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| 265.1 | USA Today's top 30 picks | CSLALL::BRULE | Spring Training is here | Wed Feb 19 1997 12:03 | 31 |
| Player School Pos. Ht., Wt. in 40 Rating
Rae Carruth Colorado WR 5-10 1/8,188 4.38 8.10
*Orlando Pace Ohio State OT 6-6, 320 5.10 8.00
Greg Jones Colorado DE 6-3 5/8,236 4.55 8.00
David LaFleur LSU TE 6-7 1/8,276 4.80 8.00
*Troy Davis Iowa State RB 5-7 3/4,183 4.55 7.70
*Darnell Autry Northwestern RB 5-11, 210 4.45 7.60
Chris Naeole Colorado OG 6-2 7/8,311 5.16 7.60
*Darrell Russell USC DT 6-4, 310 4.80 7.50
*Shawn Springs Ohio State CB 6-0, 190 4.40 7.50
*Corey Dillon Wash. RB 6-2, 220 4.55 7.50
Bryant Westbrook Texas CB 5-11 3/4,200 4.42 7.50
Michael Booker Nebraska CB 6-1 1/8,204 4.48 7.30
James Farrior Virginia OLB 6-1 3/8,232 4.64 7.30
Antowain Smith Houston RB 6-2 1/8,224 4.53 7.30
Tiki Barber Virginia RB 5-8 5/8,193 4.48 7.20
*Yatil Green Miami WR 6-2, 205 4.50 7.20
*Peter Boulware Fla. State DE 6-5, 255 4.70 7.20
Gerald Wunsch Wisconsin OT 6-5 1/4,324 5.26 7.10
Warrick Dunn Fla. State RB 5-7 5/8,179 4.40 7.00
*Ike Hilliard Florida WR 5-11, 182 4.55 7.00
*Reidel Anthony Florida WR 5-11, 176 4.55 7.00
Marcus Harris Wyoming WR 6-1, 213 4.59 7.00
Freddie Jones N. Carolina TE 6-3 3/4,256 4.80 7.00
Scott Sanderson Wash. State OT 6-5 3/4,270 4.98 7.00
Reinard Wilson Fla. State DE 6-1 5/8,249 4.75 7.00
*Kenard Lang Miami DE 6-3, 255 4.80 7.00
Harry Sharper Virginia OLB 6-2 3/4,234 4.67 7.00
*Dwayne Rudd Alabama ILB 6-2, 245 4.50 7.00
Tom Knight Iowa CB 5-10 7/8,186 4.56 7.00
*Byron Hanspard Texas Tech RB 5-11, 190 4.38 7.00
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| 265.2 | Peyton Manning | RTL::ROSE | Steve Rose | Wed Mar 05 1997 13:03 | 11 |
| Of possible news of note, the following extracted from NFL news.
Coveted Tennessee quarterback Peyton Manning will reveal his
decision to either stay in the collegiate ranks or enter the NFL
Draft when he holds a news conference at the school on Wednesday.
ESPN reported Tuesday night that Manning is expected to announce
he will stay for his senior season. ..... Manning, who is expected
to be among the top picks if he declares, did not announce his decision
by the required deadline for most players. Because he is eligible
to graduate this spring, he can wait until two weeks before the
draft to make up his mind.
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| 265.3 | | ABACUS::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Wed Mar 05 1997 14:04 | 3 |
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It's official - Manning will stay at Tennessee!
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| 265.4 | I wish he had come out and Parcells drafted him... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Wed Mar 05 1997 14:24 | 13 |
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Crap! Now the Jets will probably get the best player in the draft,
Orlano Pace.
I was hoping Manning would come out so some other team could pick up
Pace and he would'nt be in our division. The guy is impressive.
I heard that the Jets are trying to restructure Niel O'Donnells contract
so that they can have some room under the salary cap to sign the first
pick of the draft. I'm sure he's not crazy about that.
Sean
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| 265.5 | ya never know | SHRCTR::YOUNG | | Wed Mar 05 1997 14:46 | 5 |
| Everyone says Orlando Pace is a "can't miss" ........ remember what the
same experts said about Tony Mandarich ........ I've only seen Pace
play a few times on TV and he sure dominates .......
greg
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| 265.6 | I Don't | ABACUS::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Wed Mar 05 1997 14:52 | 6 |
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>>>>>>>>>>Everyone says Orlando Pace is a "can't miss"
No such thing as a can't miss.
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| 265.7 | Why? | DONVAN::SCOPA | | Wed Mar 05 1997 14:56 | 11 |
| I'd be curious as to how and why Manning decided to stay. I'm sure
there will be a certain spin put on the decision by Father and Son but
one wonders....
Does Manning want to play for the Saints?
Was Parcells a factor?
Was the Jets salary cap situation a factor?
Maj
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| 265.8 | Draw your own conclusions | CSLALL::BRULE | Spring Training is here | Wed Mar 05 1997 15:34 | 5 |
| Re -1
Let's put it this way. Manning talked to both Bledsoe and Hosletter
about playing for Parcells.
Mike
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| 265.9 | | ABACUS::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Wed Mar 05 1997 15:44 | 18 |
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re: -.1
YES!!! I think after all is said and done, Drew's talking to him
negativly affected his decision to turn pro. He went out of his
way at the press conference to mention how much he respects the
Tuna etc, etc, etc....Seems like a smoke-screen to me. Also,
FWIW, Archie Manning HAD BEEN speaking informally to agents who
would potentially represent his son prior to the announcement of
this decision. From what I recall about the USA Today article
about this, Leigh Steinberg is the front runner and he also
represents....
....you guessed it....
....Drew Bledsoe.
CF
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| 265.10 | Could there be other reasons than the Tuna???? | NETCAD::NPARE | | Thu Mar 06 1997 08:43 | 15 |
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rep - few.... While you guys are fileting the Tuna, could it be
that he decided to stay because with the restructuring of the TV contracts,
everything that I hear so far says that there will be megabucks available
under the cap.... Meaning that he will commend beaucoup $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ if
he has a decent year (he could start at Bloedsow $42mil). And wasn't he
looking to break some record at Tennesse????????
Norm
PS: Curtis Martin/his agent want Emmett Smith/Barry Sanders type salary
numbers before next year when he becomes a free agent.....
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| 265.11 | There's still the rookie salary cap! | CSLALL::BRULE | Spring Training is here | Thu Mar 06 1997 12:49 | 8 |
| I said to draw your own conclusions. Press stories have said that
Peyton had talked to both Bledsoe and Hostleter about playing for
Parcells. Noone but Peyton knows why he's staying. But if he really
thought that playing for Parcells would be great, why stay?
He probably won't have that chance for another 5 years unless the Jets
3peat at #1.
