
eat that way? How about your [so far unthreatened ;^D] kids?
How did you come across your eating philosophy? How did you handle
Thanksgiving? I'll probably think of a million questions later,
so get set, OK? I have not talked to anybody before that saw the
plans mentioned as a weight loss method.
Marion
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| 164.6 | 7 day tryout! | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Tue Dec 01 1987 14:51 | 405 |
|
For those of you who may want to try the McDougall Plan for 7 days,
I'm inserting a Sample Seven-Day Menu Plan, and necessary recipes.
Day 1
Breakfast
Oatmeal
Herbal tea
Midmorning Snack
orange or apple and/or rice
Lunch
1 piece of whole wheat pita bread cut in half and stuffed with
lettuce, tomatoes, other vegetables such as cucumbers, grated carrots,
radishes, onion, sprouts.
Spoon some Ortega green chili salsa over top if desired
1 fruit such as apple, banana, orange or 1/2 papaya or grapefruit
Herbal tea or water
Midafternoon Snack
Raw vegetables such as carrots, celery or zucchini
Dinner
Fried rice (use rice you prepared earlier in the day)
Tossed green salad
French tomato dressing for salad (make in the afternoon before
dinner;refrigerate before serving).
Corn on the cob - either fresh or frozen (follow directions on bag,
no salt in water).
Evening snack
1 apple
Raw vegetables as desired
Herbal tea
Day 2
Breakfast
Cracked wheat or 4-grain cereal
Herbal tea or juice
Midmorning snack
1 orange or apple and/or potato or rice
Lunch
1 piece whole wheat pita bread or leftover brown rice covered
with split peas on toast. Takes about 1 hour. May be prepared
early in the morning and reheated.
1 fruit - apple, banana, or orange
Water
Midafternoon snack
Raw vegetables
Dinner
Marinara tomato sauce
Whole wheat spaghetti noodles or buckwheat soba noodles
Whole wheat bread
Salad - lettuce, sprouts, onions, cucumber
French tomato dressing
Water
Evening snack
1 orange or 1/2 grapefruit
Raw vegetables
Herbal tea
Day 3
Breakfast
Oatmeal
Herbal tea
Midmorning snack
1 banana
Potato or leftover rice
Lunch
1 whole wheat pita bread, cut in half, spread with cold leftover
split pea recipe and stuffed with tomatoes, lettuce, or sprouts.
Raw vegetables as desired.
1 fruit - apple, orange, papaya, banana, pear
Herbal tea or water
Midafternoon snack
Raw vegetables
Dinner
Vegetable soup
1 whole wheat pita bread or 1 cup leftover brown rice
Lettuce salad-lettuce, assorted chopped vegetables
French tomato dressing
Water
Evening snack
Raw vegetables
1 fruit
Herbal tea
Day 4
Breakfast
Roman Meal or Zoom hot cereal
Herbal tea
Midmorning snack
1 fruit and/or potato or leftover rice
Lunch
Leftover vegetable soup
Special whole wheat bread or whole wheat pita bread
Raw vegetables as desired
Water
Midafternoon snack
Raw vegetables
Dinner
Vegetable curry with brown rice
Whole wheat chapati (pita bread)
Vegetable salad - lettuce and assorted raw vegetables
French tomato dressing or lemon and/or vinegar
Water
Evening snack
1 fruit
Raw vegetables
Herbal tea
Day 5
Breakfast
Zoom or Roman Meal hot cereal
Herbal tea
Midmorning snack
1 fruit and/or potato or leftover rice
Lunch
Leftover vegetable curry over baked potato, brown rice or whole
wheat pita bread. Garnish with sprouts
1 fruit
Water
Midafternoon snack
Raw vegetables
Dinner
Tamale pie
Assprted raw vegetable platter
Chili salsa for dip
Water
Evening Snack
1 fruit
raw vegetables
herbal tea
Day 6
Breakfast
Oatmeal
herbal tea
Midmorning snack
1 fruit and/or potato or leftover rice
Lunch
Leftover fried rice
Assorted raw vegetables with chili salsa for dip
1 fruit
Herbal tea or water
Midafternoon snack
Raw vegetables
Dinner
Buckwheat soba noodles
Vegetable chop suey
Frozen Oriental-style mixed vegetables (follow directions on
bag, no salt or butter)
Water
Evening snack
Assorted raw vegetables
1 fruit
herbal tea
Day 7
Breakfast
Oatmeal
Herbal tea
Midmorning snack
1 fruit and/or potato or leftover rice
Lunch
Tomato-onion soup
Whole wheat bread
Assorted raw vegetables
Water
Midafternoon snack
Raw vegetables
Dinner
Vegetable stew
Brown rice
Green salas-lettuce with assorted raw vegetables
Water
Evening snack
Raw vegetables
1 fruit
Herbal tea
Needed recipes:
Fried Rice Servings:4
Preparation Time:15 mins Cooking Time:20 mins
3 cups mixed vegetables, chopped
(ex:carrots, onions, broccoli; 1 cup each
green pepper, carrots, bean sprouts; 1 cup each
carrots, bean sprouts, green onions; 1 cup each)
1/4 cup water
2 cups cooked brown rice
1 tbsp salt-reduced tamari
1/2 tsp dry mustard
1/2 tsp ground ginger
Mix mustard and ginger with 1/4 cup water in a large soup pot.
Heat to boiling. Add vegetables and cook over medium heat until
tneder (about 10-15 minutes). Use a wok if you have one. If the
vegetables are cut in small strips they will cook faster. Add the
cooked rice; stir until heated. Add the tamari. Mix well. Continue
cooking until heated through. (1-2 minutes)
Helpful Hints: This will serve two hungry people for a fast, complete
meal. Any combination of vegetables may be used. Just keep the
pieces small so they cook quickly.
Thick French Tomato Dressing Servings: about 2 1/2 cups
Preperation time: 5 mins Cooking time: None
1 cup tomato juice
1 cup tomato sauce
1/3 cup vinegar
3/4 tsp lemon juice
1 tsp Italian herb seasoning
1 tsp low-sodium tamari
Combine all ingredients in a quart jar. Cover. Shake well.
Refrigerate before serving to blend flavors.
Helpful Hints: Italian herb seasoning is a mixture of oregano,
marjoram, thyme, savory, basil, rosemary, and sage. Usually found
made by Schilling or Spice Island. Use dressing on tossed salads
or vegetable salads. Keeps in refrigerator for several weeks.
Marinara Spaghetti Sauce Servings:4
Preparation Time: 20 mins Cooking Time: 60 mins
2 onions, chopped
4 cloves garlic, crushed
1/2 lb mushrooms, chopped
4 cups tomato sauce
2 cups canned tomatoes
2 tsp oregano
1 tsp basil
1 1/2 tbsp parsley flakes
Saute onions, garlic and mushrooms in 1/4 cup water until slightly
tender, about 10 minutes. Stir in tomato sauce, tomatoes, and spices,
breaking up tomatoes with a fork. Simmer over low heat about 1
hour, stirring occasionally. Do not cover. Serve over whole wheat
spaghetti.
Helpful Hints: May be made ahead and reheated. Freezes well.
May be cooked lnoger than 1 hour if you like sauces thicker. Also
try over whole grains, whole wheat macaroni, or whole wheat shells.
This recipe may be doubled easily for guests or to have leftovers
to greeze. Makes a good topping for baked potatoes.
Vegetable Soup Servings:8-10
Preparation time: 30 mins Cooking time: 45 mins
10 cups water
2 pototoes, cut in medium sized chunks
1/4 cup tamari, salt-reduced
1 tsp basil
1 tsp thyme
2 carrots sliced
2 onions, sliced
2 zucchini, chopped medium
2-3 tomatoes, chopped
2 cloves garlic, crushed
1/2 tsp onion powder
1 cup string beans, cut in 1 inch pieces
1 tsp oregano
1/2 tsp cumin
1/2 tsp dill weed
1 tbsp parsley flakes
Place 10 cups of water in a large pot. Add chopped vegetables.
Bring to boil. Add seasonings. Simmer over medium-low heat about
45 minutes. Variations: user 2 cups tomato juice in place of 2
cups water. About 15 minutes before end of cooking time, add cooked
grains or spaghetti noodles to pot, such as:cooked brown rice, 1
cup; barley, 1 cup; or 1 cup broken whole wheat spaghetti.
Helpful Hints: Other vegetables also may be used in addition to
or in place of the ones listed above. Try 1/2 cup fresh or frozen
peas; 1/2 cup fresh or frozen corn, 1 green pepper, chopped; sliced
leeks; sliced mushrooms; or some chopped spinach added for the last
5 minutes of cooking time.
Tomato-Onion Soup Servings: about 6 cups
Preparation Time: 30 mins Cooking time: 1 1/2 hours
2 onions, diced
2 leeks, thinly sliced (if leeks are unavailable, use one more onion)
1 garlic clove, pressed
4 cups water
8 large tomatoes, chopped
2 tbsp chopped parsley
1 tsp. thyme
1 bay leaf
1 tsp basil
1 tbsp tamari, salt-reduced
Sauted onions, leeks, and garlic in 1/2 cup water until transparent
(about 15 minutes). Add the remaining 3 1/2 cups of water, the
tomatoes, parsley, thyme, basil, and the bay leaf. Simmer, covered,
over low heat for 60 minutes. Remove cover; simmer for 30 minutes
longer. Add tamari just before serving.
Helpful Hints: This soup is great with fresh, homemade bread.
Add a green salad for an interesting meal. A large can of tomatoes
(28 ozs.) may be substituted for the fresh tomatoes.
Vegetable Curry Servings: 4-6
Preparation Time: 30 mins Cooking Time: 30 mins
2 carrots, sliced 1/4 inch thick
2 stalks celery, sliced 1/4 inch thick
2 zucchini, cut in half lengthwise, then sliced 1/2 inch thick
1 bunch broccoli, cut into stems and flowers
1 cup fresh or frozen peas
1/2 head cauliflower, broken into flowerettes
1 onion, cut in half and thinly sliced
1 1/2 tbsp curry powder
4 tbsp whole wheat flour
3 cups water
Saute the sliced onion in 1/4 cup water until tender. Add the curry
powder and the whole wheat flour. Mix well and continue to stir
for about 1 minute. Gradually add the 3 cups of water while stirring.
Cook over low heat, stirring occasionally, until sauce thickens.
Steam the carrots and celery for 5 minutes, add the broccoli and
cauliflower, and steam for 5 minutes longer. Finally, add the zucchini
and peas and continue to steam for 10 more minutes. Place steamed
vegetables in a serving bowl, pour the curry sauce over them, and
stir tho make sure the vegetables are coated with the sauce. Serve
over brown rice or bulgur wheat. Makes a good meal with whole wheat
chapatis.
Tamale Pie Servings:8
Preparation Time:45 minutes Cooking Time:45 mins
3 cups cooked pinto beans, mashed
1 onion, chopped
1 1/2 tsp chili powder
1/4 cup tomato sauce
1 cup frozen corn
1 green pepper, chopped
1-2 chopped green chilis
1 1/2 cup cornmeal
2 1/2 cup water
Place onion in a large pot with 1/4 cup water. Saute about 10 minutes,
add green pepper, corn, green chilis, tomato sauce, and chili powder.
Cook 5 minutes. Add mashed beans and cook about 10 minutes over
low heat. Remove from heat.
Combine cornmeal, water and chili powder in a saucepan. Cook over
medium heat until mixture thickens, stirring constantly with a wire
whisk or the cornmeal will lump.
Using a non-stick 8x8 pan, spread half of the cornmeal mexture over
the bottom. Pur the bean mixture over this and spread it out.
Then spread the remaining cornmeal mixture over the top.
Bake at 350 degrees for 45 minutes, or until it bubbles.
Vegetable Chop Suey Servings 6-8
Preparation Time: 45 min Cooking Time:30 mins
1/4 cup water
2 cloves garlic, crushed
2 onions, sliced
8-10 leaves Chinese cabbage, sliced
1 stalk celery, sliced
1/4 lb broccoli, sliced
1/4 lb mushrooms, sliced
1 cup snow peas
1/2 cup green onions, sliced in 1 inch pieces
1 cup mung bean sprouts
2 tbsp low sodium tamari
2 tbsp sherry
3 cups water
5-6 tbsp arrowroot or cornstarch
Put 1/4 cup water into a large pot or wok. Add crushed garlic and
heat water to boiling. Add onions, celery, cabbage, and broccoli.
