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Conference quokka::non_custodial_parents

Title:Welcome to the Non-Custodial Parents Conference
Notice:Please read 1.* before writing anything
Moderator:MIASYS::HETRICK
Created:Sun Feb 25 1990
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:420
Total number of notes:4370

34.0. "The Wedding ?" by HBO::CALCAGNI (A.F.F.A) Fri Mar 23 1990 11:07

    
    I have been married to my present wife for ten years, but have still
    been very close with my children from my former marriage.
    
    The kids send weekends, holidays, vacations etc with us. They know I am
    their father and I never forgot a holiday or birthday.  
    
    My oldest , my daughter, and I are very close and always have been. 
    From time to time we go out and spend time together shopping, having a
    meal or sharing a cool beer.  She can tell me anything, and has, and I
    keep it in confidence.  What I'm trying to say is we are all close.
    
    NOW..
    
    She is getting married in May of 91.
    
    My ex is fighting with her about:
    
    Not having me give her away.. Claims I was never a father to her, and
    never gave her any money.  Where is it going every week?
    
    The invitation will read.. MRS and Mr  Diana .... announces the
    marraige of HER daughter...  Where Cal??
    
    I feel it should read..  Mrs Diana....
    				And
    			     Mr Cal
    
    			Their daughter..
    
    It is going to be over 600 people, full blown gala affair with upteen
    attendants.. She has invited My son and my adopted son by my present
    wife to be in the wedding so she does care for her Step and half
    brothers.
    
    What is correct??
    
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34.1Do you have to ask??CSC32::HADDOCKAll Irk and No PayFri Mar 23 1990 11:376
    re -1  
    
    You are.  Your ex is being a b!!ch and engaging in some wishfull 
    thinking.
    
    fred();
34.2*EGADS*MTADMS::RENDAHAPPINESS IS A WAGGING TAILFri Mar 23 1990 12:2720
    
    Cal,
    
    I've read in other notesfiles that you have a vendictive ex....
    
    But, I've never heard of such nonsense....  I don't even get
    along with my father and I used the following on my invite's...
    
    Together with their parents.....
    
    etc....
    
    Includes all and leaves out none....
    
    You don't even need to ask who's doing the dirty deed here!!!
    
    My best wishes,
    
    Kim
    
34.3SLUGER::KERSCHFri Mar 23 1990 14:149
    
    
    
    	 My daughter is 13 now and I dread the day that you are facing
    now. I really hope that when the time comes that she will ask me
    to give her away. I would be so hurt if she didn't. Well I guess
    I have plenty of time to prepare for it anyway. Good luck with your
    situtation.
    
34.4fear it may happen to usGIAMEM::MACKINNONProChoice is a form of democracyMon Mar 26 1990 10:4712
    
    
    This is also an issue I dread when it comes up.  My boyfriend and
    I are planning on marrying within the next couple of years.
    He wants his daughter (now 3.5) to participate in the wedding.
    I feel he is going to have a hell of a time getting this to happen.
    
    He had to pull teeth just to get her to agree to let the child
    be in his brothers wedding.  Why can't some people just put
    away their anger towards each other?
    
    Michele
34.5She needs help!HBO::CALCAGNIA.F.F.AMon Mar 26 1990 11:2827
    
    Well Theresa, my present wife, and my daughter had a long talk this
    weekend.  They are pretty close.
    
    It seems that in addition to the invitations my ex wants her present
    husband to give my daughter away!  My daughter is extreemly upset not
    to mention others.
    
    My ex is still living in the past, and can't get over the fact that I
    could possibly leave her.  It has come to the point where she is
    totally consumed over the fact and dwells on it constantly.. We're
    talking twelve years here.
    
    She still cant see what she did or is..
    
    Worse she is trying to brainwash my daughter, tried on my son but he
    has no brain.. ha ha!  Actually I have fine kids, just a sicko ex.
    
    As for the invitations.  I told my daughter.. some times you just got
    to say..what the..  I told her I would pick up the cost and whatever
    she decided I would not bicker over..  Giving her away is another
    issue.
    
    I'll know in a few days what is happening there.
    
    Cal.
    
34.6Not the parents' day, no way!FENNEL::GODINHangin' loose while the tan lastsMon Mar 26 1990 12:3025
    Re. HBO::CALCAGNI - the following is not criticism of you or the stance
    you've taken, but rather a strong criticism of your ex-wife and other
    parents who let past hurts, real or imagined, stand in the way of their
    children's lives:
    
    I've said it before (in another notes file), and I'll say it again. 
    I'm not on particularly good terms with my ex.  As a matter of fact,
    I'm practically counting the days when the kids are grown and I no
    longer have to deal with him.
    