Mike
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| 265.12 | Cap yes, Bonus no limit... | NETCAD::NPARE | | Thu Mar 06 1997 12:59 | 20 |
| >> <<< Note 265.11 by CSLALL::BRULE "Spring Training is here" >>>
>> -< There's still the rookie salary cap! >-
>> I said to draw your own conclusions. Press stories have said that
>> Peyton had talked to both Bledsoe and Hostleter about playing for
>> Parcells. Noone but Peyton knows why he's staying. But if he really
>> thought that playing for Parcells would be great, why stay?
>> He probably won't have that chance for another 5 years unless the Jets
>> 3peat at #1.
>> Mike
Rookie Cap yes, but there is no cap on the Signing Bonus, which is
paid up front, and pro-rated over the life of the contract ($42mil bonus,
$400K salary)....... I also mentioned some record at Tennesse that I heard
something about.....
Norm
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| 265.13 | | CSLALL::BRULE | Spring Training is here | Thu Mar 06 1997 15:37 | 4 |
| Norm,
I think the bonus money is figured in someway.
Mike
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| 265.14 | | NETCAD::NPARE | | Fri Mar 07 1997 08:18 | 9 |
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The bonus $$$$/a percentage of it goes against the cap every year
of the contract, and really only affects the cap if the player leaves the
team early. But what the players like, is that the bonus is upfront,
guarantied, where the contract is not (unless you're Drew Bloedsow)....
Norm
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| 265.15 | | CSLALL::BRULE | Spring Training is here | Fri Mar 07 1997 08:43 | 5 |
| But in addition to the regular salary cap each team can only spend X$'s
on rookies. So Manning or any rookie won't be breaking the bank for
some years.
Mike
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| 265.16 | No more compensatory draft picks..... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Fri Mar 28 1997 11:54 | 16 |
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I'm not sure about how anyone else feels about these compensatory draft
picks for losing free agents but IMO its a bunch of crock. Alot of
times free agents leave because the team has all intentions of getting
rid of them for some reason or another (whether it be money or
indifferences) and not because the player wanted to, so they are rewarded
for it ?
For example Jimmy Johnson did alot of "housecleaning" when he took over
in Miami. Miami is getting 3 extra picks because of the compensatory
draft. Now I'm not saying that every team has'nt benefitted from this
but I don't think that losing a free-agent should give you extra draft
picks. It kind of "tarnishes" the draft in my opinion.
Sean
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| 265.17 | | CSLALL::BRULE | Spring Training is here | Fri Mar 28 1997 12:11 | 11 |
| Sean,
The Pats had 2 or 3 comp picks last year I believe. Basically the
number of picks assigned is the differance between the number of Free
Agents you sign vs. the number you lose. This year there is 30. So
they've basically added one round. I believe that these comp picks
cann't be traded and the first pick this year is after the Pack have
their 3rd rounder picked.
The whole thing was the players concession to teams wanting
compensation for losing Free Agents.
Mike
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| 265.18 | Still don't like it.... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Fri Mar 28 1997 14:36 | 21 |
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Mike,
I know how and why the compensation picks are handed out but I
still don't agree with the whole process. Its the "why" I don't like.
I don't think that a team should get extra draft picks for losing more
compensatory free agents than gaining. Basically no matter how you lost
the unrestricted free agent it should be "tough luck" for the team.
The teams who pay are the ones who, in a sense, "get pushed out"
further in the draft after the compensatory picks come into play
(as you stated right after the third round).
I know in the past the Pats have benefitted from this, but I still
don't like it. I'd rather see the compensatory picks gone.
BTW, Miami is getting 3 compensatory picks at the end of the 3rd
round. Tell me that ain't great.
Sean
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| 265.19 | | CSLALL::BRULE | Spring Training is here | Fri Mar 28 1997 15:08 | 13 |
| Sean,
Agreed.
I didn't know that the Phins got 3 3's. That stinks.
While we're talking draft choices has anyone seen any publications for
the draft out yet? According to NFL.COM the ESPN web site and the NFL
will start to cover the Draft "Early in April" There's a couple of
preliminary Web sites out there that are decent if anyone's interested.
With the extra picks the Pats have this could be an interesting draft
for the Pats. 2 years ago when they were picking late in each round
they could of have their best draft since 1976. Law, Johnson, Martin,
Wolbaugh etc was quite a haul.
Mike
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| 265.20 | 10 days and counting..... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Wed Apr 09 1997 12:18 | 64 |
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Well with the draft around the corner, I'd like to kick off some
questions and get some opinions as to what player and what position
the Patriots should get. This should be probably one of the hardest
years to guess who the Pats will pick.
The good thing is that the draft should not be so critical this year
as the Pats are resigning most of thier free-agent players. The other
good thing is that the Pats are supposedly well under the salary cap.
The bad thing is that we're picking 29th, which brings up the first
question.
Should the Pats try and trade thier first round pick and some later picks
to try and move up in the first round of the draft? Personally I think
this would be a pretty good move if there was a team in the top 10
willing to do it. And since the Pats have resigned most of thier free
agents and have pretty good depth, then this would be the year to try
and get another impact player and settle for less draft picks. I certainly
would'nt trade with the Jets as the less picks they have the longer it will
take them on thier road to recovery (remember the Pats got the Jets 3rd
and 4th round picks this year). But there are about 6 NFC teams in
the top 10 who definatly need some extra picks to rebuild. If the Pats
were able to do this they could possibly get one of these players:
maybe Peter Boulware DE Florida State
Walter Jones OT Florida State (William Roberts isn't signed yet and old)
Tarik Glenn OT California
Bryant Westbrook CB Texas
Dwayne Rudd LB Alabama
Jamie Sharper LB Virginia
There are also some impact recievers too but I did'nt list them because
this position probably isn't high on the Pats needs list.
Or should the Pats trade thier first round pick and trade down into the
early part of the second round? This might not be a bad move either as
they could save some money by not signing a first rounder who is nearly
in the second round anyway. The cornerback draft is deep and they could
still get a quality CB (since the CB position has depth this year) who
would be willing to play backup, as the Pats just signed Steve Isreal.
But I would say that the OL might be the Pats biggest need right now
and if they could get a quality OT (ie Walter Jones or Tarik Glenn) in
the early first round by trading up then I would like to see them do it.
I would list the order of neccessity like this:
1) Offensive lineman
2) Cornerback
3) Defensive lineman
Other positions for the later rounds might be:
Linebacker
Running back (in case Curtis Martin gets hurt or leaves next year,
there is a guy who has the same running style as Curtis
whose name is Sedrick Shaw from Iowa.)
Let's hear it on who you think the Pats should draft!
Sean
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| 265.21 | Draft Player ratings from USA TODAY | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Wed Apr 09 1997 13:30 | 199 |
| National combine ratings
Draft rating system: 8.0-8.9, should start first year;
7.0-7.9, should start;
6.0-6.9, backup, will make roster;
5.0-5.9, can make club and contribute.
