Conference rdvax::new_england_patriots

RE: .0

Yes, I think he is worth a #1 for the Jets, maybe not to a another team, but
to the Jets most definitely.  They already have good personal (almost as good
as the Pats), but hey need a coach to go in there an "make it happen".
Unfortunately, there is little evidence that Jets will have to give up anything
to get Parcells.

>> Another opinion... I don't think the Jets can afford the #1 pick of the
>> draft. I think they will see what they can get for it and make a trade.

Hess has tons of money, and NY is a big money town.  The salary cap has a
lot of holes in it.  SF won the SB in 1985, and Dallas in 1996 by paying
players through outside endorsements and salaries.

    Reading Ron Borges's column today is interesting. Bad mouths the Tuna
    BIG TIME . The intersting thing is that he says that Kraft did his
    homework and that IF Pacells decides not to coach the Pats next year
    that he won't be coaching anywhere unless the Pats get compensated. He
    quotes league sources as saying the contract is ironclad and Parcells 
    knows it. Also speculation is that compensation probably be a #2 draft
    choice and maybe another pick thrown in.
    
    Mike

    
>     Also speculation is that compensation probably be a #2 draft
>     choice and maybe another pick thrown in.
  
    This makes sense.  There's no way that the NFL is going to create 
    the kind of controversy that would result from giving up the #1 pick
    in the entire draft.
    
    
    glenn
    
                

    I agree, I can't see the commish giving away NY #1 pick, when they
    do the draft in NY....to much pressure, however, I do see him
    giving NE Ny's second round pick for compensation...So, this would
    make NE pick 29 and 31st right!!
    
    I was wodnering, when Bill leaves, will he take perkins with him???
    who else will go....Do you go to a last place team and build over the
    4 years, or if you were one of the other coaches, do you stay with
    a franchise that has the makings to be hovering around the top for 
    a while?

    The way I understand it the contracts for almost all of the assistants
    expire at the end of the week. Some will go with Parcells some will go
    elsewhere.
    
    Whoever the new Head Coach is, he will want to pick his own assistants.

    Beyond the contract squabbling lest we forget that tampering comes into
    the fray and that, along with the contractual language, could weigh in 
    Kraft's favor.
    
    I thought I heard somewhere that precedence had been set a few decades
    back when a coach was tampered with and a first round pick was
    forfeited. I believe the coach was Don Shula. Has anyone heard of this?
    
    Maj

    I heard something to that affect, however, I just read an article in
    the globe where they mention there has been no tampering with Parcells
    on this issue!

    
    	Don't know who the coach was but there was tampering at least once
    in the past, and the compensation was a 1st round pick. IMO it
    shouldn't matter what position the pick is, If you tamper with another
    teams head coach you should lose your #1.
    	The last such instance of compensation for coaches was only a
    couple of years ago. When Dom Capers went from Pittsburgh to Carolina.
    Carolina gave Pittsburgh a 2nd and 3rd round pick. Pittsburgh was
    looking for a #1 pick, but couldn't prove tampering.
    	The question Tagliabue will have to answer is does the Pats just
    receive cash money, or do they get a draft pick or multiple picks as
    Pittsburgh did. Pittsburgh only lost a defensive coordinator and got
    a 2nd and 3rd round pick. NE is loosing a head coach, who will take all
    of his assistants with him. So they are loosing an entire coaching
    staff.
    	Yes, all the assistants contracts run out this week. However if
    Parcells stayed as coach, they all would have gotten new contracts.
    
    Ron

    
    Well the Jets got the number one pick last year (Keyshaw Johnson) and
    Kotite could'nt make anything happen so I would say that a good coach
    might be worth a number one pick. Personally I think there are some
    good players on that Jets team and a good coach could turn things 
    around for them.
    
    				Sean
    

    
    Should the Pats get any draft picks and/or cash if Parcells signs on
    with the Jets as their GM/VP ? This may not be what Bill wants to do,
    but it is a way to get even with Kraft.
    
