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118.0. "Officer or Bust" by PEKING::BECKC (Whats up Doc) Mon Sep 10 1990 16:05

    Hi All,
    
    Sorry I've been abit quite lately, but I've been busy (Bullll)
    
    I'm after some info:-
    
    I'm fed up with listening to the twaddle that most of the Officers
    produce, and I think I can produce better quality Twaddle....
    
    So, I've decided to apply for my Commission to 2nd Lieutenant DUSTIE
    BECK in a couple of months time.
    
    I will be asked to attend the DAB (District Assessment Board) for a
    hard slog of a weekend, but I would like a sneaky insight as to what
    they are going to do to me.
    
    Tips and hints gratefully received.
    
    Dustie
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118.1Hopefully of some benefit.KAOA01::LAPLANTEMon Sep 10 1990 16:4948
    
    Although I am sure Assessment Boards vary from country to country,
    Canada is pretty much the same as the UK I would imagine. When I
    was sitting as an assessor or tutoring prospective officer candidates
    we were always interested in the following areas.
    
    Current affairs.  Be up to date on the military situation as it
    pertains to the country, the reserves and your unit in particular.
    Have a good idea of what other countries are doing.
    
    Politics.  Have a good idea of the current world political situation
    and its impact on the country and the military.
    
    History.  Have a few role models and the reasons why. Be able to
    compare some historical situation/era to current events.
    
    Future.  Be prepared with some ideas as to your personal future,
    that of the regiment, etc. 
    
    Some does and don'ts.
    
    Be self assured but not cocky.  Don't be wishy-washy in your answers.
    
    If you don't think your opinion is 'politically correct' give it
    anyway but be prepared to defend it.  After all officers should
    be able to think for themselves.
    
    Don't hem and haw. If you don't know the answer say so, and you
    won't know them all.
    
    Be prepared to answer 'Why do you want to become an officer?'
    
    Think of some possible scenario type questions and possible answers.
    We always included some such as 'You are in command of a mixed
    male/female platoon. A patrol is needed and the potential leader
    can be either a male or female. (Some qualifiers would be given)
    Who should lead the patrol and why?'
    
    Above all remember the board is not there to fail you. The candidate
    was always given the benefit of the doubt. Training and experience
    will be the final determiner of qualification. All the board can
    do is assess potential according to their experience. 
    
    Also remember they all went through it once as well.
    
    Best of luck and keep us informed.
    
    Roger
118.2PEKING::NASHDWake me up when it's bedtime..Mon Sep 10 1990 17:2114
    I remember when I applied for a commision in the RAF being asked
    numerous questions about the state of the world at that time amongst
    other topics. There were also questions on my opinions and why I I felt
    the way I did. 
    
    It was suggested I read a book about etiquette as well, and I'm being 
    serious. Then there was appearance, etc. nowadays it's called body
    language.  There were comments about controlled responses in stressful
    situations somewhere along the line.
    
    Did I make it? Nope I pulled out to join DEC instead.
    
	Good luck,
    Dave
118.3CANON::DAISYWed Sep 12 1990 15:1312
    Dustie,
    
    I've been before a board in the past and I agree with both .1 and .2.
    I'd like to add that making eye contact with the board members as you
    are speaking is important.  The board I went before placed a high
    degree of emphasis on that.
    
    Jane
    
    
    
    
118.4PEKING::NASHDWake me up when it's bedtime..Wed Sep 12 1990 19:059
    Yes, Jane now I recall that I moved my neck to look at the person I was
    talking to or listening to and the rest of me I tried to keep as still
    as I could! 
    
    Talking clearly and concisely is also encouraged.
    
    As for some of the mental and physical tests....
    
    Dave
118.5This worksAKOV12::LORENTZENThu Sep 13 1990 16:5213
    Here is another small tip which can help.  Everyone likes to be
    referred to by their name, it makes them feel that you consider 
    them important enough to remember it.  Since most board members
    are people (there are a few exceptions 8-) ) it wouldn't hurt to
    find out in advance who is on the board, memorize their names and
    use them when responding.  You can't always reliably read name tags
    so it's best to go in prpared.  Then, when a question is asked, you
    can say something like, "I'm glad you asked that, Major so-and-so,
    ----- ."  It gets people on your side.
    
    Break a leg, Dustie.
    
    Len
118.6Do's and Don'tsAKOV12::LORENTZENThu Sep 13 1990 18:5039
    More tips on boards.
    
    Do arrive at the appointed place early.  Usually several people are
    scheduled and the timing of each can vary.  If you are there and the
    board finishes with the preceeding candidate a bit early you can get
    right on in.
    
    Don't socialize much with anyone else who might be waiting.  Focus on
    what you are going to do and say when your turn comes up.
    
    Don't wear anything that isn't part of your issued uniform.  I was on
    a military board where a candidate came in wearing blousing rubbers to
    make his pants legs look neater.  Not issued, not allowed, not passed.
    
    Do wear all ribbons, awards, decorations in the right place and
    sequence.  Be prepared to discuss each and why you have them.
    