Saute about 10 minutes. Add the mushrooms. Saute 5 minutes more.
Add the water, tamari, sherry, green onions, snow peas, and bean
sprouts. Bring to a boil and cook about 10 minutes. Dissolve
the arrowroot or cornstarch in a small amount of cold water. Remove
pot from heat. Gradually add arrowroot or cornstarch mixture, stirring
well. Return to heat. Stir until thickened. Serve over brown
rice, whole wheat spaghetti or buckwheat soba noodles.
Helpful Hints: Prepare rice before starting to cook vegetables.
Keep warm until serving. If you prefer noodles, have the water
boiling while vegetables are cooking. About 15 minutes before serving,
drop the noodles into the boinling water, return to boil, reduce
heat and simmer about 10 minutes.
That's it. This 7-day plan is extremely low in fat. Is animal-product
free, therefore cholesterol free. Is high in fiber and carbohydrates.
Only 7 days.....c'mon....try it! It's worth it!!
Glenn
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| 164.7 | Partial agreement, partial disagreement. | SQM::AITEL | Helllllllp Mr. Wizard! | Tue Dec 01 1987 15:31 | 47 |
| Well, I'm with you up to a point. I have managed to greatly
reduce my weight by limiting the fatty foods and sugars in
my diet, but I don't think I would be healthy on a vegetarian
diet. This is not just conjecture on my part. I was an
ovo-lacto veggie for 2 years. I really did try to balance things,
ate beans with grains and all the other good stuff, and I was eating
milk/egg products. I ended up white - totally anemic. It was not
an anemia that they could fix with iron pills, either. It went
away in about a month when I introduced fish/poultry/meat into
my diet. (I *did* see a doctor, he ran zillions of tests, he
gave me pills etc etc. He was astounded at my quick recovery.)
In addition, take a look at eskimos and northern indians. They
have very little in the way of vegetable products during a large
portion of the year. They eat "what they were meant to eat", and
they are healthy. So it's not just the animal products that are
the real culprit.
Americans tend to eat very little fish. We love the fattiest sorts
of meats, beef and pork. The FAT in the diet is almost 50% of the
calories. If you reduce the fat to 10-20 percent of the diet, and
eat more carbohydrates, you will be healthier. (this according to
most sources I've read). And you need to keep the protein within
reason.
I would ease into a plan like the McDougall plan. It is very high
in fiber, which is good, but you want to increase fiber over a period
of time or you will spend most of your time in the bathroom and
the rest of your time running there! In addition, I would modify
the plan to contain just a little more protein, with the appropriate
combinations of grain/bean, grain/nut etc (or any of those
with milk or eggs, if you want to go part-way veggie) so that you
do have all the essential aminos (the ones your body cannot
manufacture).
The plan I followed recommended 2-dairy, 2-protein, 4-veggie/fruit,
4-grain servings at minimum per day for proper nutrition. I often
scanted the dairy and added a high-calcium veggie or two. Note
the protein is not simply meat, but includes eggs, nuts, and beans.
What I found scanted in my prior diet was, amazingly enough, the
grain group, which I *had* thought was too high calorie. Now I
know better!
--Louise
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| 164.8 | | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Wed Dec 02 1987 06:26 | 22 |
| Hi Louise!
You're really hitting an interesting subject when talking about
the eskimos. Here's a group of people who eat a GREAT DEAL OF PROTEIN,
in the form of the meat that they eat (fish, whale, etc) and although
it's true that they have one of the lowest rates of heart disease
around, did you know that they have the HIGHEST RATE OF OSTEOPOROSIS
on the face of the earth?
We don't have "diseases of deficiencies" in this country. We have
"diseases of excess"! Excess calories causing obesity. Excess
fat and cholesterol causing heart disease and strokes. And excess
protein causing osteoporosis.
Regarding nuts, plant foods that are considered delicasies
are those high in fat such as nuts, seeds, and avocados; and foods
high in uprotected simple sugars; for example honey, molasses and
maple syrup. These delicacy foods are to be reserved for special
occassions and consumed ONLY BY HEALTHFUL INDIVIDUALS.
Glenn
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| 164.9 | A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE MCDOUGALL PLAN | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Wed Dec 02 1987 07:34 | 24 |
| The McDougall Plan ecourages you to adopt the diet and lifestyle
which BEST SUPPORT your natural tendencies to heal and stay healthy.
This supportive environment is based around proper foods, moderate
exercise, adequate sunshine, pure air and water, and surroundings
comfortable to your psychological wellbeing.
The primary component, the diet, is centered around a variety of
starchy plant foods such as rice, potatoes, and pastas with the
addition of fresh or frozen fruits and vegetables. Animal-derived
foods and plant products that are refined or otherwise processed
are not health-supporting and are placed in the category called
delicacies. Other plant foods that are also considered delicacies
are those high in fat such as nuts, seeds, and avocados; and foods
high in unprotected simple sugars; for example honey, molasses,
and maple syrup. These delicacy foods are to be reserved for special
occasions and consumed only be healthy individuals. There are relative
degrees of harmfulness among delicacies. No portions are recommended
for the meal plan except that a starch should provide most of the
calories. The quantity consumed each day is variable amoung
individuals and governed by our highly efficient hunger drivers.
Glenn
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| 164.10 | Can you really eat as much as you want? | CSC32::FORSMAN | | Wed Dec 02 1987 14:48 | 18 |
| Glenn,
re .1 >When eating the right foods, you eat as much as you want,
>whenever you want.
Does this mean, if we eat only the foods allowed/recommended in
the 7 Day Plan (.4), that we don't have to limit our portions?
I, too, would be interested to know if you are following this plan,
and what kind of results you have had.
So, the Mcdougall plan says no protein other than legumes, and no
dairy products?
Sounds interesting...
Ginny
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| 164.11 | Yes | BUSY::MAXMIS11 | | Thu Dec 03 1987 07:12 | 31 |
|
RE: .10
Ginny,
I can't speak for Glenn, but I have been following a similar "program"
since March. The answer to your question is an unqualified YES.