'Speed' represents the player's time in the 40-yard dash
Offense
Quarterbacks
Player School Ht. Wt. Speed Rating
Jim Druckenmiller Virginia Tech 6-4 3/4 223 5.02 6.5
Pat Barnes California 6-2 5/8 213 5.01 6.4
Jake Plummer Arizona State 6-1 195 4.88 6.3
Danny Wuerffel Florida 6-1 1/2 210 4.81 6.2
Brad Otton Southern Cal 6-5 225 5.00 6.2
Jason Martin Louisiana Tech 6-2 1/4 240 4.90 6.2
Lance Funderburk Valdosta State 6-3 7/8 207 4.80 6.1
Mike Cherry Murray State 6-3 5/8 224 5.13 6.0
Donald Sellers New Mexico 6-0 184 4.63 5.7
Branndon Stewart Texas A&M 6-2 215 4.75 5.7
Wide receivers
Rae Carruth Colorado 5-10 1/8 188 4.38 7.6
*Yatil Green Miami (Fla.) 6-2 205 4.38 7.5
*Reidel Anthony Florida 5-11 176 4.55 6.9
Joey Kent Tennessee 6-1 190 4.45 6.7
*Ike Hilliard Florida 5-11 7/8 189 4.50 6.6
Kevin Lockett Kansas State 5-11 7/8 171 4.55 6.4
Marcus Harris Wyoming 6-1 3/8 213 4.67 6.3
Mike Adams Texas 6-0 185 4.40 6.3
Derrick Mason Michigan State 5-10 191 4.53 6.3
*Will Blackwell San Diego State 5-11 5/8 180 4.40 6.2
Chad Mackey Louisiana Tech 6-7/8 204 4.47 6.2
Dedric Ward Northern Iowa 5-8 3/8 174 4.49 6.0
Tight ends
David LaFleur Louisiana State 6-7 1/8 276 4.80 7.4
*Tony Gonzalez California 6-6 235 4.85 7.2
Freddie Jones North Carolina 6-3 3/4 256 4.80 6.6
Bryan Jennings Virginia Tech 6-3 1/2 252 4.79 6.4
Pete Chryplewicz Notre Dame 6-5 267 4.85 6.5
O.J. Santiago Kent 6-6 7/8 266 4.68 6.5
Itula Mili Brigham Young 6-3 5/8 253 4.60 6.4
Damon Jones Southern Illinois 6-5 1/2 278 4.79 6.3
John Allred Southern Cal 6-4 5/8 250 4.85 6.2
Chad Lewis Brigham Young 6-5 1/2 247 4.80 6.1
Running backs
*Corey Dillon Washington 6-2 220 4.55 7.5
Antowain Smith Houston 6-2 1/8 224 4.46 7.3
Warrick Dunn Florida State 5-7 5/8 179 4.40 7.3
*Byron Hanspard Texas Tech 5-11 190 4.38 7.1
Jay Graham Tennessee 5-11 218 4.43 7.1
Sedrick Shaw Iowa 5-11 5/8 212 4.51 7.0
*Troy Davis Iowa State 5-7 3/4 183 4.51 6.9
Tiki Barber Virginia 5-8 5/8 193 4.48 6.6
George Jones San Diego State 5-8 5/8 204 4.55 6.1
*Terry Battle Arizona State 5-10 5/8 197 4.55 6.2
Fullbacks
Marc Edwards Notre Dame 6-0 237 4.69 6.0
Jerald Sowell Tulane 5-11 7/8 244 4.72 6.0
Brian Edmonds Virginia Tech 5-10 3/4 235 4.63 5.3
Emory Smith Clemson 5-11 5/8 242 4.84 5.3
Timothy Cotton SW Louisiana 5-11 7/8 240 4.70 5.1
Centers
Dan Neil Texas 6-2 3/8 291 5.15 6.4
Rod Payne Michigan 6-3 1/2 295 5.30 6.3
Calvin Collins Texas A&M 6-1 3/8 298 5.06 5.8
Billy Conaty Virginia Tech 6-2 3/8 306 5.30 5.7
Jeff Mitchell Florida 6-4 1/4 285 5.25 5.7
Nathan Gibson Mansfield State 6-4 305 5.20 5.5
Guards
Chris Naeole Colorado 6-2 7/8 311 5.16 7.3
Juan Roque Arizona State 6-8 322 5.35 6.8
Ross Verba Iowa 6-3 3/4 282 5.00 6.7
Bob Sapp Washington 6-3 1/2 296 4.85 6.7
Damon Denson Michigan 6-2 3/4 290 5.36 6.4
Steve Scifres Wyoming 6-3 1/4 291 5.30 6.3
Brad Badger Stanford 6-4 283 5.05 6.2
Chris Dishman Nebraska 6-2 5/8 322 5.40 6.2
Ben Bordelon Louisiana State 6-5 5/8 291 5.27 6.0
Larry Moore Brigham Young 6-2 1/4 291 5.20 5.9
Tackles
*Orlando Pace Ohio State 6-6 7/8 334 4.85 8.0
*Walter Jones Florida State 6-4 7/8 301 4.90 7.6
Gerald Wunsch Wisconsin 6-5 1/4 324 5.26 7.0
Tarik Glenn California 6-5 360 5.20 7.0
Scott Sanderson Washington State 6-5 3/4 270 4.98 7.0
Paul Wiggins Oregon 6-3 1/8 322 5.18 6.6
*Jamie Nails Florida A&M 6-6 1/8 387 5.63 6.5
Brent Smith Mississippi State 6-4 1/2 285 5.09 6.4
Jay Hagood Virginia Tech 6-4 1/4 308 5.28 6.4
Adam Treu Nebraska 6-5 291 5.10 6.3
Scott Rehberg Central Michigan 6-7 1/8 321 5.16 6.1
Raleigh Roundtree So. Carolina State 6-4 3/8 295 5.30 6.0
Defense
Defensive ends
Player School Ht. Wt. Speed Rating
Peter Boulware Florida State 6-5 255 4.70 7.9
Kenny Holmes Miami (Fla.) 6-3 5/8 264 4.70 7.2
Mike Vrabel Ohio State 6-3 3/8 256 4.80 7.0
*Trevor Pryce Clemson 6-5 280 5.00 7.1
Reinard Wilson Florida State 6-1 5/8 249 4.75 6.4
*Kenard Lang Miami (Fla.) 6-3 255 4.80 6.0
Jason Taylor Akron 6-6 243 4.64 6.0
Nathan Davis Indiana 6-4 7/8 285 4.65 6.0
Jon Harris Virginia 6-7 1/2 271 4.95 5.9
*Tony Daniels Texas Tech 6-4 260 4.90 5.9
Rod Manuel Oklahoma 6-5 1/8 268 5.02 5.6
Tackles/nose tackles
*Darrell Russell Southern Cal 6-4 5/8 321 4.80 7.9
Rick Terry North Carolina 6-3 1/4 297 4.93 6.8
Brandon Mitchell Texas A&M 6-2 1/8 278 4.68 6.6
Renaldo Wynn Notre Dame 6-2 5/8 288 4.80 6.1
Antonio Anderson Syracuse 6-6 5/8 314 4.97 6.1
David Richie Washington 6-3 5/8 262 4.91 5.9
Terry Day Mississippi State 6-3 1/2 270 4.72 5.7
Matt Kenely Southern Cal 6-4 5/8 285 4.95 5.8
William Carr Michigan 5-11 1/2 290 5.25 5.8
Brandon Noble Penn State 6-2 263 4.80 5.7
Outside linebackers
*Dwayne Rudd Alabama 6-2 245 4.50 7.8
Jamie Sharper Virginia 6-2 3/4 234 4.67 7.5
James Farrior Virginia 6-1 3/8 232 4.64 7.4
Keith Mitchell Texas A&M 6-2 3/4 230 4.70 7.0
*Derrick Rodgers Arizona State 6-2 222 4.60 7.1
Greg Jones Colorado 6-3 5/8 236 4.55 7.0
Jared Tomich Nebraska 6-2 5/8 252 4.70 6.2
James Hamilton North Carolina 6-4 1/8 227 4.66 6.1
Canute Curtis West Virginia 6-2 1/4 252 4.88 5.8
Bert Berry Notre Dame 6-2 5/8 245 4.55 5.8
Henri Crockett Florida State 6-1 7/8 255 4.78 5.7
Inside linebackers
Tyrus McCloud Louisville 6-1 1/4 244 4.85 6.9
Matt Russell Colorado 6-1 3/8 252 4.66 6.2
Pat Fitzgerald Northwestern 6-1 7/8 233 4.90 6.1
Jarrett Irons Michigan 6-3/8 235 4.61 6.0
James Darling Washington State 6-1 247 4.85 6.0
Alshrmnd Singleton Temple 6-1 3/4 232 4.68 6.0
Jon Hesse Nebraska 6-3 1/8 247 4.92 5.7
Pete Monty Wisconsin 6-1 1/4 246 4.75 5.6
Kinnon Tatum Notre Dame 5-11 1/4 226 4.65 5.5
Anthony Hicks Middle Tenn. State 6-1 5/8 246 4.87 5.4
Cornerbacks
*Shawn Springs Ohio State 6-0 190 4.37 7.8
Bryant Westbrook Texas 5-11 3/4 200 4.42 7.8
Michael Booker Nebraska 6-1 1/8 204 4.48 7.5
Tom Knight Iowa 5-10 7/8 186 4.56 7.5
*Chris Canty Kansas State 5-9 1/2 190 4.50 7.3
Sam Madison Louisville 5-11 1/8 173 4.48 7.2
Dexter McCleon Clemson 5-9 7/8 196 4.39 6.6
Kevin Abrams Syracuse 5-8 1/4 171 4.30 6.4
Brian Miller Penn State 5-9 186 4.50 6.3
Daryl Porter Boston College 5-8 1/2 188 4.53 6.2
Free safeties
Chris Carter Texas 6-1 1/4 205 4.40 6.7
*Tremain Mack Miami 5-11 7/8 200 4.50 6.6
Brian Kelly Southern Cal 6-5/8 190 4.55 6.3
Mike Logan West Virginia 5-11 3/4 207 4.45 6.2
Kim Herring Penn State 5-11 193 4.45 6.1
Chad Scott Maryland 6-3/4 201 4.55 6.1
*Kenny Wheaton Oregon 5-9 190 4.50 6.1
*Ronde Barber Virginia 5-9 1/2 180 4.50 6.2
Antonio Banks Virginia Tech 5-9 3/4 195 4.55 5.8
Eric Stokes Nebraska 5-10 7/8 189 4.49 5.7
Strong safeties
Jamel Williams Nebraska 5-11 7/8 200 4.37 6.7
Terrell Farley Nebraska 5-11 3/8 198 4.52 6.6
Torrian Gray Virginia Tech 5-11 5/8 200 4.45 6.2
Dexter Coakley Appalachian State 5-9 7/8 209 4.47 6.2
Kenny Harris N.C. State 6-1 7/8 204 4.52 5.7
Rob Kelly Ohio State 6-1 202 4.45 5.5
Sean Woodson Jackson State 6-1/2 210 4.42 5.5
Eric Collier Northwestern 6-1 215 4.65 5.6
Charles Emanuel West Virginia 5-11 3/4 196 4.64 5.4
Chris Hewitt Cincinnati 6-0 202 4.57 5.4
Punters
Brad Maynard Ball State 6-1 1/8 184 4.60 5.5
Nate Cochran Pittsburgh 6-4 7/8 215 4.95 5.1
Will Brice Virginia 6-4 225 4.95 5.0
Kickers
John Hall Wisconsin 6-2 7/8 226 4.92 5.2
Ryan Longwell California 5-11 5/8 192 5.12 5.0
*underclassman
Source: National combine and USA TODAY research
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| 265.22 | My 2 cents | RTL::ROSE | Steve Rose | Wed Apr 09 1997 13:43 | 18 |
| I think the pats should concentrate on:
1. cornerback - unless Otis Smith resigns with the pats. There is nothing
in Steve Israel's resume (other than sharing agents with the
head coach) to suggest that he is a starting CB. And if he
proves to be any good - he has a history of injuries.
2. linebacker - IMO, we need at least one more. We don't have any depth there.
3. running back - Byers is okay, but he's not really a 'backup' for the
questionable Sam Gash. If Curtis gets hurt, can Mario Greer
fill in for him? Personally, I think Greer could be a
pretty good player, but Parcells had no confidence in him at
all.
With the pats having so many picks and so many people players coming back,
I'm not sure what we're going to do with all of them! They should make some
kind of trade.
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| 265.23 | | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Wed Apr 09 1997 13:47 | 13 |
| Well 2 years ago drafting in the 23rd slot they hauled in quite a load.
Unlike then I cann't see a rookie starting unless there are injuries.
Saying that from what people are saying it might not make sense to
trade up. It may make sense to draft down and stockpile some later
picks or picks for next year.
Areas that I'd like to see addressed
1 DT (Someone who can pass rush up the middle
2 OT (A replacement for Armstrong down the line
3 CB (It's supposedly the deepest position in the draft)
4.FB (depth behind Gash. You never know about knees)
5.TE (someone to push Burke)
Mike
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| 265.24 | Well Devin Wyman started out as a starter.... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Fri Apr 11 1997 14:13 | 32 |
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> Unlike then I can't see a rookie starting unless there are injuries.
> It may make sense to draft down and stockpile some later picks or
> picks for next year.
It still maybe worth trying to get a possible starter, such as an
offensive tackle like Walter Jones or a defensive end like Peter Boulware
if possible. The Pats could have a very good chance at one of these
players if they were to get to 4th or 5th spot. So it is really not
that unconcievable to get a "likely" starter. I'm not totally convinced
that there isn't room for improvement in the starting lineup either.
And Williams Roberts return is still "shaky". So we may need a left
guard, and nobody is sure whether or not Rucci or Lane will be able to
play the left side effectively.
Another thing too is that they may have alot of draft picks but how
many of the lower round picks (like rounds 3-7) are not going to make the
team when the Pats are signing proven players who are in backup
positions already. So they may probably let alot of the picks go,
which is kind of a waste. This might be one of those years where you
might want less propects but better choices. The thing too is that the
Pats might still be able to keep some picks in the lower rounds because
they have so many (they might only have to offer only one of the two 3rd
and 4th rounders, or a combo).
The Pats might want to consider doing a pre-trade (before the draft) too
like the Raiders and Seahawks did.
Keep the options open!
Sean
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| 265.25 | They do have plenty of options | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Fri Apr 11 1997 16:38 | 12 |
| I guess the question is how far do they need to trade up to get a top
pick. Given that The Raiders and Seahawks gave up a ton of picks to
move up 8 picks Is it worth it? The Ravens are openly shopping the 4th
pick this year. I'd guess that in order to move up 25 picks it would
take this years #1 and #2 and next years Jets #2. Unless they can deal
a veteran (Brisby?) instead of a #2 I'd pass.
But if your talking of moving up 5 or 7 picks if a Terrick Glenn, Chris
Naeole or Trevor Price are available and who may or may not be there at
#29 then definatly go ahead and do it. But I'd wait till draft day to
see who is choosing who.
Mike
|
| 265.26 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Fri Apr 11 1997 17:40 | 5 |
|
Since Peyton Manning isn't in the draft. I would offer the Jets all
of there draft picks back, plus our own #1 pick, for the overall #1.
Ron
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| 265.27 | Pats and Jets trade??? I don't think so..... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Fri Apr 11 1997 18:02 | 11 |
|
That would certainly be a great deal for the Pats, but maybe a little
too good. It would probably take more for tham to bite. And then again
Kraft may not want to deal with them in any way.
The Pats could possibly trade with many teams though to get up to the
spot. I read both the Ravens (at the 4th spot) and Detriot (at the 5th)
are taking offers to get more picks from other teams.
Sean
|
| 265.28 | | ABACUS::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Mon Apr 14 1997 09:51 | 12 |
|
If the Patriots could move up to the 4th or 5th spot they
would certainly be able to get Shawn Springs (CB) and eliminate
their secondary problems altogether. With Springs and Law at the
corners and Milloy & Clay at safety plus Isreal at the nickel
back spot they'd have a solid secondary....
Thats a big "If", though
CF
|
| 265.29 | Only 21 | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Mon Apr 14 1997 10:20 | 9 |
| CB is probably the deepest position in the draft. Springs is a great
prospect but there is a quite a few other top CBs who would cost less.
Booker of Nebraska is one. After reading a ton of stuff this weekend I
think the player who they should trade way up for is the OT Jones. He
supposedly behind Pace that much but is more of a project. The Pats
could take their time and develop him to eventually replace Armstrong 2
years down the road.
Mike
|
| 265.30 | The draft does'nt always show the true #1.... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Mon Apr 14 1997 10:23 | 25 |
|
> If the Patriots could move up to the 4th or 5th spot they
> would certainly be able to get Shawn Springs (CB)
Not neccesarily. Good cornerbacks are a highly coveted position, and
Springs is projected to go in the top three on just about everyones
board. I don't think he'll last past the third spot myself. Just about
everybody is projecting the top three to be:
Orlando Pace
Darrayl Russell
Shawn Springs
Although moving up to the 4th or 5th spot could get us Bryant
Westbrook, a cornerback who is nothing to sneeze at. Or Peter
Boulware, a DE, another spot we can use some help.
How glad are we to get Terry Glenn over Keyshaw Johnson? Just ask the
Jets. ;-)
Sean
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| 265.31 | | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Mon Apr 14 1997 11:03 | 5 |
| Sean,
Are you talking about KJ's new book? I wonder how the Tuna will like
that? Is this guy the second coming of Irvin Fryer or what?
Mike
|
| 265.32 | Writing a book after one year in the NFL??????? | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Mon Apr 14 1997 11:26 | 14 |
|
> Are you talking about KJ's new book?
Yep.
> I wonder how the Tuna will like that?
Probably won't. Looks like KJ wants to get traded. Got his signing
bonus already.
> Is this guy the second coming of Irvin Fryer or what?
Worse.
|
| 265.33 | Springs is the Top of a Strong DB Field | ABACUS::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Mon Apr 14 1997 12:52 | 13 |
|
Re: Sean - You're right. I forgot Seattle had the 3rd pick now and
they'll definatly be taking Springs. Jets will take Russell &
Oakland supposedly covets Pace. I think Seattle just lost one
of their starting corners to FA so Springs is an obvious fit.
We'll know for sure this Saturday!
FWIW - If the Pats trade up, I wouldn't do it for anyone besides
Walter Jones or Springs and that seems unlikely at this point.
CF
|
| 265.34 | I would'nt count on Springs being there at #4 | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Mon Apr 14 1997 13:18 | 15 |
|
Read a note this morning that Parcells is thinking about possibly
taking Springs with his number one pick.
Also if the Jets take Orlando Pace, than the Raiders said they might
probably take Springs.
And as mentioned Seattle has a need at CB.
So I really doubt he drops to number 4, but then again were talking about
the draft here and anything can happen.
Sean
|
| 265.35 | Tuna Melt? | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Mon Apr 14 1997 13:26 | 11 |
| Sounds like Parcell's is trying to extort a pick out of Seattle. It
could backfire on him if he took Springs. Seattle could take Westbrooks
of Texas who is pretty close to Springs.
The Jets need beef. Oakland wants Pace. The Jet's might be afraid that
Russell will be like Wilkerson and need a few years to develop. I think
the Jets will take Russell, Oakland gets Pace and Seattle gets Springs.
What's everyone think of the Patriots picking Renaldo Wynn of ND? DE
opposite McGinnest. Might need to move up to get him.
Mike
|
| 265.36 | KJ's Fiasco | EVMS::chiles.zko.dec.com::dkosko | David Kosko | Tue Apr 15 1997 11:31 | 12 |
| Regarding the KJ fiasco, and that's just exactly how I see it, I don't see how
this guy is going to get the balls to go back and face his teammates. I mean
I've heard a lot guys over the years bad mouth their "team", the owners and
even occasionally their coaches, while they were still playing for them. But I
cannot remember a time when a guy, a rookie no less, comes out blasting
his teammates the way this jerk did. Incredible! Either he really is the
baddest dude on the block or he's crazy.