    BUT, when my kids get married, I'll do whatever I can to make that day
    a joyous one for them.  If they want me to dance with their father, I
    will.  If they want me to take a back seat and pretend I'm not there, I
    will (though I might be a little less forthcoming with any financial
    assistance for the festivities).  It's their day, not mine, not their
    father's.
    
    There are always enough tensions involved in a wedding without two
    supposed adults who just happen to be the parents of the bride or groom
    letting their hurts get in the way.
    
    Good luck to your daughter.  Sounds like she's going to need it!  Hope
    she's strong enough to stand up for herself.
    
    Karen
34.7My thoughts exactly!HBO::CALCAGNIA.F.F.AMon Mar 26 1990 13:048
    
    -1,
    
    Couldn't agree more!!  Now if only the ex would realize it is my
    daughter's day!
    
    Cal.
    
34.8GIAMEM::MACKINNONProChoice is a form of democracyMon Mar 26 1990 13:1215
    
    re -1
    
    Does your ex listen to her daughter?  Does she realize that she
    is a mature adult who is more than capable of making her own
    decisions?  Is the ex footing the bill for the wedding?  The
    only reason I ask the last one is because some parents feel
    that since they are paying for the wedding then the wedding
    will be the way they want it.  
    
    It should be your daughter's decision as to who gives her away.
    
    What would happen if she decides on you?  Is your ex that
    vindictive that she would ruin her own daughter's wedding?
    
34.9Good luck Cal.CONURE::AMARTINMy rights end... Where yours begin!Mon Mar 26 1990 17:013
    Bravo Karen!
    I couldn't have said it any better...
    
34.10Thanks.. I needed that!HBO::CALCAGNIA.F.F.AMon Mar 26 1990 19:4436
    
    ..
    
    My ex only listens to money.
    
    She is not footing the bill.
    
    She loves to flaunt it as if she was paying for it.
    
    She cares for no one except her..
    
    Vindictive.. that word was invented for her.
    
    She has absolutly no sane reason to be vindictive.  I gave her
    everything and took nothing!  Hell I left court with just a barrel to
    live in..  All I had was my clothes, all the bills and my sleeping bag.
    
    I gave her the house, with all the custom Hand made furniture and money
    every week, plus I baby sat during the week so she could go out, and
    took the kids on weekends, when she let me.
    
    I have never said a bad word about her to the kids, or in front of the
    kids.
    
    I could go on and on.. but why get worked up.. No matter what she will
    always be in the picture due to the kids.  Sooo I do my best and hope
    someday they will see what has happened.. and they are beginning to.
    
    Whatever happens, happens.  I love my daughter too much to cause a
    ruckus.  It is her day, and I hope her only wedding.  Now if the ex
    would get her head out of her..
    
    If I haven't solved anything at least I vented a little frustration..
    
    Cal.
    
34.11not sugar and spiceCSC32::HADDOCKAll Irk and No PayTue Mar 27 1990 09:4515
    Cal,
    
    One of the hardest things, for some reason, that I had to learn 
    from my divorce was that I was not dealing with a sane and rational
    person.  It's difficult to accept that this person who used to be
    so sweet and considerate is now a faming b!!ch (or sob whichever the
    case may be). Once I figured that out, it enabled me to deal with the
    situation with a certain amount of detachment that allowed me to
    retain at least some of my sanity.
    
    No I am not a psycologist, and the only thing I have to go on
    is what is here in this note, so I can't make that determination
    for you, but it's something to consider.
    
    fred();
34.12What goes around comes around.SIVA::MACDONALDTue Apr 17 1990 11:2510
    
    Hi Cal,
    
    Hang in there.  As a good friend is fond of saying: "If you throw
    a red ball against a wall, you get a red ball back."  Your ex's
    "red ball" will be coming back someday with interest.  You can bet
    on that.
    
    Steve
    
34.13A little longer..HBO::CALCAGNIA.F.F.AWed Apr 18 1990 10:597
    
    Steve,
    
    I just keep on saying.. Two years, two years!!
    
    Cal.
    
34.14Living well, the BEST revengeBENONI::JIMCillegitimi non insectusFri Dec 28 1990 09:5612
    First of let me acknowledge that this is well after the fact, but I
    just got here 8-).  I would like to know how it all came out.
    
    Second:  Wedding, how about graduation.  My eldest will soon graduate
    from High School.  We have already heard that her mother does not want
    anyone from my side of the family and especially ME there.  Mel, on the
    other hand just asked me to let her know how many tickets to get for
    this side of the family (I do have good kids).  My ex sounds much like
    Cal's, but, I can say that the bouncing red ball is already headed back
    her way and I have not had to demean myself or use my children for that
    to happen.  It is really hard sometimes, but patience will out.  I
    still believe that living well is the best revenge.