You can eat all that you want of the foods that are listed without
quantities. I have never eaten so much in my life as I have since
March, and I am 68 pounds lighter for it. It's really strange to
find that I don't have to feel guilty for snacking or big protions.
I like the idea of letting your "appistat" tell you when to stop.
When I first went on the program, this had a strange effect on me.
I would eat big protions almost as if to test the theory. I lost
weight anyhow. Then I went through a time when I would eat what
I wanted within the boundaries of the program, and then I would
avoid getting weighed because I subconciously felt as if I had been
over eating. Then I'd get on the scale after a couple of weeks
of putting off getting weighed only to find that I had dropped 3
pounds. The weight seems to stay off, too. Just recently I went
thru a phase where I was indulging in peanuts and tahini and those
foods that are termen "delecasies" much too often. I did this for
six or so weeks. Even after loosing 63 pounds and after "misbehaveing"
for six weeks, my weight gain was only 3 pounds. For me, at least,
I know I have found a real life long way of eating. I have a "healthy"
appitite, and I have found a way to eat the way my body is telling
me to, and be thin too. For me, size 10 is an eventuallity.
Marion
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| 164.12 | EAT | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Thu Dec 03 1987 07:33 | 45 |
| Ginny,
Dr. John McDougall says simply that your hunger drive is correct,
therefore, if you're hungry.....then eat! There's no problem there.
Here's a quote from page 22....
"A short study of a calorie chart will help us understand why people
on starch-centered diests stay so thin. A cup of cooked rice (150
grams) contains 178 calories, which is about 1.2 calories per gram
of rice. This is approximately 1/3 the number of calories found
in an equivalent amount of beef (3.9 calories per gram) or cheese
(4.0 calories per gram). An average active adult male burns 3,000
calories per day. To maintain his weight he would need to consume
35 potatoes or 17 cups of rice a day. Eating all those potatoes
or that much rice would be time-consuming, but certainly not an
impossible task.
In developed countries, people are overweight because they eat too
little starch. Instead, they consume mostly high-calorie fats and
oils in the form of meat, milk, cheese, nuts, seeds, and vegetable
oils. Correcting the misconception that starches are fattening
would quickly and dramatically improve the appearence and health
of people in western countries.
Foods are composed of 5 major ingredients:
1. Fats, 9 calories per gram
2. Proteins, 4 calories per gram
3. Carbohydrates, 4 calories per gram
4. Water, 0 calories per gram
5. Fiber, 0 calories per gram"
Now, with regards to me.....I'm 32, 5'10" and about 250 lbs. I
know in my mind, "intellectually" if you will, that this is the
absolute correct diet for "man". I have a terribly hard time staying
on it for anytime longer than about 1.5 weeks. Other than weight
loss, the biggest thing I notice when I'm on it is that I can run
my finger over my forehead in the afternoon and there will be NO
oil on my face whatsoever. It was incredible. So the bottom line
is that I love the diet, I believe in the diet, I try terribly hard,
but it's hard to break 30 years of eating habits and that's where
I stumble. Does that make sense? What do you think?
Glenn
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| 164.13 | but | REGAL::ACKERMAN | | Thu Dec 03 1987 13:36 | 10 |
| >>>>"your hunger drive is correct, therefore, if you're hungry.
. then eat!">>>>
Does this program make you realize that there are times when you
want to eat but you aren't really hungry? I think one of the problems
is that we don't always stop and say, "Am I really hungry? Do I
really want this?"
--Laura
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| 164.14 | | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Fri Dec 04 1987 06:46 | 6 |
| Not really Laura. That's a psychological problem. Cravings is
also, according to McDougall, a psychological issue. He says just
wait it through and it'll pass for most people.
Glenn
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| 164.15 | It really *IS* true | BUSY::MAXMIS11 | | Fri Dec 04 1987 08:30 | 33 |
|
re: .13, .14
Laura,
Glenn is right. What you are talking about is a psycholigical problem,
but I wouldn't dismiss it. As I stated before, when I first started
the program, I ate big portions and snacked almost to show that
the plan didn't work - that you couldn't really eat all you wanted.
The result was that I *did* drop the weight, inspite of the volume
I ate. That really blew my mind. Then, when I would avoid getting
weighed because I felt that I had been stuffing myself and was afraid
I'd find I had gained, I was even more blown away by the fact that
I continued to lose. I think that realization did something to
my mind. To realize that even if I eat when I am "not hungry" will
not cause me to gain weight and will probable only slow my progress
is something that is not easely assimilated by a chronicly overweight
person. I seems to me that the program causes my body to take from
the food whatever it needs, and it dumps the rest out the other
end. No kidding. That's what it feels like. It seems that the
knowledge that eating a bit more will not be self defeating has
broken the cycle of "I eat 'cause I am depressed 'cause I am fat".
So, I don't eat as much as I did when I started the program. Is
it because my body doesn't crave food because it is well nourished?
Is it because I no longer associate being fat with the volume
I eat??? I'm not sure which is the case. All I know is that I
am getting thinner every day, and I am eating in a manner that I
will have little trouble continuing for the rest of my life. Sounds
like a lifestyle change to me!
Marion (future skinny lady)
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| 164.16 | .15 continued | BUSY::MAXMIS11 | | Fri Dec 04 1987 08:55 | 24 |
| Another problem that I have always had is eating when I feel deprived,
which is what I *always* felt when I was on a diet. It was just
a matter of time befor I would feel that I had been _so_ deprived
for _so_ long, I would go off my diet and negate any progress I
had made. My feeling of being deprived was not limited to food,
though I always would compensate for the deprivation with food.
I would eat when I felt that I was not getting the [fill in the
blank] I deserved. You could fill in that blank with things like
money, respect, popularity, satisfaction, sex, recognition, love,
get the picture? Anyhow, now when I am feeling that I am not getting
the [fill in the blank] I deserve, I actually say to myself "Poor
baby. You're feeling deprived, aren't you. Well, why don't you
throw an eggplant quarter under the broyler and have a V-8 and a
rice cake". After I do that, I *do* feel better. I know that even
if I am not getting the [fill in the blank] I deserve, I have just
nurished my body with vitamins and minerals and fiber, all for around
(or perhaps under) 100 calories (this information only supplied
for those of you who count those nasty beasties ;^)). Then "poor
baby" feels better because she had done something that is genuinely
good for her!
