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Personally, I don't find Tonya to be the least bit attractive. As I normally
choose to date women based on attraction (at some level) as a first criteria,
that would put her out of the picture for me. Nancy, on the other hand, I
find very attractive.

Tonya's looks to me? Beady eyes, ski-jump nose, sick smile, etc.

-Jack

    I'll have to go along with Jack as well. I've yet to see or hear
    anything that would indicate that Tanya is a nice person and her
    looks don't do a thing for me.
    
    			Alfred

No, Tonya does not have a contract with Playboy, at least according to
articles I've read.  (It seems this sort of rumor pops up just about every time
some young woman becomes newsworthy.)

But I agree, I consider Nancy far more attractive, especially when it comes
to personality.  Of course, I don't know either of them personally so all I
have to go on is the filtered view I get through newspapers and magazines.

				Steve

    Nancy is a LADY...
    I refuse to say what Tonia is... but you can get the idea.
    
    Tonia needs money and stops at nothing to achieve her wish, it doesn't
    matter what; lies, posing nude, or putting her opponent "out of the
    race" by means of attacking Nancy... you all know how much the
    attackers were paid and all that "baloney"... you all know that she
    sued the skating federation for a "few" millions... you know it all. 
    that she could be a good date? I don't doubt it (if you don't mind 
    being cheated sooner or later) but as I said, she's no lady (in my
    view)...
    Ana
    
    

    
    re. 7
    
    I'm not saying I like Tonya but everyone is innocent until PROVEN
    guilty.  She withdrew the suit when the association said she could
    skate.
    
    I think the media is putting to much spotlight on Tonya and Nancy which
    is unfair to the rest of the competitors.

    RE .8
    
    Interesting how many people have judged Tonya guilty
    without her day in court. The power of the media is very
    scary and so many people are easily swayed by what they read.
    
    			-Jim-

>    Tonia needs money and stops at nothing to achieve her wish, it doesn't
>    matter what; lies, 

How does lieing get her money?

>posing nude, 

Has she gotten any money from poseing nude?  There was an offer made perhaps,
but that is not the same thiung as getting.

>or putting her opponent "out of the
>    race" by means of attacking Nancy... 

About the only 'evidence' of her involvement is her claim to have known after
the fact.

>    attackers were paid and all that "baloney"... you all know that she
>    sued the skating federation for a "few" millions... 

"Sueing" and "winning the suit" are two very different things.  Again, she
did NOT get any money out of that suit.  It was dropped, was it not?

>    that she could be a good date? I don't doubt it (if you don't mind 
>    being cheated sooner or later) 

Many people through the ages have cheated and been cheated upon.  

-Joe

>    
>    Interesting how many people have judged Tonya guilty
>    without her day in court. 

Many more have judged the other participants guilty.  Didn'y only one actually
confess?

>The power of the media is very
>    scary and so many people are easily swayed by what they read.

This is something I agree with.  I am not sure as to how much is actually
'power' on the aprt of the media vs. the lack of thinking on people's part.

"power" here to me implies something that overrides one's better judgement; I
think it much more likely that people do not make such a judgement in the
first place and hence take anything given to them.  Like this reply :-) ;-)?

    Jeff G. has already given a guilty plea in court.  The bodyguard
    has given TV interviews admitting his guilt.
    
    I'm not sure how far the other two have gone.

>The bodyguard
>    has given TV interviews admitting his guilt.

Sorry, but that is not his 'day in court' either.  What is said to the
media is not the same thing as a day in court.  This is why she should
have HER day in court, since her admissions (such as they were) were to
the media.

    ...and there is this issue where the hitman gets paid up frount, and
    the money came out of her account. And the power of attorney to write
    this check, or get this money is not out of the hands of that ex
    rasputian. But the main rasputian Tonya. She cut the check, paid the
    man..... she gave Jeff some money for butts, beer, and fast women? NOT!

    My daughter was just saying on Sunday that she thinks Tonya is "scanky
    looking" and I agree.  :-)   (Is "scanky" a word? not sure)  :-)
    
    If I were a single man I'd date Nancy in a minute, but you wouldn't be
    able to get me near Tonya Harding.  It's almost funny how both of these
    women's personalities and appearance seem to suit the role they've been
    forced into by the kneecap incident.  Nancy is attractive, classy
    acting, with a pleasant attitude when interviewed.  Tonya just isn't in
    the same league when it comes to personal appeal, and seems to have a
    hard, nasty attitude.  One of the main things I can't stand about Tonya
    is the expression she gets on her face when she has skated well.  It's
    a look of triumph, but mean and nasty at the same time.
    
    Did anyone else see the humorous comparison done of them on Boston's
    Channel 4 news last night?  They compared such things as hair: 
    "Nancy's - thick, luxuriant.  Tonya's - a bed of straw, victim of too
    much peroxide."  Outfits:  Nancy's - classy, Tonya's - thrown together
    in the dark, etc, etc.   It was mean, but sort've funny too.
    
    And, speaking, as another woman, I would *much* rather have lunch with
    Nancy than with Tonya.  Tonya has that look about her where, if you're
    another woman, you just know she's going to be a bitch, whereas Nancy
    just looks like a nice person.
    
    Lorna
    

Re: .15

George, I think you misunderstand the way these things work.  Tonya very
likely did not hire or pay the bodyguard; her husband handled the expenses.
Very few atheletes manage their own business affairs.

				Steve

Neither. They're both unattractive and judging from what I've heard 
from them in interviews, neither is splitting atoms on 
weekends...

daryll

    While Tonya hasn't had her day in court over the assault business,
    there is most certainly the matter of her lack of sportsmanship (sorry
    should that be sportswomanship ?).  This is amateur competition, and
    sportsmanship is one of the primary aspects of the whole affair.  Her
    behaviour prior to the decision to have her appear before the USOC
    committee was of dubious sportsmanship, even discounting the attack.
    
    The fact that Tonya then threatened the USOC with a lawsuit to prevent
    her from being removed was the final straw in terms of poor
    sportsmanship.  Whether she is guilty in terms of anything directly
    related to the attack doesn't matter ... she shouldn't be skating
    for sheer poor sportsmanship.
    
    Nancy has, very correctly, said virtually nothing about Tonya.  That
    is good sportsmanship.
    
    Tonya has said many times she wants to win the Gold for herself.  Note
    NOT for her COUNTRY but for herself.  Sounds very selfish to me.
    
    Makes the question in the basenote very easy to answer.

   <<< Note 113.20 by CSC32::S_BROOK "There and back to see how far it is" >>>
    
  >  Tonya has said many times she wants to win the Gold for herself.  Note
  >  NOT for her COUNTRY but for herself.  Sounds very selfish to me.
   
   Individual achievement is what the Olympics have always been 
   about. The medal count, by country, was instituted for political 
   purposes to somehow prove "we" were better than "them".

   Frankly, I see nothing wrong with what she said. In fact, I 
   believe that most of the athletes want to win for personal 
   reasons but are unwilling to say so in the press and choose the 
   "win for my country" line. Sure, and those millions of $$$ in 
   endorsements are just a nice side benefit eh?

    My only wish is that, after the Olympics, I hope NEVER to hear about
    Tonya OR Nancy ever again.
    
    

    
    News today says Nancy has signed promotional contracts with Disney
    and Nike (Nike ice skates?) as well as Campbels Soups regardless
    of how she does in he Olympics.  Tanya is not likely to get any
    "endorsement" money even if she wins the Gold.

    In interview with Tanya, Connie Chung asked the question "Where are
    you going after the Olympics.  Maybe....Club Med?"   Tanya's response,
    "I'm done with this", took off her mike', and left.  Whatever else
    I think of Tanya, I have to applaud her for that.  That was one of
    the tackiest moves by a reporter since "how about a hug".

	fred();

    Re .24: Seems to me all the CBS spots about Chung and Rather are even
    more sick-making than the Harding/Kerrigan brouhaha; I'll be glad to
    see the last of all of 'em. [Or should that be, "I'll be glad _if_ we
    ever see the last of 'em."]
    
    -b

    
    Nancy is in first place after the "short" program.
    Tanya is in 10th (will be awfully hard to overcome).
    
    fred();

    Actually I'd be glad to see an end to the Big-3 networks altogether.

    
    	I agree that neither of them is studying astrophysics on weekends,
    but Kerrigan seems like a wholesome, classy woman. Harding, whom I had
    never HEARD of before this pointless b*llsh*t started, comes across as
    a hard-nosed trailer park skank, as Don Imus says.
    
    	And I will be GLAD when it's over and we don't hear about the two
    of 'em again........
    
    

re: .24, fred();

>    News today says Nancy has signed promotional contracts with Disney
>    and Nike (Nike ice skates?) as well as Campbels Soups regardless

Something's wrong here. Nancy has existing operative contracts with
Campbells and Reebok. Nike was going to fund Tonya's legal aid up to
$25K. I doubt that Nike or Nancy are interested in any sort of
business relationship together.

-Jack

Re. Base Note

	I'd go along with most replies here; Nancy certainly appears the
	nicer of the two. I wouldn't like to date Tonya, she probably
	howls as the moon goes down :-)

	

	

    � "Where are you going after the Olympics.  Maybe....Club Med?"
                                                         ^^^^
    Sounds like a hit and run question to me!:)

    
     Baaah-neeee, Baaah-neeee, Baaah-neeee.   