       Jim

    
    From a news clipping:
    
    	The Patriots claim that the revision gives the club the exclusive 
        right to employ Parcells for the 1997 season if he wishes to 
        continue as a head coach or in another comparable position in 
        the NFL.
    
    I'm not sure what "another comparable position in the NFL" might be 
    considered, whether its coaching or even including management. 
    
    				Sean
    

    Well, it looks like Kraft won again, there are only three choices
    I see..
    
    	1) Parcells retires for one year from coaching
    
    	2) Parcells returns as the coach of NE
    
    	3) Ne gets compensation for any team wanting to hire
    	   Parcells...
    
    I would not expect anything less than a first round choice from
    whoever wants Parcells.....Or, maybe I would take the 2nd round
    pick from the Jets this year and their 1st round choice next year
    for parcells...But Kraft holds all the cards......don't let him
    get off easy!

According to the paper this morning, Parcells CAN'T GM for the Jets, 
either. He can't work for any team in any capacity without Kraft's approval 
(i.e. mucho bucks). He could sit out a year in the broadcast booth, but I 
don't think the Jets want to do that. It's well worth it for them to give 
up a first round pick. Look what getting Parcells did for the Pats' ticket 
sales.

Tom

    A reporter for one of the New York rags was quoted as saying the Jets
    were willing to deal for Parcells. They were going to offer next years
    #1 and a #2 and a #3 from this years draft. If I were Kraft I wouldn't
    take anything less because of the following.
        
    Don Shula was worth a #1 back when he went from the Colts to Miami 
    and because it's obvious there was tampering add in the #2 and #3 it
    cost the Panthers when they contacted Capers before they were suppose 
    to. 
    
    WBZ reorted this A.M. That the commish is upset about this whole
    thing and told the Jets and Pats he wanted this done by Friday.
    Mike

>>  The Jets....were going to offer next years
>>  #1 and a #2 and a #3 from this years draft.

That's a deal I would accept.  With the Jets' #2 draft (maybe even #3) and
our (the Pats') #1 draft, we could trade up high enough the get Orlando Pace.
According to Terry Glenn, his Ohio State teammate, Pace is a totally dominating
tackle.  IMHO, We could then move Max Lane to the guard position.  That would
be a pretty good OL for both pass protection and run blocking.

A problem for the Jets is that they don't know if Payton Manning is going to
be eligible for this draft or not.  Other than some friends of his father,
have any NFL scouts said that his arm is strong enough for the NFL?

    From an article I read. Works for me...
    
    We're going to miss Bill Parcells. In 28 years here, We've never enjoyed 
    anything of the genre more than all those chatty Tuna Talks. We're 
    going to miss him because he brought excitement to this town.
       He came to Boston to do a job and he leaves almost having done it. 
    Almost. He leaves the Patriots in a better state than he found them, 
    and for that, he deserves a tremendous amount of credit. He leaves by
    forfeiting a good chance to finish the job, and for that, he deserves a
    tremendous amount of censure, if only because he exits as a hypocrite
    of the first order.
       Why can't Parcells ever allow an owner to enjoy a Super Bowl in
    peace? Is Bill Parcells a great coach? Absolutely. Is he a complicated 
    man who doesn't always practice what he preaches? No question. So he's
    all yours, Jets. He's a great show, and now he can write, produce,
    direct and star, just the way he likes it. 
    
    
    //BD

I was listening to a local sports talk show last night and a caller had a 
great idea for a TT (Tuna Trade).  The Jets send us their 2nd round pick
this year (31st overall) and their 1st round pick next year (should be middle
of the pack somewhere) AND a two-year moratorium on signing Patriot players.
The Pats only have one or two Free Agents this year that they might like to 
keep (Slade being one of them), but next year they will have a lot more
(McGinnest being one).  This moratorium means that Parcells cannot "raid"
the Pats of players that he will most likely go after without it.

