Conference quokka::non_custodial_parents

    It wasn't brought up that I know of as a motive, but I bet he gets a 
    fight from her family over custody of the kids.
    fred();

    Can't be a whole lot the family can do, which is sad.  Someone
    pointed out to me that he's been proven to be an abuser, how could
    he get those kids?...
    
    a.  This file has educated me on the "abuse" issue.  Spousal abuse
     does not necessarily mean child abuse and it seems they are being
     treated differently more and more.  
    
    b.  He was NOT on trial for the abuse incident, he was on trial for 
      murder.  He has not really been found guilty of abuse, and now,
      not guilty on the murder.
    
    I just feel for those poor kids.  I would rather see my child grow
    up without either parent, then to have to live with a parent that
    my child will most likely question the rest of their lives.  That is,
    when they are older - they are going to have to live with this and
    come to a decision of their own.   It may be they believe this man
    running free deprived them of their mom, and the hate could just 
    fester and fester.   Those poor kids....
    			
    						cj *->

   re. -1   (killed the rest of my answer - oops!)
    
    I think what I was trying to say, they are going to have to live
    with this in their past and someday are going to have to come down
    on one side of the fence.  Imagine, as an adolescent, living with
    a man you believe murdered your mom.  My heart aches for those kids.
    
    						cj *->

    But, O.J. was found not guilty of killing his ex and her beau. And
    yes, spousal abuse might have been more of what O.J. should be on trial
    for. But, then again, dead men/women tell no lies. And if ET was to go
    back in its film log. They might show that Nichole was no princess
    either. Both have a drug/booze problem. 
    
    Bottom line, dead men tell no lies, and we will never really know what
    really went on behind the closed doors of their relationship. 
    
    The kids, will get along as all kids do in divorces with on of the
    parents gone. O.J. will get from under alimony, perhaps go on with his
    life. And a new stake in the ground will be pulling apart the nation
    with the deeper lines of spoucial abuse, race tensions, and life in the
    light of L.A.P.D..... 
    
    

    
    Much has been made of the "race card" that was played by the defense,
    but nothing has been said of the "gender card" played by the
    prosecution.  As hard as the prosecution tried, the "abuse" issue seems 
    to not have figured in the jury's decision (although most of the jurors 
    were women).  Why?  Could it be credibility?  Could it be that the
    women on the jury don't buy the sugar-and-spice-and-everything-nice
    that the men-hate groups would like everyone to believe women are?

    We heard the "911" tape over and over.  There was one tape that I only
    heard once.  It was a tape made by one of the officers during one of
    the calls to O.J.'s.  On the tape, O.J. was heard to say, "She knows
    I don't dare hit her.  I've already been in trouble for that once.
    So when she comes at me like that, all I can do is cover my face and
    groin and try to weather the storm".  

    fred();

    
    Btw.  One of our family friends is a social worker in the child abuse
    and protection department.  As such I've seen child after child removed
    from the family because of abuse/neglect by the _mother_.  Only to see
    them returned to the mother after "counseling".

    fred();

    
    One more.  Whenever you hear of these child abuse cases on the news,
    take note as to how many of these charges are against the father and
    how many are against the step-fathers or mother's boyfriend.  I think
    you will be rather surprised by the results.

    fred();

    And, how many charges are brought by the mother after the father leaves
    her and she wants to "pay" him back, by keeping the kids from him.
    
    Roberta

    Those not using "next unseen" to read through these notes may want to 
    check out 214.1.  It fits under that topic better.
    
    fred()

    A&T captured a good line for the O.J. trails... 'It was a trial of
    public opions vs facts."
    
    

    RE .5
    
    I don't believe any of this has to do with the decision made.  Your
    argument makes it sound like "the women on the jury {know all women
    aren't nice}", meaning - what???  That perhaps they feel because
    sometimes she may have attacked O.J, she deserved to ambushed and
    brutally murdered?  Or that somehow there is some justification?
    Maybe self defense???????   Do you honestly beleive that went through
    their minds??  
    						cj *->

    
        re .11

    No, but there seem to be many who believe that because he supposedly
    abused her then he should be convicted of murder, which is what the
    prosecution attempted to get the jury to think just as the  defense
    wanted the jury to think he was innocent because he was black.  It
    didn't work.  The foreman of the jury said, "The abuse business was 
    a waste of time.  This is a trial about murder.  If you want a trial
    on abuse then go into court for abuse".

    fred();

    This was REALLY a trail of opions. And prosuction has its adjenda
    that O.J. was a rasputian, and defence was he was an inocent man, but
    the media had him guilty from the moment he was cuffed.
    
    The dead become martered, the living becomes villinized, the world
    becomes lost in the debate of it. Prosuction has a vast wealth of power
    on its side besides the police, the FBI, and any other goverment
    agencies that have to be paid out of pocket by the defence. Normally,
    under the conditions of our fast food like justice systems, O.J. would
    be sniffing gas or taking some electrons for juice. But, because he has
    money, he was able to get out from under it. Which says that the
    justice system for the common man, isnt a level playing field. Got some
    $5-10 million in you back pocket for legal fees?
    
    The hat don't fit, the gloves dont fit, the blood samples dont match.
    And O.J. is guilty because he and his ex fought. And we dont know what
    kind of an angle Nicole is/isnt because we were not there. 

    .... and they could not find the murder wepon so he must be guilty!

    
    Sorry to say it people but I believe he is innocent...
    
    Who is to say that Nicole didn't provoke OJ into hitting her (not
    to say that I condone battering because I don't) but how much can one
    person put up with before they lose it.
    
    As far as anybody knows the killer could have been Kato or Mark Fuhrman
    and Ron Goldman at the wrong place at the wrong time.
    
    				Carol

    Yes, I agree, he really could be innocent, and in rebuttal to some
    previous notes about his 'poor kids' having to know their father killed
    their mother.  What about the brainwashing those kids have probably
    been given against their father while with Nicole's family this past
    year?  
    
    Sharon

    If I worded my "poor kids" memo improperly, sorry.  What I had
    thought I had said, was if at some point they decide their father
    did do it, that would be a tough situation to live with.  Do any
    of us know if someone is sitting and saying, "Daddy's bad, he
    killed Mommy???".  No, I don't think we do.  My point, I tried to
    make, was in reference to the day when these kids have minds of
    their own and where they land.  Should, say the son, some day 
    review all this and decide his Dad was guilty, it would be a bitter
    pill.    
    
    If they should decide their Daddy was innocent and Grammy and Grampy
    said all those terrible things (going on an "assumption" none of us 
    can really make, however..)  about him, can cause it's own package of 
    problems.  I know of two people, one being myself, that has had to
    wrangle with parental/grandparent conflicts.   Who do you believe?
    Whatever you decide, you hurt your loyalty to the other.  
    
    We can only speculate what is or is not said to them, and we have no
    foundations for any conclusions we draw.  I'm just trying to say I
    feel real bad for those two kids and their future.  The are the second
    set of victims in this trial.
    
    							cj *->