If Keyshawn doesn't get his act together Parcells just may have his ass for
breakfast one day.
dave
|
| 265.37 | Would be a good pick at thier current position... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Wed Apr 16 1997 10:51 | 18 |
|
RE. -35
Renaldo Wynn would probably be an excellent pick if they stay at thier
current position. I would expect that he'll probably be around when the
Pats pick and he might go earlier but not much. If he isn't around when
the Pats pick there are still lots of good defensive backs to pick
from, so I would'nt bother moving up for Renaldo Wynn. Most of the ones
worth moving up for are in the top 7 to 10 positions, after that you might
as well stay put.
Only beef about him is he is a little short at 6'2" compared to the
"prototype" defensive end. But I like the fact he has all the playing
time he does in the program he's in. And he's know to be a fierce
competitor and has a pretty good forward push.
Sean
|
| 265.38 | | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Wed Apr 16 1997 15:47 | 6 |
| Sean,
Did you see the Globe today? Since the Bengals matched the Pats offer
on Braham that would have cost them their 3rd pick the Pats are now
considering using that pick to move up in the first.
Mike
|
| 265.39 | If its true, try and get Pace.... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Wed Apr 16 1997 16:56 | 20 |
|
RE .39
Mike,
I did'nt but I wonder if the Globe is doing thier usual speculation
or are they getting this information from the Patriots organization
themselves? Usually the Pats don't like to give out any information
on what they intend to do in the draft.
Although I do like the idea. Although at first I did'nt like the
possibilty of trading with the Jets it might be worth it to get Orlando
Pace. Watching that guy plow over people is truly an awesome sight. I
can't believe anyone would consider taking Daryll Russell over Pace.
A guy like Pace does'nt come along that often. I know sometimes these
"sure prospects" bomb out but I don't think this is the case with Pace.
Sean
|
| 265.40 | Parcells like Big D-Lineman | ABACUS::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Wed Apr 16 1997 17:02 | 4 |
|
No offensive lineman has ever gone #1 Overall, I beleive?
CF
|
| 265.41 | | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Wed Apr 16 1997 17:08 | 15 |
| >I did'nt but I wonder if the Globe is doing thier usual speculation
>or are they getting this information from the Patriots organization
>themselves? Usually the Pats don't like to give out any information
>on what they intend to do in the draft.
Well the piece was written by Nick Cafardo. Last year Borges had the
correct scoop, McDonough the wrong one so I don't know where Nick
stands in the mix? :^) I think it's pure speculation. I don't know if
the Pats need 9 picks this year and I do doubt that more then 5 will
make the team. They are one of the youngest teams in the league and are
solid in most areas. It may be a year to try and move up seeing they
still have the Jets #2 next year and #1 the year after with all of
their own.
Mike
|
| 265.42 | | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Wed Apr 16 1997 17:08 | 2 |
| Re.40
Ron Yary was the last Olineman to go #1
|
| 265.43 | | ZEKE::CAMILLERI | | Thu Apr 17 1997 13:19 | 7 |
| Bill P didn't it again...Just traded his #1 pick to St.louis for their
#1 pick ( 6th overall) and a 3rd, 4th and 7th round pick.....
Looks like Bill Parcells is trying to get as many drafts as
possible...Hejust got back his 3rd and 4th that he lost to the PAts...
|
| 265.44 | Hope it's another of Parcell's GM screwups | TNPUBS::NAZZARO | UMass in 1998 - Final Four! | Thu Apr 17 1997 14:58 | 5 |
| I thought that after the first four picks, there was a significant
drop off. The two defensive backs, Russell, and Pace. I guess
Boulware would be 5th. Who does that leave for the Jests?
NAZZ
|
| 265.45 | I would'nt have passed up on Pace no matter what the needs were... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Thu Apr 17 1997 16:07 | 18 |
|
The first pick at the next level of talent, which is what the Jets
probably wanted, as well as the lower draft picks. I bet they don't want
none of the players mentioned in reply .44 because they will want big
bucks because they're labeled as impact players.
I thought I read somewhere where Parcells said they could'nt afford
a #1 pick. Still people are comparing Orlando Pace as the next John
Hannah, and OL as such come around in a blue moon. And although I hate
comparing draftees to proven players, if anyone has ever watched this
guy he is truly unbelievable.
I don't care if I did need lots of players, I would still take this
guy. Jets fans are going to be ripped.
Sean
|
| 265.46 | | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Thu Apr 17 1997 17:10 | 5 |
| NAZZ,
My pure guess is either Wally Jones who some say is almost as good as
Pace or Boulwire if he is there.
Mike
|
| 265.47 | The raiders & Ravens want to move down also! | ABACUS::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Fri Apr 18 1997 09:45 | 7 |
|
I would expect Parcells to trade the 6th overall pick as well
and try to stockpile 2's, 3's & 4's. Unfortunatly (for the Jets)
the salasry cap is playing into their draft in a big way.
CF
|
| 265.48 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Fri Apr 18 1997 10:20 | 11 |
|
The Raiders want to move down now, because they traded up to get
Pace. I hope Parcells keeps trading down, because it usually back
fires.
After Peyton Manning decided to stay in school. Parcells should
have tried to re-negociate with the Patriots to get all his draft
picks back, plus the Pats 1st rounder for the #1 pick. The Jets only lost
there 3rd and 4th round picks this year. Next season its there 2nd round
pick, then in '99 its there #1 pick.
Ron
|
| 265.49 | Would have been good for both but... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Fri Apr 18 1997 10:44 | 11 |
|
> After Peyton Manning decided to stay in school. Parcells should
> have tried to re-negociate with the Patriots to get all his draft
> picks back, plus the Pats 1st rounder for the #1 pick.
I would like to have seen it too but considering everything that
happened I doubt that Kraft would negotiate with Parcells even if he
wanted too.
Sean
|
| 265.50 | The "Class" at the Corner | ABACUS::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Fri Apr 18 1997 11:03 | 5 |
|
I'd like to see the Pats move up to Oaklands spot and
steal Shawn Springs away from the Seahawks.
CF
|
| 265.51 | Well maybe.... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Fri Apr 18 1997 13:04 | 16 |
|
I'd like to see the Pats get either Shawn Springs or Bryant Westbrook
but not if they have to sell the house to do it. They could get a
quality CB later on since there is depth in the draft for that
position.
But if they can keep thier second round pick, thier first third round
pick, and at least one fourth round pick then I'd think it would be
worth it.
It might even be worth to try and move up into the mid section of the
first round, but once again don't give away too many picks to do it.
Sean
|
| 265.52 | Don't Like the Pick | BRAT::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Mon Apr 21 1997 09:40 | 11 |
|
Two things you definatly cannot teach a DB are:
A> Size
B> Speed
Canty has neither.
