Conference repair::reserve_forces

    
    	Digital is very reasonable on this subject, allowing you 30
    days paid leave for TA training. All you have to do is provide
    proof of attendance (joining instructions, or a letter from your
    unit)
    					Steve..
    

    Re .1:
    
    30 days paid leave for Annual Training? Hey, not a bad deal....here
    in the US, DEC will let you go on annual training for 30 days but
    they will only pay you the difference between your military pay
    and your DEC pay for two weeks.
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR

    
    RE .1 and .2
    
    And in Canada you get 'reasonable' leave of absence without pay
    for military training.
    
    I always lost  money when I went on course or attended annual training.

    Roger

    
    
    Any comments from the Officer community about TA Officer benefits
    to Digital etc
    
    
    
    John
    

    	I THINK IT ALL DEPENDS ON YOUR MANAGERS...THE FIRST TIME I WENT
    WITH THE ROYAL NAVAL RESERVE THEY GOT THE BOOKS OUT ETC,BUT NOW IT IS A
    CASE OF OK OFF YOU GO.
    	IF YOU LET THEM KNOW WHAT SORT OF TRAINING YOU DO,THE
    RESPONSIBILITIES YOU FACE AND THE MAN MANAGEMENT SIDE (IE THE
    DIVISIONAL OFFICER) THEN THEY DO SEEM TO SEE THE BENEFITS.TROUBLE IS
    YOU THEN GO AND SPOIL IT BY MENTIONING THE SEXCLUBS,BOOZY NIGHTS ETC
    
    PS..ANYONE ELSE IN THE RNR APART FROM ED LAWSON AND MYSELF?
    

    For the record, in the US:
    
    	The "Orange Book", Section 4.17, covers this.  It is essentially
    	the way Mark described it earlier.  In reading the Policy, there
    	are no words like "guidline", "suggested", "recommended", etc.  It
    	seems fairly cut-and-dry, the Manager/Supervisor has very little
    	lattitude.  However, in actual practice................
    
    Is there a similar Policy outside the US?  If so, what does it say?  Do
    most folks find that it is strictly or loosely enforced?
    
    	Bill Tarmey

    In the past, my managers have "swayed" from the "by the book" rules.
    Now that I am in a new district with a new manager...???????
    
    
    
    

    I've never really had to push it, but I get the feeling nobody
    would mind if it was legit and didn't stretch things too far.

    ? about the orange book. I'm familiar with it, but has it been updated?
    According to some of my friends "in the know", the FEDERAL GOV recently
    changed their policy about the minimum time an employeer must give the
    employee. I haven't seen anything in writting from either the military
    or DEC. Is this rumor just wishful thinking?
    
    Randolph (Randy) Schwartz
    to our friends in the TA, yes that is my nick-name, no my parents 
    didn't HATE me (I think anyway), and yes I know what it means in
    the UK.

    re .9
    The applicable section of the PP&P is 4.17. Leave for initial
    active duty training or activation in a national emergenct is
    covered in 4.23.
    
    As to your question about the length of time, the wording is
    "Employees who attend required military reserve training for
    longer than two weeks in a calendar year are granted additional
    time off without pay". The two week period covers the 'difference
    pay'. Please note that the government cannot require employers
    to compensate the reservist. They can only require them to give
    them the time off without penalty. In practice, of course, the
    no penalty thing is very hard to enforce. It only means that
    they can't use it as an excuse to fire you. It does make life
    very difficult for a reservist if his employer does give them
    a hard time about the time off. Those of us that work for D.E.C.
    are very fortunate to have corporate support of our military
    careers.
    
    My boss still hasn't totally forgiven me for taking five weeks
    for a school and two weeks AT in the same year, but he only
    ribs me about it.
    
    Bob Mc

    Re .10:
    
    My boss gave me a *very* hard time about active duty for training
    to the point where I ended up transferring from the Selected (drilling)
    Reserve to the IRR (Individual Ready Reserve) back in December 1988
    where active duty for training is optional. I broached the subject
    last year of doing two weeks at my mob. site (SIMA Newport) and
    he let me know in no uncertain terms how he felt about me going
    on active duty.
    
    So corporate may support the Guard and Reserve but there are individual
    managers (mine for example) who don't.
    
    FWIW,
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR

Here's a "funny" for you... When I went to America for 4 years I was 
"de-activated" from my reserve job - reasonable really since I was 3000 miles
from the office :-)

Two days after I started the process of coming back - and before I'd got round
to telling my CO I was returning to the UK - I got a telegram "asking" me to
ring the Military Attach� at the British Embassy in Washington - he had my 
orders re-activating me, and ordering me to training ... and, oh yes, I got a
promotion...

As far as I can tell UK personnel told MoD(Army) that I was coming back...
apparently checking if I was going to be covered by these Policy & Procedure
provisions...

/. Ian .\

	Re: .10 and .11

	I also get the feeling that it would be better if I did not ask for
	time off for military training from my management. What I have done
	in the past is use my banked overtime hours and just take two weeks
	off.

	But my worse problem is the Army has changed the annual two week
	training exercise to the first two weeks of July. I am always busy
	with fiscal yearend work at that time. We used to train the last two
	weeks of August, that at least I could make. So this year is out, as
	I can't make it. There is no legal requirement for us to attend, that 
	is, for Canadian Reserve. If we every get a law giving us military
	leave then I guess we will have to go to camp.

	Susan

    Some of these replies make me realize how very fortunate I am. 
    My manager, and her manager, are both very supportive of my involvement
    in the Air National Guard.  I never have received any negative reactions
    when I have informed them that it is time for me to take off for a
    bit.  It saddens me to think that some managers hold our military
    lives in such low esteem when most of us are quite proud of what
    we do.
    
    Jane

    I also could not participate in the RAF Regiment if my managers
    were not so understanding. The open day we have every year when
    my managers are invited to the Officers Mess for a meal after spending
    the day at the ranges etc has nothing to do with it of course, but
    it helps. When they come back to work the following Monday it's
    all they talk about!

    Re last few:
    
    Yup...count yourself among the lucky ones. My boss, who gave me
    such a hard time about my annual active duty for training requests
    as described previously, was right there last November at the Veteran's
    Day Observance at MK01 showing his "concern" for those who made
    the supreme sacrifice.
    
    It boggles the mind.......
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR