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| 12.1 | I'll comment about other tng later | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Fri Nov 17 1989 13:26 | 15 |
| Rich,
You're mostly correct. A four hour block is a Unit Training Assembly
(UTA). If more than one four hour block is conducted, they then
become Mulitiple Unit Training Assemblies (MUTA). The number of
assemblies makes up the rest of the designation (MUTA-4, MUTA-5).
The reason that you didn't see any regularly scheduled assemblies
longer than Fri night, Sat & Sun, is that training scheduled for
more than 72 continuous hours is no longer Inactive Duty Training.
An operation tht requires longer than 72 hours to complete is
considered Active Duty Training and requires active duty orders.
That is the way orders for Annual Training read. "You are ordered
to active duty for the period indicated."
Bob Mc
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| 12.2 | | PEKING::NASHD | | Fri Nov 17 1989 13:46 | 15 |
| We commit to 96 hours non-continuous training and 15 days continuous
training for every financial year.
But, if thats all you do you won't last long. The squadron meets
one evening per week, arranges weekend activites 2 or 3 times per
month and next year we go to Germany for 2 weeks training.
In addition, there are courses you can request to go on for which
you'll be paid. However, the regulars have priority and then the
reserves I'm told. There's a waiting list for most courses.
Then there's the adventure training weekends as well.
The last evening I went, earlier this week, was spent running(in
uniform and webbing) 5 miles with an 8 round shoot on the 25 metre
range wearing the respirator, at the halfway point.
TTFN,
Dave
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| 12.3 | | LILAC::ZORE | I'm the NRA! | Fri Nov 17 1989 15:16 | 1 |
| Let the good times roll! :-)
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| 12.4 | | WEDOIT::QUIGLEY | Nation of sheep is nice for wolves | Fri Nov 17 1989 15:50 | 36 |
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Most drill weekends are usually done in the field. December,
January and February are the exception as we are not allowed to
cold weather train. We have connexs' filled with cold weather gear
but we aren't issued it with TA50.
Drilling in Manchester, NH and with no local impact area available
for M198 cannons to dump their load. We usually will travel to Camp
Edwards on the Cape to get in firing missions on Saturday. The M198's
have to fire a plastic round down there, as it doesn't make any
noise on impact and the people in Hyannis like that. It still makes
a hell of a bang leaving the tube though!
Being the only unit in NH with short and long range radar and
with 3 battalions in the state with cannons; we tend to travel all
the time. We split up our unit to cover firing missions on weekends,
our full unit doesn't normally drill on. Sometimes I don't see people
in my unit all together for 6 months or more.
Since radar is a Division level asset there has always been a
strange situation here in NH. We are attached to the NJ National
Guard which is the home of the 50th Armor and we wear the armor
triangle patch. The rest of the state wears the A or 1st Army patch.
Our own state never used our radar's until 2 years ago. We always
had to go to Annual Training with the 50th before we saw any live
fire. Now, finally we split the unit and do multiple Annual Trainings
and travel to the Cape, Camp Underhill in Vt. or Val Cartier in
Canada for weekend drills with units throughout the state. We also
do FTF's (For The Flag, no pay) on Thursday night before a MUTA
5 to load equipment and then we leave early Friday mornings to travel
anywhere up to 300 miles to do missions. Most people tend to take
alot of vacation days but most of the people I work with enjoy what
they're doing!
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| 12.5 | one schedule | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Fri Nov 17 1989 19:12 | 38 |
| Here's a description of a MUTA-4 for my C&J company.
Saturday
0700-0730 Sign in for pay
0730-0745 Formation, in-ranks inspection
0745-1030 Prepare for movement to the field:
Draw field gear, protective mask, weapons.
PMCS & dispatch vehicles, draw Platoon Electronic
equipment. Load personal & Platoon equipment.
1030-1100 Move to training site.
1100-1200 Establish bivouac site.
1200-1300 Lunch
1300-1700 Exercises in setting up and tearing down various
pieces of Sigint gear.
1700-1800 Supper
1800-1900 NCO meeting and critique of day's training.
1900-2100 DF exercise using known, mobile, station.