Marion (aka "poor baby")
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| 164.17 | Book on McDougal diet? | BIGMAC::HEMBERT | | Mon Dec 07 1987 08:20 | 6 |
| I'd like to learn more about this McDougal diet. Is there a book
that treats the subject in detail? Has anyone the title/editor?
Fransou
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| 164.18 | Books... | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Mon Dec 07 1987 09:10 | 24 |
| Fransou,
There are actually 4 books on the McDougall diet. Dr John McDougall
and his wife, Mary, wrote all 4.
1. The McDougall Plan - (the basics to his "health-supporting"
diet and lifestyle)
2. McDougall Medicine - A Challenging Second Opinion (pretty
much the same information as the
McDougall Plan, but broken up as per
disease. If you have this disease,
this is how you got it and this is
how you get rid of it.)
3. McDougall Health Supporting Cookbook I - (about 250 recipes
that are "health supporting".
4. McDougall Health Supporting Cookbook II- (more recipes)
They're all excellent books. The publisher is New Century.
Glenn
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| 164.19 | Ooops. | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Mon Dec 07 1987 09:12 | 24 |
|
I was told that I didn't include the recipe for Split Peas on Toast,
so I will do that now.
Split Peas on Toast Servings:6
Preparation Time:20 mins Cooking Time: 1hr.
4 cups water
1 onion, chopped
1 potato, scrubbed (not peeled) and chopped
1 cup dry yellow split peas
1 carrot, grated
1 tsp. basil
1/4 tsp dill
Bring water to boil in large saucepan. Add the onion, potato, and
split peas. Simmer for 45 minutes. Add grated carrot and basil.
Simmer for 15 minutes. Serve over toasted whole grain bread.
Helpful hinst: Also may be made with green split peas. Good over
waffles or cooked whole grains.
Glenn
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| 164.20 | frozen foods | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Mon Dec 07 1987 09:25 | 15 |
| FYI
McDougall Frozen Foods are now in the Hawaiian markets. They've
developed 5 frozen foods. Each 22 ounce package contains low-sodium,
low-fat, high-fiber, high-carbohydrates and no-cholesterol. Choices
are: spaghetti sauce w/ noodles, curried begetables with 5 grain
brown rice, cajun sauce with 5 grain rice, sweet and spicy stew
with brown rice and chili with brown rice. The package serves 2
and sells for less than $5.00 in Hawaii. The price will drop to
under $4.00 when the product hits the mainland.
Glenn
Glenn
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| 164.21 | reality | SRFSUP::GOLDSTEIN | Don Goldstein | Thu Dec 10 1987 17:27 | 13 |
|
Boy oh boy, this note is getting real technical. I am boldly going
to assume that most people know the basic difference between good
and bad eating habits. It is obvious that almost everone who is
overweight is that way because of poor eating habits. But, my point
is that breaking these bad habits is very, very difficult to do.
I think that this is more along the lines of what this conference
is suppose to be about than chemical breakdowns of the healthiest
diet on the planet. All of us would love to follow such a diet
but that is hard to do.
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| 164.22 | disagree. | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Fri Dec 11 1987 14:42 | 11 |
| Don,
I wasn't aware that there were guidelines of what this conference is
supposed to be about. But, I put to you that you have missed something
here. I believe that there are no such thing as poor or good eating
habits, but rather the only factor of note is WHAT you eat. If
you eat what you should, then good or poor eating habits aside,
you'll be relatively healthy and NOT OVERWEIGHT!
Glenn
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| 164.23 | | NCCODE::COLMAN | Cathy Colman | Wed Dec 30 1987 08:48 | 18 |
|
By am I glad I found this note. I reread "Fit or Fat" this weekend
which referenced the Pritikin diet, I checkd my stash of diet books,
and yes I had it, so I read it.. This is my plan for 1988! I am
glad to hear of the McDOugall plan because I am trying to eat as
much vegetearioan based meals as possible.
I'm off to find the McDougal cook books tonight!
I am also including the exercis suggested by Pritikin and many others.
I would be interested in how much execise Marion has included in
her schedule with this type of diet and how little fats she is
including in her diet? And anyone else who is following this type
of eating style!
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| 164.24 | moderate | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | | Mon Jan 04 1988 13:57 | 17 |
| Cathy,
McDougall says moderate exercise....the exact quote is:
"The McDougall Plan encourages you to adopt the diet and lifestyle
which best supports your natural tendencies to heal and stay healthy.
This supportive environment is based around proper foods, moderate
exercies, adequate sunshine, pure air and water, and surroundings
comfortable to you psychological well being."
I take that as meaning a bike ride, playing with the kids, but not
necessarily a rigid exercise program.
Glenn
Does that help?
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| 164.25 | THIS *REALLY* WORKS ! | VAXUUM::MUISE | | Thu Mar 03 1988 07:14 | 38 |
| After reading this note, I began my own version of this diet.
I basically became a vegetarian for the past 5 weeks for the first
time in my life. I ate all the carbohydrates I wanted (whole
grain when I could), all the fruit and vegetables I wanted, ate
no meat, fish, chicken; and used cheddar cheese as a very
occasional treat.
I should mention that I am not highly overweight. I was a few pounds
overweight, and then 6 months ago stopped smoking and put on another
10. But I am a small woman, and the extra 12-15 pounds looked like
more. I tried everything to lose the weight, but it's true what
they say about smoking affecting your metabolism. I literally could
not lose even one pound.
This is the first diet that has worked!! It took a while. I saw
no real results the first 3 weeks, tho I was very conciencious.
Then suddenly each morning I seemed thinner for the past 2 weeks,
and I am still losing !
I actually enjoy this diet. I adore carbohydrates, and rediscovered
fruits and vegetables as very versatile "meals". I ate spaghetti
with sauteed vegies, potatoes, rice, breads, rolls, fruit salads,
natural applesauce, etc. etc. I was never hungry and quite
satisfied. I had no sweets, and very little oil (and made sure
it was polyunsaturated). I am now incorporating an occasional egg,
maybe chicken once a week, and will have some fish soon. But
I can hold off on the red meat. I never thought I could, but it's
interesting to learn how easily red meat can be replaced.