CF
|
| 265.53 | We'll see in September | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Mon Apr 21 1997 12:05 | 29 |
| There's alot of mix press about Canty. The Globe and a couple other
places say he's too slow and small. I don't think he is. According to a
couple of things I read Canty had a good game against Rae Carruth of
Colorado who was the fastest WR in the draft. Canty is very tough
against the run. There were a few other places that were very high on
Canty like the CBS SPortsline draft section who rated the Canty pick a
B. They do need some depth at the DB slot and with Carter, who Bucko
Kilroy said the Pats had rated the top S in the draft, they filled a
need. They drafted some depth at OL with the 4th round pick Denson and
a few others. Denson was projected by a lot of people to be a 2nd-3rd
round pick.
With the drafting of Shaw at RB, Canty who can return punts and with
Troy Brown returning you can probably say goodbye to Meggett.
Mitchell at #2 might be a good pickup or a bust. He starred his
Sophmore and Junior years at DT but had a lesser year when he was moved
to DE this year. The Pats will move him back inside where they expect
him to compete for a starting position.
The cost to move way up to get a top pick probably was too much. But I
wished the Pats could have moved up in front of Jacksonville and
picked Renaldo Winn and then came back in the 2nd round for a CB. But
what the heck.
I do think the Dolphins and Bills really helped themselves. I do think
the Jets blew it with their First pick. LB was probably their top
position and now they are talking of trading Marvin Jones to make room
for Farrior. The whole thing reminded me of the Pats trading down
instead of taking Cortez Kennedy.
Mike
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| 265.54 | I hope he turns out OK | BRAT::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Mon Apr 21 1997 12:48 | 16 |
|
Big 12 Football = Run, Run, Run...
I don't see him as being an effective corner for the Pats (I hope
I'm wrong). He's too small & too slow to stay with the better WR's
in the league. Besides, I think he's projected more as a nickel
back than someone who will come in and start opposite Law. The
punt returning ability is interesting and certainly makes Meggett
expendable.
With that #29 pick, I think Shapier, the LB from Virginia was the
pick even though there is not a glaring weakness at OLB. He's a
great coverage LB which was something the Pats were lacking last
year, especially on third down.
CF
|
| 265.55 | | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Tue Apr 22 1997 09:37 | 9 |
| Well until I see differantly on the field I'll give Grier the benefit
of the doubt. He and his scouts have seen him more then Ron Borges,me
or anyone else to second guess at this point. Noone in the last 2 years
have had better drafts then the Pats.
The next few weeks could yield a whole new class of Free Agents. IT
will be interesting to see if the Pats can add one or two veterans at a
cheap price.
Mike
|
| 265.56 | The media are supposed to be reporters and not "football experts" | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Tue Apr 22 1997 10:53 | 28 |
|
Please, until the media sends out a squad of people all year to
evaluate players then maybe I'll take thier word over someone who
actually knows something about it.
Anyway, It appears as though the Pats have gotten some good players/value
but it will still remains to be seen as to whether or not they'll be
able to start. Even Chris Canty may have to be a backup for awhile, but
he'll definatly provide some heat to Ricky Rynolds and Otis Smith which
is good. Regardless, now we have some quality depth at some of the thin
positions at least.
I think the guard out of Michigan, Damon Denson, is a good pick and if
William Roberts does'nt return he may find himself starting. He seems
like a guy who can move people around.
Sedric Shaw is a great complement to Curtis Martin and hopefully will
share the load with Curtis. There are questions as to whether or not
he wants to back him up, but I think he will be sharing the load rather
than as a backup.
Well as the saying goes, "You don't know how you did in the draft until
they prove it on gameday".
Here's looking at getting back to the SB next year.
Sean
|
| 265.57 | Slow????? | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Tue Apr 22 1997 11:46 | 16 |
|
RE .54
I keep hearing conflicting reports about Canty's speed. I thought his
speed was not an issue but his size was. Some people even listed him as
having blazing speed and good closing speed to the ball. Also good ball
instincts, having alot of interceptions.
The knack on him was his cockiness, run support, and tackling.
Alot of draftniks projected him to be a better CB than alot of the
other CBs drafted before him, but people shyed away because of his
DUI incident in college.
Sean
|
| 265.58 | IOnteresting stuff | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Tue Apr 22 1997 11:58 | 8 |
| One quick note about following the draft on the net. CBS Sportsline I
think had a far better site then ESPN and the NFL's Draft Tracker. On
Thursday of last week CBS put in a ranking of players by position that
totalled almost 300 players. While watching the draft I was amazed how
accurate this was. You could watch the picks made at their site and
pull up another screen which gave a bio on the guy.
Mike
|
| 265.59 | A Broken Record | BRAT::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Tue Apr 22 1997 12:57 | 15 |
|
I heard that run-support was one of Cantys strenths? God knows
he got enough work at it. They were speaking highly of his
strength vs. the run yesterday on the radio before they interviewed
him.
Re: his cockiness. I heard the same thing but yesterday when he
was interviewed he seemed pretty down-to-earth. Of course all that
might have been a smoke screen. Terry Glenn was a cocky b--tard as well
and he turned out OK. Hopefully he'll fit in.
I still think his speed & size will be a problem.
CF
|
| 265.60 | Just wondering | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Tue Apr 22 1997 13:31 | 4 |
| CF,
Have you seen him play? Where do you get your opinions on him?
Mike
|
| 265.61 | Everyone has an opinion.... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Tue Apr 22 1997 13:44 | 13 |
|
If it was local radio, I'd be careful about what they say. They tend
to get caught up in the moment.
It's kind of funny. When you look at draftniks evaluations they always
put positives and negatives (where one or both may be overblown). And
many conflict from evaluation to evaluation. If you look at the Patriots
website they don't have any bad qualities. So who knows whos right.
All you can hope is that they pan out to your expectations.
Sean
|
| 265.62 | | MSBCS::BRYDIE | Bang! Bang! Bang! | Tue Apr 22 1997 14:20 | 13 |
|
Did anyone see KSU's bowl game against BYU last year?
Canty got toasted to a crackly crisp against some pretty
mediocre receivers and even got away with some of the
worst pass interference non-calls that I've ever seen.
I hope there's some explanation for it like he was over
confident or it was just one bad day because if that was
any indication of his real talent he won't be around long.
Personally, I wish they'd have taken a chance on Marcellus
Wiley but after last year's excellent draft, you have to
give Grier the benefit of the doubt. I've already seen the
Pats draft given a 'B' grade which isn't bad considering
where they picked.
|
| 265.63 | | BRAT::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Tue Apr 22 1997 14:31 | 43 |
|
>>>>>>>>>CF,
>>>>>>>>>Have you seen him play? Where do you get your opinions on him?