Sunday
0600 Wake up
0630-0730 Breakfast
0730-0900 Common task training
0900-0930 Break camp
0930-1000 Movement to firing range
1000-1300 Weapons qualification
1300-1330 Movement to Reserve Center
1330-1700 Clean and turn in personal/Platoon equipment, weapons and
vehicles.
Of course, the weapons qualification is a periodic thing and not a 'typical'
activity. One of the 'typical' activities for my unit, is language training.
Most of the positions in my unit require the knowledge of a foriegn language,
and we have to balance the field usage of the equipment with refresher train-
ing in their specified language.
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| 12.6 | another schedule | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Fri Nov 17 1989 19:13 | 29 |
| Here's a description of a regular Infantry type MUTA-4.
Saturday
0700-0730 Sign in for pay
0730-0800 Formation, in ranks inspection
0800-0900 Draw personal gear, protective mask and weapon.
0900-0930 Load equipment, prepare for movement.
0930-1000 Movement to training area.
1000-1100 Establish bivouac site.
1100-1200 Lunch
1200-1700 Infantry - Movement to contact
Mortars - Crew drills with sub-caliber device
1700-1800 Supper
1800-2100 Infantry - Patrolling
Mortars - Night crew drills
2100-2200 NCO meeting, critique training
Sunday
0530 Wake up
0600-0700 Breakfast
0700-1000 Infantry - Ambushes
Mortars - Fire missions in support of ambushes
1000-1100 Break camp
1100-1130 Movement to Reserve Center
1130-1230 Lunch
1230-1630 Clean and turn in personal gear, masks and weapons.
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| 12.7 | bits and pieces | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Fri Nov 17 1989 19:47 | 29 |
| US Reserve and National Guard forces commit to 48 - 4hr assemblies
and two weeks annual training a year. Of course, 4 4hr blocks in a
weekend comes out to 12 weekends/yr and that leads to the one-a-
month scenario in the adverts. The two weeks, can be 12-16 days
depending on the type of unit/mission.
The amount of training that can be accomplished, depends on the type
of unit. If you compare the two schedules that I posted, you will see
that it takes much longer for my present unit to move out, than my old
Infantry unit. This is due to the complexity of the equipment and the
number of vehicles involved. An armor unit takes longer and so does
an artillery unit. As our friend from New Hampshire stated, some units
would find it almost impossible to accomplish their mission if it
weren't for some individuals 'volunteering' extra time.
Extra training is available to USAR and ANG units. For the most part,
you can attend air-assault school, northern warfare training, mount-
ain warfare training and (if your unit has positions requiring it)
airborne, ranger or special forces training. Required for promotion,
are the NCO education courses Primary (PLDC) for Corporals and Serg-
eants, Basic (BNCOC) for Staff Sergeants and the Advanced for Sergeant
First Class. All of these courses can be taken in addition-to or in-
lieu-of annnual training. I think that you can see where unit integrity
suffers if every soldier avails himself of all of the training in-lieu-
of. However, not every soldier can take more than two weeks off in a
year and even if they can, if they are married it puts quite a strain
on the family.
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| 12.8 | What we did in november | PEKING::NASHD | | Sat Nov 18 1989 12:20 | 19 |
| Well, lets see now. For the first 3 weekends of this month:
W/end number 1 Friday night to Sunday afternoon practising
section attacks, OP's, shooting and patrolling
on Salisbury Plain.
W/end number 2 One day CASEVAC for the Movements Squadron at
Brize Norton. We came them the opportunity
to practise their skills at handling passengers.
In truth, we sat around for a long time and
flew (good ol' C130's) for a little.
W/end number 3 Two day Squadron shooting competition on Salisbury
Plain.
I think nothing is planned for the next weekend, well I hope not
as my wife has the car so I won't be able to attend.
Dave
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| 12.9 | The US Navy - 200 years of tradition unhindered by progress | ABE::STARIN | When all else fails, read the manual! | Mon Nov 20 1989 14:54 | 29 |
| Re .0:
Well, it's not too much different in the Navy Reserve, although
it does vary somewhat depending on what kind of unit you drill with.