    Don't smoke or chew gum in front of the board, even if someone says it's 
    OK.
    
    Don't relax too much.  Most of the time someone on the board will
    tell a candidate to relax because it is normal to be nervous.  This
    does not mean to slouch back, unbutton your coat and cross your legs!
    
    Do report properly when entering.  
    
    Do be prepared to make a closing statement.  Explaining what a 
    privilege it is to be there usually goes over pretty well!  
    
    Do thank the board for their time and consideration.
    
    Lastly, Don't let your natural nervousness paralyze you.  Use the
    energy to make you sharp and eager.  In fact, displaying a bit of
    nervousness conveys that you think the board is important and that
    it means a lot to you that you do well.  
    
    Again, good luck,
    
    Len
118.7Some more thoughtsKAOA01::LAPLANTEFri Sep 14 1990 14:0327
    
    Len's suggestion of getting to know who will be on your board is
    good.  
    
    It would also allow you to talk to other officers who might have
    had some of the same people sit on their boards and you could get
    an idea as to the type of question they ask. I remember that one
    of my district commanders would always ask a question about his
    personal hero. Any candidate who even recognized the hero automatically
    received marks; the more you knew the more you got.
    
    The board is like a test and you can study for it. In this case
    it is finding out who the members are and what they might be interested
    in.
    
    If your board is like ours, one of your unit officers will be a
    member. You should be able to find out from him/her what areas his
    questions will be in. Don't expect to get the exact questions but
    at least the area so that you can do some homework if required.
    
    God, it's been so long but I can still remember the butterflies
    and the relief when it was over. Better still was the trip on the
    way back to the unit when the unit officer unofficially told me
    I had been accepted.  Luck has been wished, but luck has nothing
    to do with it. Go for it.
    
    Roger
118.8BRABAM::PHILPOTTCol I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' PhilpottThu Sep 27 1990 11:2816
Well I wish you luck...

I remember my interview board: my father's old CO was the chairman...

I doubt you'll be that lucky, but all the best.

I have only two pieces of advice: 

1) Go to bed early the previous night.

2) Carry your shoes to the venue and put them on when you're there - it'll avoid
getting them dirty.

On more serious levels, I am sure you are ready and capable of sailing through.

/. Ian .\
118.9The great day is dawning.PEKING::BECKCWhats up DocTue Oct 23 1990 15:2616
    
    Thanks a lot for all the advice, I've spoken to the Adj and hes setting
    me up for the first board in December.
    
    Already my stomach is churning at the thought.
    
    My Adj has agreed to sponsor me and he's told me that he wouldn't be
    putting me forward if I didn't stand a chance, so thats something to
    work.
    
    Anyway, I will let you know when the great day arrives, and hopefully
    will be letting you know afterwards that I've passed.
    
    Fingers, toes, and Knees crossed.
    
    Dustie
118.10Dusty MaamMCGRUE::FRENCHSSemper in excernereThu Apr 04 1991 17:293
So how did it go.

Simon.
118.11DUCK::NASHDThu Apr 04 1991 17:499
    
    Simon,
    
    Chrissie resigned in January because of the attitude of her Senior NCO's,,
    particularly the CSMs'.
    
    Dave
    
    
118.12Oh DearMCGRUE::FRENCHSSemper in excernereFri Apr 05 1991 09:453
What a shame, couldn't Chrissie have transfered.

Simon
118.13I'm afraid I busted out.....CRISPY::BECKCWhats up DocMon Apr 22 1991 13:3213
    
    Sorry to disappointment you peeps, but I didn't take it in the end, as
    I was messed around so much by my CSM, all I wanted was some time off
    to get things in real work world sorted out, and he refused and
    questioned my committment, so I basically told him to shove it....
    
    I haven't regretted it ....yet, although my CO did say that if I
    changed my mind then I was to contact him and he would get me through
    the DAB and onto Sandhurst, missing out the Cr*p at the beginning.
    
    So I'll think about it.
    
    TTFN
118.14DUCK::NASHDMon Apr 22 1991 14:5314
    Chrissie,
    
    Just a point, why didn't the CO over-rule the CSM and give you say, six
    months leave? Then after another few months in the ranks put you in 
    for your commission. 
    
    Why not come and join the RAuxAF? I've had several periods of absence
    because of domestic problems with no problem. I admit it does your
    promotion prospects no good but there are still enjoyable times.
    
    Dave
    
    
    
118.15Do I or Don't I that is the question?CRISPY::BECKCWhats up DocTue Jul 23 1991 16:5918
    Dave,
    
    I have seriously considered going back into something because I do miss
    the shooting weekends and getting involved in the medical bits and
    pieces, but there is no way that I would ever go back to Brock Brrks, D
    Coy or even HQ Coy.
    
    I did decide at one point to go back and get my commission, but  I
    don't know.  
    
    I might contact you, to find out more about taking a commission for
    RAuxAF, but at the moment its just a thought.
    
    I must admit I am starting to miss it.   Just a little bit.
    
    Bye
    
    Dustie