I've seen him only a few times with the limited Big 8 coverage
in the east. I did get to see the Nebraska/KState game last year
and no one on KState played particularly well (Huskers won
something like 42-3) But I do recall him making a few nice sticks
against the run. Again, though, Nebraska is a running football
team so it makes sense that he would have a lot of chances for
tackles against the run. FWIW, only Bryant Westbrook had more
tackles by a DB last year (it's impossible to tell how many were
against the run, though) Generally, these highly rated DB's do
not get a lot of passes thrown in their direction so it's
reasonable to assume a good number of his tackles came against the
run.
Other than that my exposure to him is through papers, the combine
results (which he refused to work out at, incidentally) the Net
and of course ESPN. Bobby Grier said yesterday on the radio
that he was "a 4.6 guy on grass". A lot of what I heard during
the draft was that his time of 4.45 was a once in a lifetime
shot and he averaged closer to 4.65.
Basically, my opinion on him boils down to this: A corner can make
up for not having blazing speed if he has good size, but at 5'9"
with average (at best) speed, how does he cover the better wideouts
in the league? Even a guy like Keyshawn (not even one of the better
wideouts) who is 6'3" and runs a 4.4. Canty can't play him.
Also, there is this "baiting" issue
where he gives the receiver a certain angle hoping the receiver takes
it so he can jump the throw. Good for big plays, but good to get
burned also...
Like I said I hope I'm wrong about it.
FWIW
CF
|
| 265.64 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Tue Apr 22 1997 14:41 | 18 |
|
Some are questioning Canty's speed because in individual workouts
he only broke the 4.5 barrier once (4.48). They also say because of his
size and lack of strength, he does a lot of drag tackling. Which means
in the NFL, he might not be afraid to tackle. Yet, the guy is going to
get those extra 5 yrds, before he goes down.
On one of those Sports final shows, Sunday night. Gene Lavancy had
Wil McDonough in the studio. McDonough called 3 other teams and asked
them where they had the Patriots picks on there draft board. One team
had Canty rated as the 77th pick, the other 2 had him in the 4th/5th
round. When comparing these 3 teams draft boards to who the Pats
selected, the Patriots draft looked like a D IMO. Only Shaw was rated
better then where the Pats selected him. IMO the Pats should have
selected Sam Madison or the DL the Jets took in the 2nd round, or
possible the guy from Columbia (DL) with the 29th pick. They then went
on to say, will find out in October how good the draft was or wasn't.
Ron
|
| 265.65 | | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Tue Apr 22 1997 14:59 | 4 |
| All the material I read before the draft had Canty rated the 5th or
6th best CB. Wil wouldn't be trying to tuck it to the Pats would he?
Both ESPN and CBS had the pick rated highly but we won't know who's
right until October
|
| 265.66 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Tue Apr 22 1997 15:43 | 7 |
|
Left out the fact that Gene Lavancy was in the room and on the
phone listening in. When Wil made the phone calls to other teams. They
specifically mentioned this at the beginning of the show. To let
everyone know it was legit and McDonough wasn't making it up.
Ron
|
| 265.67 | FWIW | BRAT::FORTIN_C | Worked the Bars & Sideshows..... | Tue Apr 22 1997 15:47 | 6 |
|
McDonough's mock draft from Saturdays Globe had
the Pats picking Canty as well.
CF
|
| 265.68 | Well see come game day.... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Wed Apr 23 1997 11:00 | 17 |
|
I think the reason most of the people had Canty so low on the draft board
was because of his troubles, not because of his talent. I think alot of
teams don't want to get into having to get into PR issues, as with
the Pats last year. Also after seeing what has happened with Lawerence
Phillips they may be shying away from players with problems, not
wanting to draft them in the first round and paying big bucks to have
them fighting court battles during the season. Most draft reports I read
had him about the same as Sam Madison, although I also was hoping they had
taken Sam Madison because he had overall been a more solid CB.
Anyway thier greatest need was CB and they addressed it, so thats all
they can go by. I'm sure they have talked to Canty and made him realize
he's going to have to be a model citizen from this point on.
Sean
|
| 265.69 | McPhony | BUSY::RSTPIERRE | | Wed Apr 23 1997 12:28 | 14 |
|
.66
Which teams did McDonough speak too...I take everything Will
McPhony says with a grain of salt. He's the worst kind, one who says
he has "sources" but can never name his "sources", which in turn gives
him no credibility, IMO. All he's concerned with is covering his
behind and leaving himself an escape hatch in case if one of his
"McExclusives" blows up in his face, like the one that had the Pats
going to St. Louis 2 hours before Kraft bought the team.
McDonough obviously has it out for Kraft, because he wouldn't tell
him that the Pats were going to draft Glenn last year. Kraft knew
better than to tell McDonough. It's like telling your local DEC
butt-kisser!
|
| 265.70 | | SNAX::ERICKSON | | Wed Apr 23 1997 14:23 | 7 |
| re .69,
Gene Lavancy said he knows which teams Wil McDonough talked to and
who in that organization. Neither him nor Wil would reveal the sources.
As I said in .66, Lavancy was on the phone the same time McDonough was.
Ron
|
| 265.71 | Who cares..... | PCBUOA::WALLS | | Wed Apr 23 1997 16:38 | 35 |
|
re .70
Yeah but who cares what other teams rated Canty to go in what round.
Its probably not because of Cantys talent as a CB that they rated him
so low, but probably because of his other problems.
Who knows where another team would have taken a chance on Canty? If
you want the guy because talent wise hes a first round pick and are
willing to take the chance that hes going to be a good citizen, then
fine. Otherwise if you don't want to take the chance that hes going
to be a good citizen, then you might not get him at all or at a lower
round, where he will cost less money.
Not to compare Canty with Christian Peter but Christian Peter was a
possible first rounder when he came out too. Why do you think the
Giants would bother even thinking about taking a chance on him with
all that baggage.
So whats McDonough trying to prove to us???
That his contacts are sound? So what if are? That does'nt mean that
Canty isn't worth a first round pick. Most reports said he was a
possible mid-first rounder.
Sounds more like hes trying to justify his Superbowl report. Fact is he
should stayed a reporter and never have gotten personally involved in
the whole mess between Parcells and Kraft. Seems he did more damage than
good and really made a farce out of the whole Superbowl experiance, for
fans included. Love his "timely" report.
Sean
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| 265.72 | Enough already..... | FABSIX::E_MAXWELL | The torture never stops... | Thu Apr 24 1997 05:34 | 9 |
| Re > to all the Canty talk. How did all of the other teams in the
Super Bowl last year have him rated? It sure seems that the Patriots have
a pretty good idea of how to draft and get to the big game. Doesn't it??
just my thoughts...
Lil Ed
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| 265.73 | And take Borges with him | CSLALL::BRULE | PLAY BALL | Thu Apr 24 1997 13:11 | 6 |
| RE: McDonough
Wil's in tight with the Bills, The Jets, The Steelers, The phins amd
the Giants. He has never ever passed up a chance to try and bury the
Pats. (Except for his buddy Bill) It's time for him to retire.
Mike
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