For example, if you're a boat-driver (assigned to an NRF ship),
you do 60 drills a year + 2 weeks AT. Same if you're an airedale
with a squadron. BTW, NRF = Naval Reserve Force. Typical NRF ships
are fast frigates (FF), LST (Landing Ship Tank), and a few others.
If you're a land sailor like I was though you spent most of your
weekends at RESCEN (Reserve Center) repairing and operating
communications equipment, getting ready for weekend-away training
(typically in Virginia) or the next deployment, or working on the
paper side of readiness training. Everything was geared to readiness
and still is I suspect. A couple of weekends a year we would lend
communications support to Naval Reserve Special Warfare Groups or
Army Reserve Special Forces units. They in turn would help us with
small arms quals (M16's, M60's, M203's, and the like). We usually
did pretty well with small arms - for sailors.
Despite my previous service with the US Army, I had no idea that
tracers from an M60 machine gun could start a grass fire so easily!
We had to cease fire on a range last November to allow the fire
trucks to put out the fire....meanwhile we got to watch the SF jumping
from Herks.
Mark
RMC USNR
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| 12.10 | A day at the Drill Sergeant School (Winter Schedule) | LANDO::DENNING | | Mon Nov 20 1989 15:02 | 34 |
| Time What Location Trainer
0400-0430 Wake up/First Call Co Area CQ/Student 1SG
0430-0445 Travel Enroute Student 1SG
0445-0500 Formation Bunker Hill Student 1SG
0500-0615 Classroom Bunker Hill DSLs
0615-0630 Travel Enroute Student 1SG
0630-0715 Breakfast Meal Dining Fac DFAC MGR
0715-0730 Travel Enroute Student 1SG
0730-0800 In-Ranks Inspection Bunker Hill DSLs
0800-1115 Classroom Bunker Hill DSLs
1115-1130 Travel Enroute Student 1SG
1130-1215 Lunch Meal Dining Fac DFAC MGR
1215-1230 Travel Enroute Student 1SG
1230-1330 Classroom Bunker Hill DSLs
1330-1345 Prepare for Phys Tng Co Area Student 1SG
1345-1445 Fitness Training PT Field MFT
1445-1515 Personal Hygiene Co Area Student 1SG
1515-1615 Classroom Bunker Hill DSLs
1615-1630 Travel Enroute Student 1SG
1630-1715 Dinner Meal Dining Fac DFAC MGR
1715-1730 Travel Enroute Student 1SG
1730-1900 Classroom Bunker Hill DSLs
1900-2030 Study Hall Bunker Hill DSLs
2030-2300 Personal Time Co Area Student 1SG
2300- Lights Out/Fire Guard Co Area CQ
Abbrevs
1SG - First Sergeant
DFAC MGR - Dining Facility Manager
DSL - Drill Sergeant Leaders (Instructors)
Co Area - Company Area
MFT - Master Fitness Trainer
CQ - Charge of Quarters
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| 12.11 | | KAOA04::KLEIN | Nulli Secundus | Fri Nov 24 1989 20:49 | 15 |
|
A typical reserve unit in Canada will train 1 night per week and
do administration 1 night per week. For my unit, training is Tuesday
night and Friday is admin. One weekend per month is devoted to
LHQ local training. This usually consists of lots of paperwork for
the paperpushers and 8 hours of training, either classroom or handson
for the non paperpushers. Commonly, units are tasked with conducting
a course, in our case armoured gunnery or driver and maintainance.
These course are conducted on alternate weekends. Weekend exercises
are usually planned during the spring and fall. In winter, 1 winter
indoctrination is conducted. Weekend exercises start on Friday,
with issue of kit, orders and movement to the training location with
training on Sat and Sun, moving back Sun night. During the summer
2 week of concentration are held with all reserve units from a
province getting together for training.
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| 12.12 | An MIS Reserve Unit | LUNER::FIRTH | | Tue Nov 28 1989 04:23 | 24 |
| Well, there are all sorts of Reserve Units. After reading the
preceeding field soldier type of responses, I thought I would add
one that is a bit different.
I am in the Directorate of the Deputy Chief of Staff for
Information Management (DCSIM) of the 94th ARCOM. That is,
we are the MIS Group, or Computer Support Group for most of
the Army Reserve in New England. Annual Training for us
might be done in several increments (3 or 4 days each), a
week at a time, or the entire two weeks.
