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Title:Welcome to the Non-Custodial Parents Conference
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Moderator:MIASYS::HETRICK
Created:Sun Feb 25 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:420
Total number of notes:4370

115.0. "Temporary Custody - how does it work?" by PARZVL::GRAY (Follow the hawk, when it circles, ...) Mon Mar 04 1991 15:33

       I am hoping to learn from the personal experiences (successful and
       not) of other NCPs, on how it works (or doesn't work)  I thought
       I would ask it here as a way to share points and pit falls.  If
       we assume that there is a final divorce decree that awards
       custody and the CP "reluctantly" agrees to allow "temporary
       custody" to the other parent:

         - What are the legal mechanics?
               o Does it require a new court order?
               o Can the original CP have a bad day and just pull the
                 plug on the whole deal?
               o How long is temporary?
               o What are the ramifications on decision making (medical
                 treatment, education, summer camp, etc)?
               o Does the original NCP still have to pay Child Support?
               o Does the original CP start paying Child Support?
               o If the Child Support is suspended and custody reverts
                 to the original CP, can the original NCP be made to pay
                 the "back payments"?

         - What about the child's emotional struggle?
               o How do you help the child deal with an unhappy
                 original CP?
               o Once the final decision is made (one way or the
                 other), how do you keep the heat off of the child?
               o Is the child likely to have to explain to his/her
                 friends? (This is different then just telling them what
                 happened, this is about approval/acceptance).
       
       
       Any advice you can give me would be appreciated.

       Thanks,
       Richard


       PS   I didn't put any of my personal situation in this note, so
            as not to cloud the issue for other people who want the same
            information.  I will add it in a reply if it will help.
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115.1Only for a little while ;-)BENONI::JIMCillegitimi non insectusMon Mar 04 1991 17:5528
    I am still dealing with something along these lines.  My daughter Jenni
    is now living with me (see other notes). 
    
    Everything MUST be documented, even if you are not ready to finalize a
    change through the courts.  I had to pay for Jenni for two months after
    she was no longer living with her mother because there was no release
    from the agreement.  Jenni's mom finally "allowed" me to suspend
    support payments pending an official change of custody agreement (which
    I may have to take her to court to get).  A court battle is not
    necessary if both parties reach agreement and sign a consent decree
    which will then be made official through the court.  What you can do
    and what you are liable for (back support, Dr.s visits, etc) should be
    carefully set out in the temporary agreement and the consent decree. 
    You should have a lawyer involved to protect your (and your child's)
    rights.  Be very careful about anything you sign but GET DOCUMENTATION.
    
    Regarding the child's needs, try to be honest and open about what is
    happening WITHOUT saying unkind things about the other parent.  Other
    children, usually, don't really care about these issues.  In fact, my
    children usually do not seem to talk about these things with their
    friends even though I think it would be beneficial if they did.
    
    Most importantly, IMO, try to minimize the number of changes your child
    has to go through and let thme know, as much as possible, when and why
    changes will be occurring (that and letting them know you LOVE them).
    
    jimc
     
115.2I am not a lawyer---butCSC32::HADDOCKAll Irk and No PayTue Mar 05 1991 18:1080
    From my experience
    
         - What are the legal mechanics?
               o Does it require a new court order?
    
    It *can* be a *gentleman's agreement*.  Probably will be if the CP
    is agreeable (reluctantly or not).  If the CP is not agreeable,
    the Court Order will be necessary.
    
               o Can the original CP have a bad day and just pull the
                 plug on the whole deal?
    
    Unless there is a Court Order, YES!.  My ex came with 6 sheriff's
    deputies and the custody papers and there wasn't a &^%$ thing I could
    do about it. (This was for my son).
    
               o How long is temporary?
    
    After six months, in most states, if the change has been with the
    agreement of the CP,  this can be used to request permanent change
    since in the legal terms "the child has been integrated into the home".
    (check it out in you state).
    
               o What are the ramifications on decision making (medical
                 treatment, education, summer camp, etc)?
    
    Unless you have "joint legal custody", technically (and probably
    legally) you should get a "power of attourney" to C.Y.A.  Otherwise
    if the CP wants to make a fuss over you authorizing medical treatment
    etc, you may be in *deep* trouble.
    
               o Does the original NCP still have to pay Child Support?
    
    Child support continues *as is* until changed by the court.  If it
    is changed by agreement with the CP, GET IT IN WRITING.
    
               o Does the original CP start paying Child Support?
    
    Not unless agreed upon by the CP or ordered by the Court.
    
               o If the Child Support is suspended and custody reverts
                 to the original CP, can the original NCP be made to pay
                 the "back payments"?
    
    If you don't have it in writing (most courts will probably take this)
    and the CP is willing to lie about the agreement in court,  YES!

         - What about the child's emotional struggle?
               o How do you help the child deal with an unhappy
                 original CP? 
    
    Very carefully!!
    This is extremely difficult without getting onto your own feelings
    about the CP.  I told my daughter where she stood legally and what 
    would have to happen in order to get the custody changed.  I felt
    that she was old enougt for "straight talk" and deserved to know
    where she stood.  BTW.  Although I'd let it be known that I would
    be happy to have her live with me, it was my daughter that brought up
    the subject of her comming to live with me.  I told her that the 
    decision to change parnts had to be entirely hers and I would support 
    her decision either way.
    
               o Once the final decision is made (one way or the
                 other), how do you keep the heat off of the child?
    
    Unless you can get the child out of the CP's home immediatly (i.e.
    evidence of child abuse or neglect).  YOU CAN'T.  And many CP's
    go border-line (if not entirely) psyco.  This is an *extremely*
    difficult part of trying to get a change.
    
               o Is the child likely to have to explain to his/her
                 friends? (This is different then just telling them what
                 happened, this is about approval/acceptance).
       
    Not likely.  Although my daughter did have a friend that was very
    difficult for her to leave.
    
    I thank God that at 16, my daughter was a very intelligent and
    courageous little girl. 
115.3Just wondering ...PARZVL::GRAYFollow the hawk, when it circles, ...Fri Mar 22 1991 12:2012
       
       Judging from what happened in 116.0-.1 over a house, Jim hit the 
       nail on head - document, document.

       I can't help wondering what kind of influence, control the NCP
       can exert to have things "legalized" in a temporary custody
       situation when the NCP really wants it and the CP doesn't.  The
       NCP can't refuse to co-operate, right.  What tools are there to
       get both parties names signed on the dotted line?
       
       
       Richard