    To the dumpster with both of them.  Bonnie Blair, five (count 'em five)
    Olympic gold, is my All-American girl.  She started her career having to 
    sneak into practice arenas before coming out of nowhere to win her first 
    gold medal.  Yesterday she collected her fifth.  

    fred();

    I think Picabo Street is cute.
    
    She may outgrow her name someday...
    
    ed

    Katrine Vitt(SP?) over both of them AND
    
    Peggy Fleming over all three.
    
    		-Jim-

	It's Witt, it's just pronounced Vitt.  And I think her first name
	ends with an "a".

				Alfred

    Last night on ET, there was a little ditti on the battle of the Ice
    Queens on. From a bar in Boston, some guy made a comment about Tonya
    that she had on an outfit that made her look and skate like a beast.
    Where Nancy had class and grace. Welp. The Beast gets the last horra
    tonight on blades. Its going to be an interesting show.

It's actually this afternoon, but CBS won't show you untill tonight.

				Steve

Re. Alfred,

	It does. It's Katarina Witt.

	- Paul\

    
    
    	I just heard on the news that Kerrigan got the silver medal....
    
    

    RE.34

    >Katrine Vitt(SP?) over both of them AND
    
    >Peggy Fleming over all three.

    Katarina Witt over the other two for sure but Peggy Fleming?  Surely
    you jest, she could double for the scarecrow in the Wizard Of Oz.

    Joe

    Saw a brief this morning. Tonya was attacked at in a park last night.
    Nothing more about the three 'W's of journalism.

    
    Wonder if there have been any strange withdrawals from Nancy's bank
    account lately?
    
    AAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGG!  Sorry, just couldn't resist ;^).
    fred();

        Or perhaps, not knowing all of the facts..... perhaps is self
    inflicted, like James Stewart.;) Next, just maybe, Tonya will hop off a
    tall bridge and save us all from the melodrama.

    RE:  .43  Isn't that Charles Stewart of Boston?
    
    As for dating whom:
    
    	Tonya:  She smokes tobacco, so she's out.  Otherwise, sure, why
                not.
    
    	Nancy:  Word is she doesn't like to Mickey Mouse around.  Too bad,
                that makes us incompatible.  I just find life bascially
    	        quite funny.
    
    As for Tonya being attacked, heard on the radio that she declined an
    ambulance as she couldn't afford it, even after getting $600k from 
    Current Affair.  The radio announcer asked, "How much are ambulances
    out there?"
    
    
    
    

    What I saw on television did not require an ambulance... at all. I did
    not see a single bruise though she said she was attacked, she looked
    tired, but quite able to walk, to talk and to get into a car to go
    home... I believe ambulances should be kept for serious cases where
    the patient is in need of urgent transportation and/or services while
    getting to destination and not just for anything minor like the subject
    above. (No wonder cost of healthcare is skyrocketing in the U.S...next
    time she'll ask for speedy "helicopter" transportation)
    
    Ana

    Looks like ol Tonya had a change of mind.....or is that mindless?:) 
    Anyhow, she admitted to her involvement last night.

    Not true. She accepted a plea bargain in which she admitted no more
    involvement than she'd already acknowledged (withholding information
    about those "close to her" when she learned about it after the fact,
    according to her press conference back in late January or whenever).

    The plea bargain didn't acknowledge any culpability for the attack
    itself or any foreknowledge.

My question is - what is Tonya going to do now?  She may well end up on
Welfare...

				Steve

    Actually, the admission is slightly more complex than that in that
    she admitted that she knowingly and deliberately hindered the course
    of justice.
    
    Did I hear right that the plea bargain granted immunity from further
    prosecution in Oregon for her involvement in the whole affair ?  And
    that if she is prosecuted and found guilty in another jurisdiction
    that this conviction will be set aside ?
    
    Stuart

    
>My question is - what is Tonya going to do now?  She may well end up on
>Welfare...

    She's out of amateur skating - not all skating. She can probably get
    a job in an ice show. Or as a coach. Or I hear talk that some Japanese
    promoter offered her big bucks to take up wrestling in Japan.

    		Alfred

    
    Tonya will not likely skate in Ice Shows.  Not for a while anyway.
    More like likely things that I've seen and heard are that shows like 
    "A Current Affair" are willing to pay some six figure bucks for 
    her interview.  Plus movie rights etc.  Some Japanese pro-wrestling
    organization has offered $1M+ for her to get in the ring.  She's
    reportedly turned it down.  Wonder if I could fool 'em in a blond
    wig ;^).
    
    fred();

    For the wrestling deal she'd have to start off by being a "bad guy."
    
    Not enough challenge.
    
    ed