My last annual training was spent travelling through parts
of New England and conducting a computer equipment
inventory and software audit at various Reserve Centers.
A weekend drill will be spent making visits to various
Reserve Centers to give hands-on Data Processing
Assistance, doing group or individual CAI, working on
documentation, etc.
Anyway, it is different than a field soldier's Reserve Unit.
Bill Firth
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| 12.13 | ooh, ooh, a live one | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Tue Nov 28 1989 13:24 | 3 |
| Hey Bill, do you give classes on the efficient use of RLAS?????
Bob Mc
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| 12.14 | | PEKING::NASHD | | Tue Nov 28 1989 13:46 | 6 |
| Bob,
What is an RLAS?
TTFN,
Dave.
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| 12.15 | CLAS and ULAS | EARRTH::FIRTH | | Wed Nov 29 1989 08:37 | 14 |
| The most commonly used applications are ULAS (Unit Level
Application System) and the updated version CLAS (Center
Level Application System).
CLAS was developed jointly by the IM group at Ft Belvoir, VA
and the 94th ARCOM's DCSIM. I was fortunate enough to participate
in that in a small way.
The advantage to CLAS is that it is more user friendly, operates
from a single data base, and all personnel records can be modified
with single global entries. It also is a much better report generator.
Bill
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| 12.16 | Shift Colors - Underway | JUPITR::WHYNOT | SK2 - USNR | Thu Nov 30 1989 17:50 | 27 |
|
As noted by that land sailor, Navy Reservists assigned to a Naval
Reserve Force (NRF) ship, I'm required to ba aboard by 1900 but no
later than 2030.
We usually muster from 1930 to 2000... Then head to our Sea and Anchor
detail stations.
Ship is underway by 2100....Usually the Sonar, Operation Specialists,
Radio types are right into the action as are the Engineering types.
Saturaday..Electronic exercises, Helo stations, maybe GQ, fire the
5'54, chase an track a sub, surface warfare exercises etc.
Sunday..same thing...a little training, First aid, Damage Control, Fire
fighting etc.
About 1500 Sea and Anchor...Pull into Newport about 1700...Usually off
the ship by 1800-1830..
We get five drills per weekend plus the 2 wks ADT.
No drill pay if we fly to Norfolk, etc for special occasions like
firefighting school.
sw
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| 12.17 | Why isn't it standard? | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Mon Dec 04 1989 16:31 | 10 |
| re .16
So, if you only get 48 drills/yr that means you do 9 MUTA-5s/yr with
a day & a half left over for other things?
Too bad about the no pay for extra schools, the Army has Additional
Training Assemblies (ATAs limited to 12/yr) or will put you on man-
day spaces (AD orders) to go to school.
Bob Mc
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| 12.18 | The Mission Goes On No Matter What | ABE::STARIN | INT QRK INT ZBO K | Mon Dec 04 1989 19:13 | 15 |
| Re .17:
I won't presume to answer for the SK2 ('cause I was the "land sailor"
he referred to :) :)) but the USNR has units that are paid for 60
drills/year and others that are paid for 48 drills/year. The budget
is tight (aircraft and ships cost mucho bucks to keep flying/afloat)
and the mission goes on no matter what so sometimes people end up doing
unpaid drills (which is why I got out of the SELRES - my wife had
had enough of "free" drills).
I always envied my US Army Reserve counterparts because they usually
did get paid for extra drills.
Mark
RMC USNR
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| 12.19 | No No! The dock is WEST! | 18889::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Tue Dec 05 1989 18:00 | 9 |
| Ahhhhh Ha! Now I understand. One advantage we ground pounders have
is that supper on Saturday and breakfast on Sunday is only budgeted
if the training is planned for an overnight. Come 1800 on Saturday
or Sunday, "Hey, you're gonna have to feed us if we stay any later".
Of course, there usually aren't any 'emergency' rations available.