I think the caller said that Dan Duquette had to make a similar deal with
the Expos in order for them to allow him to come to the Sox.

-D

re: .17

	The Pats and Jets can't negotiate a moratorium on signing
	NE free agents.  That would be a violation of the collective
	bargaining agreement. 

	What happend with Duquette and the Expo's was an agreement not
	to take any Montreal front office people (not unionized) and
	then what happened by design was that any Montreal/Boston
	*trades* got an extra look by Montreal ownership.  There was no
	deal about free agents.  In fact, didn't the Sox have a verbal
	agreement with Wettelend before something related to the strike
	killed it?

	TD

    <---- RE: .16
    
    May I ask what/who the source of the article is? 
    Was it a local sports writer, national, or was it an article
    by an entertainment/media writer, or worse a political pundit?
    I read your post of the article, and I can only say that the
    writer has succumbed to what everyone else in the print media
    is suspect to. That is, being too quick to criticize in a non-
    -constructive way.
    That writer has no way of being able to get inside Parcells head
    and determine why he has chosen to leave, or whether he (Parcells)
    even considers that he hasn't finished the job *he* intended, not
    what the print media considers what his goal was in coming to the
    Patriots, or whether he did or didn't finish the job. It's all a
    matter of perception, not fact. Until Bill Parcells gets up in front
    of reporters and tell reporters why he did what he did, everything
    written is pure conjecture on what his intentions were. Short of
    that, the media is simply making presumptions on the goings on between
    Parcells and Kraft. The article simply presents a perspective, and
    should be taken in that context.
    
    
    BTW: While typing this, I just heard on NPR that Parcells, has
    announced that he will not coach in the NFL next year, choosing
    to sit out the season.
    
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    ESPN reports that Parcells resigned as the Pats coach but said he
    didn't know what he was going to do. Kraft supposedly has a press
    conference this afternoon.
    
    Mike

    Associated Press, 01/31/97; 11:55 
    
                        Parcells' resignation came two days after NFL
                        commissioner Paul Tagliabue ruled that the
                        coach's contract with the Patriots prohibits him
                        from working for another NFL team next
                        season unless the Patriots give permission. 
    
                        The New York Jets, who want Parcells to
                        succeed Rich Kotite as their coach next season,
                        talked with Patriots officials on Thursday. The
                        Patriots would like a compensation package for
                        Parcells to include the top pick in the draft,
                        although it's highly unlikely that will happen. 
    
                        Choosing his words carefully when asked if he
                        would coach in the NFL next season if the Jets
                        and Patriots reached an agreement, Parcells
                        said, ``I know zero about what's going to come
                        my way.'' 
    
                        Parcells read aloud from a letter he had given to
                        Kraft, then thanked fans and players for
                        supporting him. Parcells took the team from last
                        place to the Super Bowl in four seasons. 
    
                        He said he and Kraft had parted on decent
                        terms. 
    
                        ``We just have a little philosophical difference
                        and Bob owns the team and he has every right
                        to run the team any way he wants,'' Parcells
                        said. 
    

It looks like Pete Carroll (sp?) will be selected as the Pat's head coach. It
also looks like Bill Belichek may be tapped as the head coach for the Jets,
keeping the seat warm for Parcells the following year. It sounds as if Parcells
is going to sit out the year, possibly in the broadcast booth. I heard all this
on WBZ radio this morning.

Jim

RE: .19

I believe the article was penned by Bob Ryan...not that I feel good about the
diatribes he launches into from time to time, but he's certainly not a sports
neophyte.

dave

    I just listened to the Bill Bellechik  (sp) conference with the Jets
    
    apparently, Bill will be the interim coach for the jets until parcells
    is able to walk in, this could be a week, month, or whenever, but no
    later than feb 1st of 1998....In the meantime, Bill Parcells has been
    hired on to the JETS as a consultant to the team...he will consult 
    on players, moves etc..but will not hold a GM, coach etc title..Bill P
    will have no final say in any of the day to day operations, just be a 
    consultant to the team......I find this very strange....Also, they
    had Bill pArcells phoned in at the conference o take questions after
    bellichek was done.....Somehow something is wrong with this picture!
    
    

    The Jets indeed have hired Belichick as the head coach. What's
    interesting is that he openly says that Parcells will work with him as
    a consultant. I thought Parcells was told he can't work for any other
    team, in any capacity, other than the Patroits.

    Tell me that this doesn't reek of tampering. What the heck is a
    consultant but another word for COACH.
    
    If I'm Bob Kraft I'd be right on the horn to Tagliabue, along with my
    lawyer's (is Johnny Cochran available?) and DEMAND compensation for
    this move.
    
    I would not want to be Tagliabue...anyone want to sell me a couple of
    tix to the 1998 Jets-Pats game at Foxborough?
    
    Talk about heating up.....this is not just sports news but newsworthy
    of lead story material on the 6 P.M. news.
    
    Maj 

   Absolultely predictable!

   Even if Tagliabue nixes the "arrangement", Parcells will still
   voice his preferences. All he really needs to do for this season
   is to get the right personnel in place, beit coaches, free agents
   and draft picks. And that will surely happen.

   Score one victory for the Jets.

    
    	The NFL will issue a statement later in the day, according to
    ESPNet Sportszone.
    	Tagliabue should award the Pats with the #1 pick, and Fatso should
    be suspended for making a joke out of the whole situation.
    

    
    	Where's Will "the big phony" McDonough been???
    

    re:   Absolultely predictable!
    
       Even if Tagliabue nixes the "arrangement", Parcells will still
       voice his preferences. All he really needs to do for this season
       is to get the right personnel in place, beit coaches, free agents
       and draft picks. And that will surely happen.
    
       Score one victory for the Jets.
    =====================================================================
    
    
    Can you say 'Tampering Charges'? By the time the Jets are done
    Kraft will own the Jets, too.  
    
    Score one for the Pats.
    
    
                                 
    

  It's all based on Parcells's contract with the Patriots. What
  "tampering" are you referring too ? Parcells won't coach. He
  won't be the GM. He won't be involved in the day-to-day operations
  of the team. He's abidding by the contract.

  I doubt the Jets can be that stupid (well maybe not :-) to initiate
  such a bold incentive without 1st getting their lawyers to find the
  loopholes in Parcells contract. 

  And they did. Kraft pissed off the wrong person.

    
    
    Where in ESPNnet Sportszone are you referring to?

    
    .32
    
    	It was about 3/4's of the way down in the lead story about
    Belichick getting hired.  I looked it up about an hour ago.  The Pats
    had "no comment".
    

    re. 29
    
    It is interesting that Will McDonough does seem to have temporarily
    disappeared. His normal Pro Football column in the Sunday Globe was
    replaced by a "Pro Football" column by Nick Carfardo which was just a
    chronology of last week's events.
    
    I sent a letter to the Globe's Ombudsman last week questioning whether
    McDonough had been functioning as a reporter for the Globe or as a
    shill for Parcells.
    
    Today's developments with Parcells and Bellichek are really interesting.
    It just shows anything involving Parcells or New York is never subtle.
    Maybe the Jets are trying to force Tagliabue to become involved on the
    theory ( which apparently Tagliabue has already gave credence to last
    week ) that a Super Bowl team should not end up with the first overall
    pick in the Draft.
    

McDonough is on vacation.  Someone asked Bob Ryan of the Globe about
this last night on WEII.  Bob said that Will had already scheduled this
as his vacation time.

