Conference quokka::non_custodial_parents

    They don't look the problem. The courts don't look and don't give a
    dam. And I have case material to prove it. But who is going to listen?
    You can write your congress(person), you can go on TV, you can protest
    till the cows come home. But the bottom line is that your a walking
    walet and thats that! And the ex's beau will have better visitation
    with your children than you. And he might not even give a dam about
    them either. 

        I think that the biggest problem is not with the courts, the
    legislature, or with women.  The problem is with _men_.  Men who
    remain silent at best and side with the status-quo at worst.
    Men who don't speak up, don't fight back, don't organize into 
    organizations that have some political clout.  Men who don't believe
    it will happen to them, men who don't even know it _can_ happen to
    them, men who are afraid to speak up for fear of being called names
    by the feminists, et al, men who are afraid that taking the man's
    side for fear of irritating the little woman, men for whom the fight
    is too late to do them personally any good, and men who just do not
    have the emotional capacity to carry on the fight.

    Another part of this problem is THE CHILDREN STUPID.  The forced
    separation of family members was supposed to have gone out with 
    the Emancipation Proclamation.  Now they just call it No-Fault 
    Divorce.  The argument must be made for the Children's Rights
    as well as the NCP rights.

    BTW FWIW: Newt Gingrich(sp) is an NCP.
    
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    re .1

    Actually it's worse than that.  In Pueblo, Colorado in the last couple
    years there have been three cases of a woman killing her
    husband/boyfriend in a "domestic violence" incident.  _ALL_ three of
    those cases had the charges dropped because "she must have been
    defending herself against his attack".  On the other hand a man who
    killed his wife recently is setting in jail charged with murder-one.

    A few years back there was a nationally noted case where a woman
    hired two men to shot-gun her husband when he came home one night.
    The feminist groups trashed the D.A. and judge for daring to 
    prosecute her.  Only the fact that the dead man was a police 
    officer sent her to jail, and the D.A. had to reduce the charges
    to get that.

    When I pointed this out on a local radio call-in show recently I 
    got thoroughly trashed. 

    This deadly game has been set up to help keep women and children off
    welfare......This is the only game the judges are playing, get the money 
    from the husband if the wife doesn't work.  Get it from both, but mostly 
    from the husband if the wife does work!   They will go easier on women
    because they don't want the womens vocal groups on their cases. 
    
    The Government is in trouble and are cutting any programs they can,.
    they do not wish to pay Aid for Dependent Children when they can more
    easily charge this back to the fathers of the children,  and this
    is the politicians way around it.  They would rather have a few hundred
    thousand fathers (a very silent crowd) angry at them, then to have a
    few dozen very loud womens groups with good media coverage, or all of
    the registered voters who must pay for the AFDC and welfare with their
    taxes.  
    
    This is what you guys are up against, and I can't see this changing
    right away, they have spent millions and millions of dollars to put a
    huge electonic system in place to catch non-payers and seize
    their money and assets with the governments permission.  This is
    supposed to apply to either men or women, but since they still have the
    old laws on the books, women usually get the kids.  This is why this is
    hurting men more then women.....that and the fact that women don't make
    nearly as much money as men (still).  I suspect it would be easier to
    lobby for equal pay for women then to try and change what is being done
    to men by the states and the federal government!  And this will
    continue to be the case as long as the U.S. citizens are screaming
    about the huge pay outs of welfare and other programs that are
    currently paying for women with children who have no child support
    being paid by an exhusband.  This is a purely political battle you are
    all embroiled in, and the politicians just don't care about the
    husbands problems.  That is, not unless you can figure another angle
    that will put the politicians between a rock and a hard place that is
    more threatening to their careers then women's groups and/or citizens 
    for government reform, who don't want to pay for all this, and vote
    accordingly!
    
    Now, do we have any original plans which might reverse this ugly
    political situation?????
    
    

    The plan is pretty simple. In a few months. When political machine
    starts to roll.... people will be calling upon you to find out your
    views.... let them know. Also join and support you local fathers
    groups. Let people know. 
    
    There are men and women who do give a rats butt and they are in
    political offices.... And when they start to look for your vote... let
    them know...... 

    
    re .5 ditto.
    
    Those who live in New Hampshire and Iowa will soon get to make a 
    major impact on input to the presidential candidates, and the political
    climate is ripe for putting fathers back in families.  
    
    Questions I would like to see asked since I am not one of those
    who live in NH or IA:
    
    1) If the government is willing to put children in orphanages, why
       not give them to the parent that _is_ capable of providing for
       them?
    2) What's the difference in a man who won't work and pay child support
       and a woman who won't work and collects welfare?
    
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