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3.0. "I want a bergen...." by PEKING::NASHD () Wed Nov 15 1989 15:29

    Can someone recommend a rucksack/bergen that:
    	       -Can be worn with 58 webbing
    	       -Is easy to put on and take off
    	       -Has a volume of around 90 litres
    	       -Does not require a second mortgage.
    
    Incidentally, I'm also looking for decent boots
    
    Thanks,
    Dave
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3.1SAC::PHILPOTT_ICol I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' PhilpottThu Nov 16 1989 13:019
Apart from the question about the webbing (where the answer is a qualified "I 
think so") you might look at the packs and pouches made by Israeli Military 
Industries (IMI, though that means something else in Britain).

I haven't seen it in Britain, but it should be available. I used some in America
and it certainly seemed very practical.

/. Ian .\
3.2PEKING::NASHDThu Nov 16 1989 14:016
    Thanks for the advice Colonel, can't say I've ever heard of IMI,
    do you know of any distributors or shops etc.?
    
    Thanks in advance,
    Dave
    
3.3Try Conjay's... SAC::PHILPOTT_ICol I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' PhilpottThu Nov 16 1989 14:3422
No- as I said I haven't seen it over here.

Maybe one of our American colleagues can find a US mail order outlet that
carries Israeli gear (at least one of the outdoor catalogues I seem to recall 
carrying what they call "Uzi brand" packs and webbing...)

Alternatively try picking up a British gun magazine and finding the UK 
distributors for the Desert Eagle pistol...

You could try
		Conjay Firearms & Ammunition Ltd
			P.O. Box 582,
			London, NW10 5NZ

		tel:	01 965 7116
		or	01 960 6879

They certainly advertise the IMI pistols (Desert Eagle pistols, Uzi pistols, 
carbines and SMGs, plus Galil service rifles)and ammunition, and may be the 
importers

/. Ian .\
3.4Some more detail?CTOAVX::GONSALVESServ - Escaped from NY!Fri Nov 17 1989 16:138
    Can you give me some details like:
    
    What is 58 webbing?
    Dimensions (in inches or cm)?
    
    Maybe I can find something in one of my mail-order books.
    
    Serv
3.5PEKING::NASHDFri Nov 17 1989 17:4615
    Well, 58 webbing consists of a belt to which various pouches are
    attatched for magazines, water bottle etc. To take some of the weight
    from the belt to the shoulders there is a yoke attatchment.
    On the back of the yoke a pack can be attatched but it is only a
    little one. There is also a "bum"-roll that is attached at the back
    and hangs about bum height, used for holding the poncho/basha.
    The belt is about 2 inches thick.
    
    The position of the belt and pouches can be adjusted so the bergen
    I'm looking for can rest on the 2 rear kidney pouches when being
    worn, but I think a waist belt would get in the way.
    
    Over to you,
    Dave
     
3.6Try M*A*N*S , they have boots too...CTOAVX::GONSALVESServ - Escaped from NY!Fri Nov 17 1989 18:4411
    Sounds a lot like our "pistol belt".
    
    You should get a catalog from MASS*ARMY*NAVY STORE.  They have lots
    of new and used equipment from US and foreign services, all at
    reasonable prices.  
    
    15 Fordham Road, Boston MA  02134
    
    (617) 783-1250 or 800-343-7749
    
    Serv
3.7JUPITR::WHYNOTSK2 - USNRWed Nov 29 1989 21:539
    
    
    Two other places to check might be Kaufman's of Alburqueque, NM which
    has all kinds of military items and maybe the Quartermaster.
    
    I'll drop in the address' tomorrow.
    
    		sw
    
3.8JUPITR::WHYNOTSK2 - USNRThu Nov 30 1989 15:1620
    
    
    Ok...Heres the info I promised:
    
    	Kaufman's West - Army/Navy	1-800-545-0933
        1660 Eubank NE
    	Albuquerque, NM. 87112  
    
    	$3.00 per catalog
    
    	Lot's of Military equipment, both used and new...Also from
    	different countries.
    
    
    	The Quartermaster catalog doesn't really have a lot of Military
    	items... Mostly novelty type stuff..
    
    		sk2
    
    
3.9BRABAM::PHILPOTTCol I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' PhilpottTue Dec 18 1990 12:1012
Well, only a year later...

A good mail order supply firm in Britain is 

		Survival Aids,
		Morland
		Penrith
		Cumbria CA10 3AZ

They also have a few retail shops (including one in Aldershot I believe).

/. Ian .\
3.10PEKING::NASHDTue Dec 18 1990 19:0314
    Ian,
    
    I heard about Survival Aids some time ago and got hold of a catalogue.
    The products seem to be good quality, but then I would expect that in
    any catalogue. I've also been in touch with Silvermans.
    
    What I was looking for was the type and name of a pack eg Crusader,
    Cyclops Roc more than the supplier.
    
    Incidentally, to solve the short term problem I bought a cheap one from 
    a local shop, about 25 UK pounds, and it's still ok! But I reckon I'll
    need a new one next year.
    
    Dave 
3.11BRABAM::PHILPOTTCol I F 'Tsingtao Dhum' PhilpottWed Dec 19 1990 08:3929
    
    Dave,
    
    I figured by now you had probably got some sort of solution.
    
    I just put the SA address in "for information".
    
    They'll probably be getting a lot of publicity in the monthly magazines
    because they had a "press survival weekend" recently for the
    journalists (one of the four wheel drive mags wrote it up, that was
    what reminded me...)
    
    I carry a couple of their bivvy sacks and some "arctic clothing" in my
    Land Rover at all times. I can't speak of the rest of their gear, never
    having tried it.
    
    Incidentally the story is that the guys that started it are ex-army and
    felt they had found a market niche because "nobody" (including the
    army) supplied real arctic survival clothing that (a) worked, and (b)
    was light enough to work in ...
    
    Anyway with half a dozen retail outlets they pass my usual test of a
    mail order place I'll deal with (ie I won't normally buy from a place
    that only deals mail order, but if they have [a number of] shops where
    the public can inspect the goods then you can make a reasonable
    assumption that the catalogue is not too outrageousely over
    glamourising the goods)
    
    /. Ian .\