    
    .34
    
    	Super Bowl team to have #1 pick...what's wrong with that if the
    team holding the #1 pick hijacked your coach??  This has been in the
    works for a year and is an obvious sign of tampering...I say this and
    I'M A JETS FAN
    
    

    
    	The Jets are gambling that Tagliabue will not grant the Pats the
    #1 pick in the draft. Reason, Tagliabue is already on record as saying
    he doesn't believe a Super Bowl team should get the #1 pick. Either
    that if he does give the Pats the #1 pick, Leon Hess can tell the
    NY Media that it was Tabliabue and not him. Look for this one to end
    up in court. If it does the Jets are also probably guessing that a
    court date won't be done before the draft. So they keep the #1 pick
    until the court's decide.
    
    Ron

    This gets curiouser by the day.  I don't pretend to be a lawyer, but I
    thought the Patriots owned the rights to Parcells NFL services for the
    next year.  If consulting to another [different] team than the one that
    retains your rights isn't a violation of that agreement, I'm confused.
    
    I hope Bill gets to coach the Jets.  I harbor no ill will against him,
    and will always be grateful for the job he did while he was here. [Til
    the Pats play his Jets, of course!]  But if he's going to do that, I
    hope the appropriate parties can sort it out so that each gets a fair
    return on whatever agreement they come to.
    
    At this point, I think Bill is wrong, and will be told that he's wrong. 
    But maybe the Jets and Bill have chosen to come to shove over push.
    
    	Ted

    Didn't I read somewhere over the weekend that the Jets asked for
    permission to talk to Parcells and Kraft said sure...once compensation
    matters are settled.
    
    The Jets went ahead and tampered by contacting Parcells.
    
    Tagliabue would prefer to stay out of this dispute let the two parties
    handle the problem.
    
    If I'm Tag I'm somewhat disappointed (read that totally ticked off) and
    somehow need to slap the Jets for their actions. I think I would do one
    of the following:
    
       - Slap a fine on the Jets and switch the NE/NY draft slots for round
         #1.
    
       - Slap a fine on the Jets and give them the option of sending either
         their first round draft pick or trade a player of choice to the
         Patriots for their number one pick.
    
    As Commissioner Tag must regain credibility...what would Rozelle do?
    
    Maj
    

The following won't happen because the first prerequisite to being a
commissioner in the 90's is to have your spine removed.  But, since the
Pats were requesting a first round draft pick - they should receive the Jets
next three  first round draft picks.  Courts of law use the 3X formula for
punitive damages caused by pain and suffering.  Fans of NE are certainly in
Pain&suffering mode.

    
    Tagliabue has asked for the contracts of both Belichick and Parcells,
    according to ESPNet Sportszone.
    
    

    as of right now, Bill Parcells "consultant" job with the jets is on
    hold..he can not perform any services for the Jets until Tag reviews
    the contract for both Bill's...

    I think what you're going to see is both sides will have to "give"
    a little. Tagliabu is thinking what's best for the NFL. He most
    probably will want the two sides to "make your best a deal" that does NOT 
    include a 1st round pick for NE. Parcells would then assume the role of 
    head coach.
     
      If, however, Kraft can prove tampering was done by the Jets, all
    bets are off and a stiffer ruling would go against them which *could* 
    include a 1st round pick and who knows what else. 
    
      The Jets also are claiming tampering, but I don't think they can make
    it stick. 
    
    According to a couple Boston sports lawyers, including Harry
    [something], who represented Danny Ainge, Bird and others, this is
    an obvious and flagerant breech of contract pure and simple. The
    Pats still have EXCLUSIVE rights to Bill Parcells services for 1997.
    Any team wishing to even talk to Parcells MUST get permission from
    the Pats.  
    
