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53.0. "Old units never die, they just fade away" by ABE::STARIN (One of the Ghiblim) Thu Dec 14 1989 15:01

    What does the British Army (and maybe the other services as well)
    do with units they don't have enough bodies to fill (e.g. Argyll
    and Sutherland Highlanders)?
    
    Do they reassign the personnel to other units and disband the old
    one, combine them with another unit, or what?
    
    Also, do they follow the pattern of most of the US military
    (Army/USMC/USAF) and transfer disbanded active units to the reserve
    components (e.g. 4MARDIV)?
    
    Thanks.
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR
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53.1and some new ones are createdMPGS::MCCLUREWhy Me???Thu Dec 14 1989 17:224
    Ahhh Mark, not all units that are de-activated from the regular
    Army, are activated in the Reserves!
    
    Bob Mc
53.2You got itABE::STARINOne of the GhiblimThu Dec 14 1989 18:009
    Re .1:
    
    Right you are, Bob.....I was generalizing. The US Navy Reserve tends
    to establish and disestablish units without regard to tradition.
    I think the Seabees are one of the few exceptions - I'm trying not
    to over-generalize again! :) :)
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR
53.3Canadian MethodKAOA01::LAPLANTELes Montagnards Cameron d'OttawaFri Dec 15 1989 13:0238
    
    Mark, I will make the assumption that we are talking about reserve
    units and not regular force units.
    
    In Canada, and talking strictly for army reserves, units come in
    two sizes:
    		a. Major units -- Battalion/Regiment
    		b. Minor units -- Company/Squadron/Battery

    Some major units will have several companies in outlying locations
    but they are still considered part of the battalion for strength
    purposes.
    
    If a major unit strength is reduced to such a number that it is
    not viable to maintain its organization, it might be reduced to
    a minor unit (hard on the LtCol who is now in a Major's position).
    However, if the unit is successful in recruiting back up to a minimum
    strength, it can be redesignated a major unit. I know of one unit
    in Eastern Ontario that did excactly this.
    
    If a minor unit cannot maintain strength it will be shut down. If
    it is an outlying company, the current members will be transferred
    to one of the other companies if they so desire. It is very difficult
    to get a minor unit re-activated once they have been closed down.
    
    If a town/city has more than one unit and some or all are having
    trouble with strength, there has been forced amalgamation of them.
    Sometimes into one of the existing units, sometimes into a completely
    brand new one.
    
    For the past several years this has not been a problem. Most units
    have had strengths well over the minimum, and some have had more
    than the maximum (done by borrowing strength from units that cannot
    meet maximum).
    
    Hope this is what you were looking for.
    
    Roger
53.4Not much different in the StatesABE::STARINOne of the GhiblimFri Dec 15 1989 13:4621
    Re .3:
    
    Thanks, Roger. The Americans tend to do the same thing (although
    it gets a little political some times - probably not too different
    elsewhere though).
    
    For example, it used to be there were two National Guard Divisions
    in New England - the 43rd Infantry Division (Connecticut and Rhode
    Island) and the 26th Yankee Division (the rest of New England). About
    25 years ago when the US Army was in one of its periodic reorganization
    modes, the 43rd Infantry Division was reduced to Brigade size and
    became the 43rd Brigade of the 26th Infantry Division. Needless to say
    the higher ranking officers were unhappy campers because of the
    reduction in staff positions but that organization remains with
    us to this day. In my prior service days, I was in Headquarters
    and Headquarters Company, 1st Battalion 169th Infantry of the
    Connecticut Army National Guard as a commo chief. We wore the 26th
    Infantry "YD" patch even though we were part of the 43rd Brigade.
    
    Mark
    RMC USNR