I have more energy than ever before and feel great !
Thanks for the information... it worked well for me.
jacki
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| 164.26 | make meat a side-dish, not the main course | HPSCAD::WHITMAN | Acid rain burns my BASS | Thu Mar 03 1988 10:43 | 24 |
| re .25
I was looking through the introduction to a Chinese cookbook I bought a
couple weeks ago. It said that unlike the West where the main course is meat
around which we place vegetables as a dressing, the Chinese main course is rice
around which there is a dressing of meats and veggies. The idea here is one
of quantity. Partially directed by dietary goals, partially out of boredom with
standard meat and potatoes fare, we have gone off on a Chinese cuisine kick.
Stir-fry everything, my wife hates white rice so we do fried-rice a lot lately.
One of the things we have discovered is that meat goes ALOT farther. When we
eat sirloin steak as the main course, it's 1/2 - 3/4 lb per person. When we
add beef as a 'dressing' to a Chinese dish (whose name escapes me) a 1/2 lb
feeds all three of us. Regarding the beef, that can be translated into 1/3 the
cost (or more if you use a cheaper cut of beef) and more importantly 1/3 the
calories and 1/3 the cholesterol.
Getting back to the subject of this topic, although I'm not ready to
go full vegetarian with the Pritikin/Mcdougal diet, I find a shift from the
meal revolving around the meat dish, to having the meat an ingredient of the
main course to be interesting, better from a caloric view point, and perhaps
healthier than the traditional meat and potatoes meal I grew up on...
Al
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| 164.27 | Taco Salad! | RSTS32::KASPER | c = (pascal - training_wheels) | Thu Mar 03 1988 11:58 | 17 |
|
Another fun way to use meat as a "side dish " (actually more like a
condiment) is to make taco salad.
The ground turkey available in the freezer case is less expensive than
beef (under $1/pound), loses less fat in cooking, and is lower in
cholesterol. I make a pound of that into taco meat using a mix
(McCormick/Schilling is good), or picante sauce and Mexican seasonings.
Throw 1-2 oz of that on a big bowl of lettuce, tomato, and onion,
garnish with 1/2 oz cheese, 1 oz nacho chips, and more picante sauce.
Filling and yummy -- and that 1 lb of turkey will make 8-10 servings!
Bev
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| 164.28 | Ground Turkey | STAR::YANKOWSKAS | Who's bad? | Thu Mar 03 1988 12:27 | 12 |
| re .27:
This is perhaps getting a little off the original topic, but I'll
second Bev's recommendation on the ground turkey. My wife and I
use it in a number of dishes (such as meatloaf, American chop suey,
spaghetti sauce) the same way we had been using hamburger. Besides
the health benefits Bev mentioned, it gives these dishes a less
heavy flavor that I enjoy.
Paul
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| 164.29 | Help - I'm interested! | VAXWRK::LESHIN | | Mon Apr 25 1988 07:14 | 33 |
| Hi, my name is Sandi and I work in PKO2 in Maynard. I have been on lots of
diets and always end up a few pounds heavier after I stop dieting. As I'm
sure most people can identify with, I'm sick of dieting and failing. After
I read these notes on the McDougall plan, I decided to go out and get the
book.
I now have the book and have read it once. I'm interested in hearing about
modifications to the diet (as in 164.25) and I'm also interested in knowing
if the people who wrote about it in 1987 are still losing today. I really
do believe that this may be the way for me to go. I love fresh fruit and
vegetables and good, whole grain bread has always been a treat.
Help!!!!!!
Thanks - Sandi
< Note 164.28 by STAR::YANKOWSKAS "Who's bad?" >
-< Ground Turkey >-
re .27:
This is perhaps getting a little off the original topic, but I'll
second Bev's recommendation on the ground turkey. My wife and I
use it in a number of dishes (such as meatloaf, American chop suey,
spaghetti sauce) the same way we had been using hamburger. Besides
the health benefits Bev mentioned, it gives these dishes a less
heavy flavor that I enjoy.
Paul
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| 164.30 | I can't find the books in the UK | IPG::BAGGOTT | | Wed Apr 27 1988 15:00 | 22 |
| Help!
I'm in the UK and CANNOT find any of the relevant books. I've tried
all the bookstores and health-food stores in Reading, with no success.
I really do feel that this will be the best eating style for me.
I can often manage Monday to Friday more-or-less on the plan, but
the weekends and catering for the family....
I would really like to get hold of the books - I do find that being
able to read the philosphies/evidence behind diet recommendations
helps my motivation.
Has anyone any spare copies? I keep hoping for a trip to the US,
but there isn't one on the horizon. If anyone could buy me the books,
and I could repay a colleague on a trip to Reading..? Any ideas,
please?
Thanks,
Clare
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| 164.31 | have you tried to mailorder books? | HPSCAD::WHITMAN | Acid rain burns my BASS | Thu Apr 28 1988 06:49 | 12 |
| re .30
Clare,
Checkout BARNUM::CATALOGS for references as to where you might be able
to mailorder the books you want. I know the moderator of that conference has
2 or three catalogs (or addresses anyway) that may help you locate the books
you want.
Al
P.S. type KP7 to add BARNUM::CATALOGS to your notebook
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| 164.32 | I'LL GET 'EM FOR YE! | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | Touch not the cat, bot the glove! | Fri Apr 29 1988 13:40 | 9 |
| Clare,
If you can't find the books in this other notes file, I'll be happy
to purchase the books for you and send them to you, provided you
work out the necessary exchange rate and reimburse me. How's that
sound to you?
Glenn
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| 164.33 | I knew I could rely on you | IPG::BAGGOTT | | Fri Apr 29 1988 16:33 | 16 |
| Thanks Glenn,
As one of the main champions of the cause, I thought I'd be able
to rely on you!! Where are you located? My best bet will be to
find someone coming out to your area to give you dollars - unless
your bank will accept sterling bank cheques.
And then will you be prepared to act as translator from American
English to UK English? I've always been able to cope with an English
purse being an American wallet/pocketbook while an American purse
is an English handbag, but I still don't know what "beets" are -
are they beetroot, spring greens, or what?
Perhaps we need to start an internationalisation note......