    
     Well weeeee'l see. Stay tuned
    
    /BD
    
    
             

    The thing that bothers me is why Tagliabue has requested the contracts
    of Parcells and Belicheck (spelling?). He must not think it was a
    tampering issue because he would not need to see the contract as its
    obviouse that the Jets talked to Parcells since he now works for them.
    So somehow it must have been O.K. for the Jets to talk to Parcells.
    I think since he wants to review the wording then there is a chance
    that he will allow this farce to stand. If he does I'll hate him
    forever. (I would boycott waching the NFL but i like it to much)
    
    Leo

    
      Supposedly from Bob Lobel tonight at 6:PM news he stated that
    Tagliabue had known Monday evening prior to the press release on 
    Tuesday that Parcells was going to be a consultant, also that he's
    going to allow it to stand since he needs the New York market, he's
    hoping that Kraft will back down alittle so that he needn't get 
    involved. Looks like the deck is stacked against Kraft and the Patriots
    with Tagliabue sitting in Hess's back pocket. I'd like to see Kraft 
    continue to fight it out, don't give in just because that s what they 
    would prefer. Parcells is under contract legally so if need be go to 
    court and tie both Parcells, Hess and Tagliabue up for awhile, be a
    major distraction to keep them from running their operations with ease
    for awhile.....
    
    3M

    I  just don't get it. How the heck can Tagliabu and without even
    talking to Kraft, rule that Parcells can go to work for a
    competitor while the Pats have "exclusive rights" to him for '97
    as it states in the contract. I would think Kraft should get 
    compensation even for this, never mind the coaching issue. This 
    sounds like a real sleeze move to me. I'm not a  lawyer, but I 
    think Kraft has a legitimate gripe here.
    
    //BD  
    

	There seems to be two major points of contention around
	Parcells and his contract. The first involves what postion
	he can assume with the Jets and the second is whether the
	Jets are guilty of tampering.

	Regarding the first, Parcells is 'contractually prohibited
	from serving as coach or comparable position' unless it's
	with the Patriots or the Patriots are compensated. Tagliabue
	is determining whether the 'consultants' title fails under
	the 'comparable position' part. Apparently the Jets
	contacted league offices for a list of postions Parcells
	could not take and 'consultants' was not listed. In all
	likelyhood it's just a ploy by the Jets to circumvent paying
	the Patriots compensation but it would be very hard to prove.

	The second issue around tampering is unresolved. There's
	already some counter charges that the Patriots could be
	guilty of tampering as well in hiring Carroll. Probably
	just muddying the water stuff at this point.

	There'll be a fair effort to workout some sort of compensation
	avoid the whole mudsling mess. It depends how personal the
	thing has become and how much is public posturing. A deal being
	talked about down there (accuracy unknown) is Glenn, and two
	seconds (or a second and next years first) for Parcells. He's
	free to coach and tampering charge(s) get dropped.
                                                     

    Wouldn't the 49ers have to claim tampering charges against the Patriots
    before such charges would be judged by the NFL Commissioner's office?
    
    With all this nonsense I'm thinking that Tagliabue will let Parcells
    stay as a consultant and give the Patriots the Jets #1 pick in the 
    '98 draft.
    
    This will mean that Parcells CANNOT COACH or perform any coaching
    duties for the '97 season.
    
    If I'm Kraft I'd be content with that...Parcells is kept from coaching
    for one year and I still get a #1 pick albeit a year later.
    
    Maj

    Tagliabue has previously stated that he does not think it is
    appropriate for a Super Bowl team to get the Number 1 overall pick in
    the Draft.
    
    The TV contracts are coming up for renewal. The NFL wants as strong a
    prescence in the New York market as possible ( particularly since there
    is currently no presecence in the #2 LA market )
    
    On the other side the Jets and Parcells have pulled a host of
    shenanigans that need to squelched if the league is to have stability
    and integrity.
    
    Tagliabue will try to force a compromise based on the conflicting
    interests above. The idea that has been floated in NY of two # 2's plus
    Aaron Glenn sounds close to the likely outcome to me. In returns the
    Jets get Parcells on the sidelines in 97

    
    	Take the Jets #2 this year, take Glenn....and give them the Tuna...
    who cares. Oh yeah, give Otis back too....
    