Can't quite pull that off when you're 50 miles out of port and facing
heavy seas. At least I can walk home if my truck breaks down. 8-)
Bob Mc
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| 12.20 | When CINCLANT talks, people listen | ABE::STARIN | INT QRK INT ZBO K | Tue Dec 05 1989 20:07 | 20 |
| Re .19:
Roger that, Bob. BTW, it is not unusual for an FF to pull into port
late on Sunday evening. That FF belongs to CINCLANT down on Hampton
Boulevard in Norfolk. If the man with the four stars on his shoulder
boards down there says that FF will perform a certain mission that
drill weekend which may cause it stay out a little longer than
usual....ohhh well.
My Tin Can (destroyer) sailor friends in my last USNR unit would often
razz me about being ex-Army and imply I wasn't a "real" sailor. Luckily
for me in our unit skill with an M-16 rifle probably counted for more
than whether you could tie two half hitches or didn't get seasick. My
typical response was, "Where would you rather be in wartime.....on a
tin can that gets torpedoed in the North Atlantic in mid-January or
dodging Soviet T-72 tanks ashore? I'll take my chances with trying to
escape and evade the T-72's, thanks."
Mark
RMC USNR
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| 12.21 | ex | JUPITR::WHYNOT | SK2 - USNR | Thu Dec 07 1989 20:02 | 2 |
|
The weekends that we would go to Norfolk or Philly for, we'll
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| 12.22 | AFTP's for Flying Personnel | RITA::HYDE | Migratory Database Worker | Fri Dec 08 1989 22:29 | 24 |
| >> Too bad about the no pay for extra schools, the Army has Additional
>> Training Assemblies (ATAs limited to 12/yr) or will put you on man-
>> day spaces (AD orders) to go to school.
The Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard have super deals, too.
When my unit upgraded from C123K to C130E aircraft, I went to Little
Rock AFB for 3 months of AD. When we got rid of our C130's and picked
up C5's, I went to 5 weeks of AD at Chanute AFB to learn how to
impersonate a Maintenance Officer.
We got AFTP's (Additional Flying Training Periods aka Additional
Financial Training Periods) in addition to UTA's. For an AFTP, we had
to be on duty for at least 4 hours of which at least 2 hours was to be
in the air. However we could bank extra flying time and swap that into
an AFTP provided the receiving AFTP period had at least 1/10 of an hour
of flying time. We were allowed on some occasions to get 2 AFTP's in
one day. Each AFTP had the same pay as one UTA pay period. We also got
per diem if the trip included an overnight at another location.
We were allowed a maximum of 48 AFTP's/year with a maximum of 16 in any
one quarter.
Kurt
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| 12.23 | | AMTRAK::STERLING | Aye, Shiver me Timbers Matey | Tue Dec 12 1989 20:40 | 34 |
| re topic 36.17 "Top" MCCLURE
You're right, that topic wasn't the place to discuss the issue of
using extra time for training versus "make work".
I absolutely agree with you Top. I did have an NCOIC, once, that
strongly disagreed with some of the chickens**t that others so love to
put their troops through, and usually took advantage of extra time
by doing such things as marching his Plt out the back gate to the local
training area for "nature hikes" as he called them (they were
officially called "extra PT"). This usually meant loosing ourselves
in the woods in some idyillic spot by a stram or on a hilltop, (we
had to keep in radio contact though in case of alert).
A significant difference was that rather than just giving his troops
a break, he gave them the option of listening to him give lectures
and participating in discussion of various military and related
topics. He never woke anyone up that wanted to use the time to
snooze, but he made these ad hoc classes seem so interesting that
few of us could keep from at least listening to what was being
discussed.
It was from him that I learned the meaning of the term "Military
Crest", how to daisy chain claymores, various commands in foreign
languages, Russian military organization (we were in Germany), what
WP CW signs looked like, comparisons of various countries weaponry and
their strengths and weaknesses, Aircraft/ vehicle ID, and many more
things.
Most importantly, he gave us confidence in ourselves just by taking
the time to treat us like something more than low life serfs.
