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167.1 | Sounds all to familiar to me...... | TROOA::AKERMANIS | ԥ� | Wed Oct 30 1991 18:15 | 25 |
| Hi Steve,
Your ex sounds just like mine, we had agreed to live part for a week to see how
we felt, 10 nano seconds later, the locks had been changed on the house. Your
pattern sounds just all to close to home for me, but can't put my finger on
anyone thing, since too many things are going on.
The best advice other than a good lawyer, is document, document, document every
thing that is going on, visitations, phone calls, your kids comments, your ex's
comments, anything that may prove useful to identify a pattern to a judge.
The worst mistake I made was being to nice to my ex and being reasonable when
the same was not being returned (mind you keep civil, you should appear to be
the reasonable one). You'll crash and burn and end up living below the poverty
line (if you can live at all). I get the feeling your ex will take you for
everything she can from the sounds of it. You seem to be ending up with less and
less, again, sounds familiar.
Shop around, there are some good lawyers out there, but beware, there are a few
that are real 'beep' 'beep' one's too. The latter will just pick you clean and
you get nothing for all the dollars you have paid out.
Good luck,
John
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167.2 | | RIPPLE::KENNEDY_KA | Counting down! | Wed Oct 30 1991 19:20 | 5 |
| Steve,
I don't have any advice for you, but you have my support. I'm truly
sorry you are going through this.
Karen
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167.3 | | AIMHI::RAUH | Home of The Cruel Spa | Thu Oct 31 1991 08:10 | 9 |
| One smart move:
1. UNDER NO EXCUSE AT ANY LEVEL. DO NOT GO INTO THE MARRITAL HOME
UNLESS YOU HAVE AN O.K. FROM THE COURT. REASON IS IF YOU TWO BIRDS HAVE
A SPAT AGIAN YOUR GOING TO GET KEAL HAULED ACROSS THE BOTTOM OF THAT
COURT HOUSE. AND ITS AN UGLY SIGHT. This is in capital letters for a
reason!
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167.4 | welcome to America the land of.... | CSC32::HADDOCK | the final nightmare | Thu Oct 31 1991 14:27 | 38 |
| Steve,
Welcome to the nation that just passed all the "equal rights"
legislation (sarcasm intended).
I can't tell you how many times I've heard your story. This is not
a slam against you, but it seems that it's almost impossible to get
NCP's (mainly men, but not always) to fight this &^#$@ as a group.
The one's that it's already happened to are too bankrupt both
financially and emotionally to fight and the ones that it hasn't
happened to keep their heads burried deep.
You have to get over the emotional &^%^ as quickly as possible, and
start thinking/acting coldly and rationally. Make no mistake about it
this is *war*, and you have to become a warior. At stake is nothing
less than the future and well being of your children. Find an NCP support
group. There some listed in this notes file.
The biggest weapon that you have now (to repeat .2) is document,
document, document. I know it's a pain mentally and emotionally,
but DO IT! Keep a log/journal of when, where, who, and what happened.
It's admissable evidence and can help establish patterns for the
court, and admissable evidence is going to be in *very* short
supply. Mostly it's going to be your word agains hers and you
know which way that is going to go.
Even if you have a lawyer, go to a library (public or university) and
read up on the divorce/custody laws. It's hard reading (take a
dictionary) and emotionally a %$#@& to deal with, and will probably
turn your stomach when you find out just how bad things really are,
but KNOW THE LAWS AND YOUR RIGHTS. DON'T DEPEND ON YOUR LAWYER TO
TAKE CARE OF YOU.
Present every argument as its benefit and/or harmfullnes to the kids.
The court doesn't give a rat's %$#*@ about *you*, but will listen
(a little) when the kid's well-being is involved.
fred();
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167.5 | Badly bruised, but not out | GEMVAX::BRACE | | Thu Oct 31 1991 15:16 | 53 |
| Thank you all for your kind messages and notes of advise and support.
It is *really* appreciated.
Well, after waiting for almost three hours I got my 10 minutes -- or
was it 20? -- in court. We had a new (woman) judge, and we were the
last case she heard. It was past her lunchtime & she did not want to
waste any time. I won't know the decision until sometime next week.
My lawyer kept it short and sweet summarizing why the wage garnishment
(is that right?) shouldn't be granted, why the Mass child support
guidelines should apply and how, and why my requested "visitation"
schedule should be granted. I asked for my kids about 30% of the time
for the next two months since we anticipate going to trial in early
January.
Her lawyer appeared to have pissed off the social worker and then
seemed to do the same to the judge by trying to do **BIG TIME**
character assassination on me ( so bad that even my to-be-ex was
shaking her head "no" a few times ) and not keeping to direct
arguments. It almost seemed as if she was trying to get me denied ANY
visitation time... and then ended up by agreeing to much of the
requested schedule!
I have **NEVER** heard or had such lies and slander directed at me --
added to, in part, by my to-be-ex's "log" that she appears to have kept
of all of my comings and goings together with her impressions. What an
AWFUL experience!!!
At any rate I learned something that was new to me: if a CP is a
welfare or public aid recipient a wage garnishment is AUTOMATIC. ANY
OTHER CP can get a wage garnishment simply by asking the (in
Massachusetts) Department of Revenue. As of 1995 wage garnishment will
be automatic in ***ALL*** child support cases! Yes, that means for
*everyone*!
Another example of the bad apples spoiling it for the rest of us who do
their best to voluntarily comply.
Let me add here that this is especially ironic for me personally. You
see, for the past year I have spent most of my time working on
automated child support enforcement systems. Federal law mandates that
all states must have a state-wide computerized system/network in
operation by 1995. These are BIG networks -- and in which IBM, UNISYS,
and DIGITAL are the only computer vendors certified to supply
equipment. These are also your classic "big brother" programs. Unless
you've been involved in these you guys (women, too) have NO IDEA what
they can get to. And they will be interconnected nationwide.
Well, I'll keep you posted as soon as I hear anything.
Thanks,
Steve
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167.6 | | ESMAIL::BEAN | Attila the Hun was a LIBERAL! | Thu Oct 31 1991 15:34 | 35 |
| Steve...
To add support to the others who have replied... you MUST take care of
yourself. Find some support (this notesfile is just one small piece of
that), and I would strongly recommend you get some professional
counselling to help you deal (personally) with the emotional upheavals
which are now happening and which will continue to happen. Also, see
to it that your kids get the same sort of support/counselling. Start
with the school and take it as far as you need to.
Your relationship with the ex, as bad as it seems now, is really not
that unusual. It may get worse, so be prepared.
Look for signs that the kids are being used. It can happen at any age.
YOur ex will not hesitate to slander and accuse.
I am presently in litigation with my ex. She has countered with
allegations that I am emotionally disturbed, and represent a threat to
the physical and/or emotional well being of my children if they are
"forced" to visit me in MA. She is also alleging that I am behind in
child support.
I took the advise of others and have documented everything... they are
all fabrications, and the court WILL know it. BUt, in the meantime,
my kids are being told all this shit and untold damage is being done.
Watch out for that... winning any legal battle will never undo what
hurt is caused by the battle.
So, it happens. All the time. Be honest with yourself, your kids,
your ex, and remember... IT HURTS NOW, BUT IT WILL WORK OUT IN THE END.
It just sometimes takes so much time!
tony
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