    

    Trade Otis for Glenn and #2 and Parcells can be the Jet guru...I can
    handle that.
    
    Maj

Billy Parcells has just signed a 6 year pack with the Jets.  I believe it is
for 4 years as their coach and another two years as something I didn't quite
catch (VP??).  I believe the contact is for something like 20 million (maybe
wrong about that.

IMHO, Re: *.49 - Tagliabue ment that the SB team should not be "awarded"
the Number 1 overall.  I don't think he'd be conserned if the Jets gave
NE the pick (Ha, like that's going to happen).

Also, if I were the Pats I won't accept Glenn.  The Jets are going to get rid
of him anyways.

    
    
    Re: -.1
    
    I agree
    
    
    Aaron Glenn is something like 5'10" 180 Lbs.....not the Tuna's
    idea of a CB....Parcells likes the Ty Law type, run-support
    corners.  I would not expect the Jets to make a concerted effort 
    to retain Glenns services.
    
    		CF

    
    
      I would take Hugh Douglas (not Aaron Glen) and Jets #2 pick (#31
    overall) for Parcells.

    
    
    That's tampering!
    
    
    8^)

    
    The Jets won't have to give up NOTHING......Parcells wants to stick it
    to Kraft.....plain and simple.   The consultant job is an hourly based
    job,  therfore not considered compatible to what the Patriots contract
    states,  plus in the New York paper it states loopholes in the
    contract.
    Also Ness is filing charges of tampering in New York so if Kraft
    conters all the proceedings will be in New York.....case closed
    Kraft the LOOSER and Parcells the winner....AGAIN!!!!
    
    Pats get NOTHING......only other is the Jets offer there #2 pick
    for Parcells this year, case closed.....take it or leave it....
    
    let the games begin...../Westy
    

>     "The Jets won't have to give up NOTHING"

      Yup, must be a Jets fan. 

> catch (VP??).  I believe the contact is for something like 20 million (maybe

  Anything short of 4 Jet super bowls then Hess got ripped off.

  I hear Parcells is really the 2nd coming of christ. No %hit. Or at
  least, that's how the N.Y. media projects him.

    I have a feeling that Kraft will get a #2 pick this and next year.
    
    Maj

    hey, if I was kraft, I would just say screw this whole deal...You can
    keeo your picks and you can have parcells as a consultant...No coaching
    on sidelines, practices etc....And then I would hold tagilabue with
    monitoring the consutling contract forn the hours or days it is
    suppose to be.....anything outside that boundry "courts issue"
    
    
    we all know ONE things, the tuna HAS TO COACH..so tell him he can't
    coach for the year will be impossible for him NOT TO DO....
    he will breeech the contract in time!!!

    Well, Parcells was worth 4 picks.  As I recall from WBZ radio, a 3rd
    and a 4th this year, a 2nd next year, and a first the following year. 
    And Bill gets to coach THIS year.  Fair enuf.
    
    Also, Ray Perkins was hired by the Raiders.  Good luck to them.  So we
    lost both Parcells and Perkins, so that piece of it is a wash - at
    least to me.
    
    	Ted

    All I can say is that I'm getting a lot of practice this year....
    
    ...obviously I'm rooting against the Dallas Mavs...
    
    ....and when the games begin in September I'll be rooting against the
    Jets.
    
    Also...who would you rather have making your 3rd round pick...Bobby
    Grier or Bill Parcells?
    
    There's something else that maybe not too many people have thought
    about. When Parcells was coaching the NY Giants it was George Young who 
    built that team. When Parcells came to NE he brought some of those NY
    Giants players to plug in some holes. Sure those guys might have been
    past their peak but they still had a bit of quality play in them. Over
    the next few years with the Jets he may try the same thing. Well those
    Giants players may be in their mid 30s and may not have anything left.
    
    As far as bringing over some Patriot players....we'll see about that.
    