Clare
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| 164.34 | | ANGORA::ZARLENGA | Give me liberty or give me debts | Sat Apr 30 1988 10:34 | 16 |
| Before you start one of these diets, it's in your own best
interests to see a nutritionist or doctor.
Both The Pritikin Diet and The McDougall Plan advocate diets
which are radically different that the typical American diet.
If not followed correctly, they can be dangerous to your long-term
health. If followed correctly, they may still cause problems in
otherwise healthy people (but then the typical American diet can
too).
In either case, a good nutritionist can make you aware all the
potential problems, from energy level to meal complexity to vitamin
and mineral deficiency.
-mike z
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| 164.35 | NOT so different from most of the world. | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | Touch not the cat, bot the glove! | Mon May 02 1988 13:12 | 14 |
| Mike. McDougall's diet may be "radically different" from the typical
American diet, but then the typical American diet of high fat, high
protein, low fiber, low carbohydrate, etc., is pretty different
from for the diets of most of the world. McDougall's diet, while
it's different from the American diet, is NOT so different from
other diets around the world. Many cultures are on a starch diet.
In any event, McDougall has a chapter "Getting Started on Your
Health-Supporting Diet" in which he discusses all the changes your
body will go through when you start eating right, and why, how and
what if, about them.
Glenn
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| 164.36 | | ANGORA::ZARLENGA | Give me liberty or give me debts | Mon May 02 1988 18:19 | 20 |
|
.35> In any event, McDougall has a chapter "Getting Started on Your
.35> Health-Supporting Diet" in which he discusses all the changes your
.35> body will go through when you start eating right, and why, how and
.35> what if, about them.
I've read the book, that's chapter 15. First, I don't believe
that many people will get through chapter 15 before starting the
diet. Second, he doesn't cover all the changes, especially long-term
iron or vitamin deficiency, and his treatment of some potentially
serious side effects (excessive urination for one) may give people
a false sense of security.
It's not that the diet is unsound. But it is more difficult
to follow in today's society than the typical diet, or even Weight
Watcher's. Not following the diet as laid out can cause the dieter
problems since there is little redundancy of nutrients.
-mike z
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| 164.37 | Health Supporting Diet | VAXWRK::LESHIN | | Tue May 03 1988 09:14 | 22 |
| I walked in on the middle of a program last night. It was about athletes
and their diets. There were several doctors and coaches talking about
proper diet and how it plays a part in being a more energetic athlete and
having your body work better for you.
The diet (or lifestyle) they recommended was very similar to the McDougall
Plan. Plenty of carbohydrates, fresh fruit and vegetables. The only
difference was the inclusion of fish and chicken to get some of the
vitamins and minerals that you won't get with just the whole grains, fruit
and vegetables.
A football coach said that people talk about building up their bodies and
other people talk about losing weight. He said that the diet is the same
for both - simple as that!
It did bring everything together for me since I had been reading the
McDougall Plan and wanting to research the topic further before embarking
on a new lifestyle. Looks like I've found the way for me. I hope it I can
stick to it and give it a chance to work.
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| 164.38 | | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | Touch not the cat, bot the glove! | Tue May 03 1988 10:36 | 4 |
| I don't believe you'll be sorry.
Glenn
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| 164.39 | | ARGUS::CORWIN | I don't care if I AM a lemming | Tue May 03 1988 10:56 | 8 |
| re .37
The show was Bodywatch, on PBS; I saw it (as a planned viewing) Saturday night.
I don't remember what's on this coming Saturday, but I think it is also food
related.
Jill
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| 164.40 | "INQUIRING MINDS WANT TO KNOW" | TFH::LAPOINTE | | Wed May 04 1988 08:16 | 7 |
| SANDY IN REPLY .29 ASKED A GOOD QUESTION AND I HAVEN'T SEEN AN ANSWER
TO AS YET. I BELIEVE IT WAS MARION AND GLEN THAT HAD STARTED ON
THIS DIET PLAN LAST YEAR. HOW ARE YOU DOING TODAY???
ROBIN
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| 164.41 | | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | Touch not the cat, bot the glove! | Wed May 04 1988 10:47 | 6 |
|
I've dropped 17 pounds in the passed 2 months. My cholesterol level
is 160 and my BP is 117/79.
Glenn
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| 164.42 | any good diet will work | ANGORA::ZARLENGA | Give me liberty or give me debts | Wed May 04 1988 11:14 | 10 |
|
.41> I've dropped 17 pounds in the passed 2 months. My cholesterol level
.41> is 160 and my BP is 117/79.
I have similar results from a modified Weight Watcher's diet.
I've lost 18 lbs over a 10 week period.
-mike z
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| 164.43 | Pritikan vs McDougall | TFH::LAPOINTE | | Wed May 04 1988 11:31 | 13 |
| HI GLEN,
Could you define the differences in the two plans? It sounds to
me that Pritikan method is meatless, and the McDougall has some
forms of meat. I am on my way to buying one of two programs today
and I would like to start with the one the is most like what I would
like to do. I don't eat alot of beef mostly poulty and fish and
in being single I eat out alot. So I would like to make this as
simple as possible so that I can make it a way of life.
Heres to a healthier me!!
Robin
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| 164.44 | here you go | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | Touch not the cat, bot the glove! | Wed May 04 1988 12:34 | 37 |
| Robin,
I'm not NEARLY as well versed on the Pritikin diet as I am on the
McDougall Plan, but I'll tell you what I know.
Nathan Pritikin had severe heart problems and swore to a new diet.
He had severe plaque in his veins. (Caused by cholesterol, which
is ONLY present in animal products.) Anyway, later on down the
road when Pritikin died, an autopsy was performed that showed that
his veins were like that of a 20 year old. There was NO plaque
in his veins, but there still were scars from where the plaque had
been. This tells me that general atherosclerosis is REVERSIBLE.
(Which isn't too surprising since the body does heal itself.)
Pritikin wrote the forward in the book "the McDougall Plan".
My understanding is that Pritikin allows you to consume up to 3
ounces of meat per day, if you're relatively healthy. Some others
may know Pritikin better than I. McDougall, conversly, says no
meat PERIOD. McDougall does NOT differentiate between red meat,
white meat, shell fish, fish, etc., because he says that it is all
muscle and if you look these up in a nutritional handbook then you'll
find that they are relatively high in cholesterol, high in fat, high
in protein, have zero fiber, zero carbohydrates, all the wrong things,
so don't eat it. Now McDougall does hedge abit. He said that these
items are DELICACIES, and should be put into a category of treats
and eaten only on special occassions 4 or 5 times a YEAR only.