Dave
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| 12.24 | tap-a tap-a | MPGS::MCCLURE | Why Me??? | Wed Dec 13 1989 17:52 | 9 |
| Dave, ya got me tween a rock and a hard spot. I really didn't
want to get into a philosophical/gripe session about military
life. Training to do your job is important. Keeping a professional
appearance is important. Keeping your house from looking like a
pig sty is important. Spending 365 days/yr in the field practicing
movement to encounter is overkill. Spit shining boots and starching
BDUs is overkill. Spending 365 days/yr polishing the platoon floor
and dusting lockers is overkill. Hopefully, the right thing is some
mix in between.
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| 12.25 | | AMTRAK::STERLING | Aye, Shiver me Timbers Matey | Thu Dec 14 1989 14:25 | 10 |
| re .24
Aye, this is true. I guess what the "right" mix is or should be
depends on many things not the least of which is the mission one
assigned.
Thanks for the discussion.
Dave
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| 12.26 | Time to train... | DRLSGT::SERV | Serv | Tue Jul 02 1991 17:00 | 8 |
| Well, the time has come to train...
See (note) you all in a couple of weeks. I'm off to "play" Drill Sergeant for
a couple of weeks in Sunny Ft. Jackson, SC.
Serv
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| 12.27 | 2 weeks Military Training? | DUCK::NASHD | | Tue Jul 02 1991 19:17 | 15 |
| My unit are also off to do their 2-weeks soon, I can't get the time off
to go unfortunately.
There will be: 4 days travelling
5 days on the ranges
2 day exercise
2 days of sports fields
2 days off
Apart from the exercise it's normal office hours! What a fun way to
spend 2 weeks at camp, it's no wonder so many want to join.
Dave
PS: The Bounty Hunters reappeared again - as expected....
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| 12.28 | | JUPITR::WHYNOT | SK2 - USNR | Mon Jul 15 1991 18:11 | 18 |
|
I returned from my two weeks....though it seems like I never left.
I had my regular Duty Weekend 6/21-6/23..From there..right onto my two
weeks. Arrived aboard USS Valdez (FF-1096) Friday 6/23 and found out
that after-steering was "all #$#$-up"...and we would leave only when it
was repaired....For two + weeks...1096...never left the pier....I was
able to get home several times....but would have preferred to have been
out on the deep blue Atlantic....
Oh well...the last two years weren't too bad....As we Decommission
later this year..it'll be interesting to see where I'm going and the
prospects of next years two weeks...
SK1
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| 12.29 | It's over for another year... | DRLSGT::SERV | Serv | Wed Jul 24 1991 19:29 | 10 |
| I'm back...
It was very hot, very strenuous, very...
BUT, most of all it was FUN!
Isn't that why we all do this?
Serv
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| 12.30 | Easter with the movers. | PEKING::NASHD | | Wed Apr 14 1993 16:11 | 29 |
| 17 of my unit spent the Easter break tramping around the mountains of
North Wales in what was meant to be a "civilian" expedition.
The views were spectacular, the weather was great but the planning and
food were abysmal. We also had a Sgt on loan from another unit ( his
presence had nothing to do with the fact that his wife was also on the
course...) who decided to run the base camp - jumped up little smart*^&
that he was.
Anyway the most exciting part was being caught in a thunder storm up a
mountain. Feeling the air charge and my body convulse as some lightning
discharged close by. Followed immediately by the thunder. I practically
s*&t myself, said a few prayers and started laughing.
Later that night I was hustled by a copule of old men in the pub.
They were playing dominoes, I joined in and out came the money. I lost
overall but they were such good company I really didn't mind.
This weekend we're back at the base for some practical work on the
mockups.
In May and July there are, I'm told, two expeditions in the UK to
select a group of people to go on another expedition to the Rockies
later this year. I'm need to check onthis but are there any reservists
anywhere near this particular area who would like a visit from my unit?
What are you doing this weekend?
Dave
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| 12.31 | Trade Training | SILK::SIMON | Semper in excernere | Mon Apr 03 1995 09:50 | 10 |
| I belong to the most technical Corps of the British Army, The Royal Corp
of Signals :-). During the winter months we have our trade training. My trade
is Radio Telegraphist. There are 4 training weekends ar the Longmoor training
area near Liphook Hampshire (the original one). This is backed up by weekly
training at the TA centres.
This weekend just gone I took the exams. both practical and written. I passed
both. The pass mark for the written is 60%, I got 82%.
Simon
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