    Anyone know where I can pick up a Jets voodoo doll?
    
    Maj

    When I first heard the report on what Tag did, I was pissed that he 
    caved in to the Jets, however, after reading reports and evaluating
    the picks, I must now give tag some credit...he thought about the
    patriots future, which I didn't....he said that he needs to compensate
    NE for bill, and he also wanted to look at the future of NE....he said
    that 2-3 years from now, NE will be looking at rebuilding again, and
    with the two first round picks, they can do that..contracts will be
    ending and this will give NE a chance to continue to build...Plus
    this slaps NY hard at this time with NO 1st round pick in 99...
    
    so my calculation look like this..
    
    NE gets 9 picks this year in the draft, NY gets  5
    
    NE will have made 6 picks prior to NY making their 3rd pick
    
    NE picks : 29, 59, 61, 89, 91, 119  so on
    NY picks  1  31                    121  so on...
    
     Next year NE will have 3 picks in the first two rounds, NY will have 1
    
    and then the year after, NE will have two picks in the 1st round, NY 0
    
    so looking at this, I think Jets paid a hefty sum?

    What Kraft ended up getting to me is incredible. Think about it. For
    having Bill Parcell's coach one year sooner then he contractually could
    he will receive 4 prime picks. And the Jets will not have them. Tag
    must have agreed without saying it that there was tampering. 
    If Parcells rebuilds the Jets at the same rate he rebuilt the Pats next
    years #2 pick would be in the top half of the draft. And the #1 pick
    would be around the #20 pick. This has got to be the most draft picks
    the Pats have received since the 2 #1 and #2 picks they got for
    Plunkett.
    
    Mike 

I betcha that with the Jets retaining the #1 pick that Peyton Manning decides
to stay in school next year in the hopes of playing with a more southern team.

Also, I wonder if the Pats could trade away a number of those picks to move
up high enough to get Orlando Pace.  I wonder how high up NE would have to
go to get him?

Jets will draft Pace.....



_sbn

    Steve,
    
    I thought the same thing about Manning but didn't his father Archie say
    that his son would like to play for someone like Parcells?
    
    The real loser in all of this was the Saints.
    
    Maj

Maj,

>>  I thought the same thing about Manning but didn't his father Archie say
>>  that his son would like to play for someone like Parcells?

I didn't hear that, but it may be true.  I just figured that Archie being
an "Old Miss" and Saints alums, plus his son going to Tennesse he would have
preferred a southern team.  But I agree, the Saints are the real losers in
this.  

Question: Does a 1-15 team with no 3 and 4 round drafts, pick a OT as the
          first pick overall?
  

    
    
    Manning still has to declare!  He hasn't yet, although with a
    NY team w/ the #1 pick, he may opt for the money, which would
    be considerably more than the package Keyshawn got last year.
    
    I remember hearing on ESPN a commentary about how Manning really
    wants to win the Heisman, not to mention a National Championship,
    so it's far from a no-brainer that he is coming out.  
    
    If he stays put, then Pace is the pick.
    
    
    CF

I know this isn't the Jets notefiles, but I can't help wondering what's
going on in NY/NJ.  A list of the Jets coaching assingments follows:

>New York Jets -- Named Bill Belichick assistant head coach and
>secondary coach, Ron Erhardt quarterbacks and special assistant
>coach, Pat Hodgson tight ends coach, Al Groh linebackers coach,
>Romeo Crennel defensive line coach, Eric Mangini defensive
>assistant and quality control coach, Mike Sweatman special teams
>coach, Bill Muir offensive line coach, Charlie Weis wide
>receivers coach, Maurice Carthon running backs coach and Carl
>Banks director of player development...

Some curious stuff here.  No defensive nor offensive coordinators!
Erhart is being paid 1 million to be QB coach, and Grogh is just the
LB coach.  And "quality control coach" sounds like something out of Dilbert.