McDougall does not count calories. He doesn't care about calories.
If you eat the right foods, which is a starch-based diet (rice,
pasta, potatoes), with side dishes of fruits and vegetables.
I can go on, but you need to read note 200 and 202 (I think).
Let me know if you have more questions.
Glenn
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| 164.45 | 164, 198, 200, 239 | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | Touch not the cat, bot the glove! | Wed May 04 1988 12:41 | 8 |
|
Robin.
Notes 164, 198, 200 and 239 all deal with the McDougall plan in
various forms. They're all pretty informative.
Glenn
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| 164.46 | er | TFH::LAPOINTE | | Wed May 04 1988 14:09 | 11 |
| Thanks Glen,
Well I'm on my way to the book store. I have a feeling that
this is the way to go. It doesn't sound to different from the way
I try to eat now. It will help me to get it straight and to help
me to do it right. Thanks again!!!!! I'll let you know how I'm
doing.
Robin
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| 164.47 | Pritikin is no picnic! | ANGORA::ZARLENGA | Give me liberty or give me debts | Wed May 04 1988 20:02 | 36 |
| .43> Nathan Pritikin had severe heart problems and swore to a new diet.
.43> He had severe plaque in his veins. (Caused by cholesterol, which
.43> is ONLY present in animal products.)
Point 1: He certainly had heart problems, but the condition of
his arteries was never diagnosed, only assumed.
Point 2: A low cholesterol diet does not guarantee plaque-free
arteries since the human body manufactures cholesterol as needed.
Exercise is still the best way to reduce blood serum cholesterol,
and the only proven way to reduce it long-term.
The main problem with the Pritikin Diet is the extremely low
fat content. When I worked with the staff of the Atrium cardio-
fitness center in Providence, RI, nearly 90% of the patients had
trouble sticking to Pritikin due to hunger. They stopped advocating
this diet and went on to hire a nutritionist to customize a sensible
diet on an individual basis. The dropout rate was at 20% last summer,
way down from 90%.
My Pritikin book, unfortunately is still at the Atrium so I
can't get into specifics, but this is a diet for people whose
present health makes a normal diet unsafe. McDougall is much less
radical and doesn't produce the satiety problems characteristic
of the Pritikin diet.
.43> find that they are relatively high in cholesterol, high in fat, high
.43> in protein, have zero fiber, zero carbohydrates, all the wrong things,
.43> so don't eat it.
Just within the last 3 months, the cholesterol content of shellfish
has been recalculated. Shellfish has come out low in cholesterol and high
in omega-3 fish oils, which appear to reduce serum cholesterol.
-mike z
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| 164.48 | Bran muffins | TFH::LAPOINTE | | Mon May 23 1988 08:27 | 15 |
| Well I've been at this now for a week now and I feel great. I'm
never starving type hungry, but when I am hungry I have somethin
real to eat. I will weight myself on Wed. and let you know how
it is working already though over the weekend people have said I
look better and I haven't told anyone that I was even trying again.
The only thing I really miss are my bran muffins. I have got a
reciepe for a corn muffin and it's good, but I miss the others.
The recipes I have are not within the guide lines of real eating(thats
what I have come to call this healthy form of eating. No more dieting
for this kid) Does anyone have one that they would share with me??
Robin
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| 164.49 | Here you go. | CSC32::G_MCINTOSH | Touch not the cat, bot the glove! | Mon May 23 1988 18:57 | 28 |
| Hi Robin.
Chunky Apple Spice Muffins
**************************
1 cup whole wheat flour
1 cup oat bran (or another cup of w.w. flour)
2 tsp baking powder
1/2 tsp allspice
2 tsp cinnamon
1/4 tsp ground cloves
1/4 tsp powdered ginger
1 tsp arrowroot
1/4 cup honey
1/2 cup applesauce
2 tart apples, peeled, cut in small dice
1/2 cup water
1/2 tsp vanilla
Mix dry ingredients and wet ingredients seperately. Combine them
and mix thoroughly. Spoon into non-stick muffin tins. Bake at
400 degrees for about 25 minutes.
This should satisfy your desire for bran muffings. Enjoy REAL EATING.
I'm thrilled for you!
Glenn
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| 164.50 | | RAVEN1::D_PAINE | | Tue May 31 1988 10:48 | 11 |
| I'm CURIOUS...what is wrong with bran muffins? I am not too familiar
with this plan...
Dee Dee
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| 164.51 | It's not the muffin it's in the making | TFH::LAPOINTE | | Wed Jun 01 1988 13:51 | 20 |
| Wellcome Dee Dee,
There isn't anything wrong with the ones you make yourself and
you have control over. It was the ones I WAS buying from donut
shops and a local coffee shop. I didn't know what they were made
with. I am sure that they may have bleached flour in them and sugar
to make them sweet. I don't use either one of these things anymore
this plan promotes the use of whole wheat flour and things like
apple juice of honey to sweeten things.........funny thing I had
to look in the dictionary to make sure I spelled sweeten corectly
and it says "3. To make bearable." anyway....somewhere back
in the begining of this note there is a more detailed explanation
of the plan.
Wellcome again.......
by the way I'm dead set on getting those last 20 pounds off myself!!
Heres to us!!!!!!!
Robin
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| 164.52 | Is anyone still out there? | AYOU48::VRANKIN | | Thu Aug 10 1989 07:39 | 17 |
| Okay, so here we all are yet another year down the road.
Can the people who were so hyped up last year about the diet plan
please reply with how thay feel NOW. What success rate did/do thay
have? I've been on many a diet over the years and do agree that
a diet of mainly veggies/fruit with an occasional splash of meat
works the best for me. But when I was at my heaviest (230) and
determined to shed the pounds, I found that the
determination/motivation (once started) was enough to keep me eating
healthy, not any particular diet plan.
FYI, I currently weight in at 155 lbs, but CONSTANTLY watch
what I eat because I KNOW the pounds will come back if I don't.
Vivian
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