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Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

803.0. "MAN answer WOMAN question" by LISVAX::QUADROS (don't worry, be happy) Mon Jun 29 1992 14:05

    
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803.1BSS::S_MURTAGHRebel without a ClueTue Jun 30 1992 18:002
    Great topic. Well stated.
    
803.2QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centTue Jun 30 1992 22:443
    Must be one of those strong, silent types....
    
    		Steve
803.3COMET::DYBENWed Jul 01 1992 10:207
    
    
     Could be using sign language.
    
    
    
    David                         
803.4CHEFS::IMMSAadrift on the sea of heartbreakWed Jul 01 1992 10:459
    I have never understood the logic behind apparently setting a base note
    hidden, to all but some? and leaving a lot of meaningless replies for
    everyone to read.
    
    I consider it bad manners and bad practice.
    
    What does everyone else reading this think?
    
    andy
803.5VALKYR::RUSTWed Jul 01 1992 11:2116
    I think the base note isn't set hidden. I didn't see the usual "note
    set hidden" message when I read it. It looks like it may have been
    written by accident - operator error, machine trouble, etc. And, as
    with many accidents, some people just have to gawk and speculate. ;-)
    
    As for bad manners, if a note is set hidden without explanation, and if
    it is done after it's been commented on, thus disrupting the
    discussion, I'd find that a teensy bit rude - maybe on par with
    somebody crossing in front of me at the movie theater without saying
    "Excuse me" - but nothing to call the cops about.
    
    I also think that the designated hitter rule should be abolished, and
    that a foul on a three-point shot should be three free throws. Anything
    else you want to know?
    
    -b
803.6?SOLVIT::SOULEPursuing Synergy...Wed Jul 01 1992 11:282
    I think the intent of this topic is for Women to post specific questions
    for Men to answer...
803.7QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centWed Jul 01 1992 12:488
The base note is not hidden; it simply consists of a blank line.  Normally
I would have deleted it, but there was a reply by the time I saw it and I
thought it was funny, so I let it stay.

This conference's policy is in general to not hide notes but to return them
to their author for revision, if needed. 

			Steve
803.8ZFC::deramoDan D'EramoWed Jul 01 1992 13:355
The base note author forgot to say

	"Discuss."

Dan
803.9CALLME::MR_TOPAZWed Jul 01 1992 13:4315
       re .5:
       
       .flame on.
       
       That's the most ridiculous thing I've read in a long time.  The
       perecntage of 3-pointers that get made when the shooter isn't
       fouled is a lot less compared to the percentages of comparable
       2-pointers; the numbers get even more skewed when you consider
       that most shooting fouls are on close-in, high-percentage shots.
       
       Get a clue.
       
       .flame off.
       
       --Mr Topaz
803.10Send it my way...DPD07::GUNDERSONWed Jul 01 1992 14:286
    
    I think it's a wast of good disk space - especially when I'm
    in need (ha, ha).
    
    -Lynn
    
803.11What was this note about again? ;-)VALKYR::RUSTWed Jul 01 1992 14:398
    Re .9: What the hell does the shot percentage have to do with it? By
    that logic, if Stoko Vrankovic gets fouled on a three-point shot he
    shouldn't get any free throws at all, whereas if Magic Johnson does he
    should get _four_ shots. And whatever should we do about Chris Dudley?
    
    Go back to watching the tractor pulls.
    
    -b
803.12SMURF::SMURF::BINDERRem ratam agiteWed Jul 01 1992 15:004
    Beth, you're right.  The designated hitter rule stinks.  3-point shots,
    fouled or otherwise, don't deserve the disk space for discussion.
    
    -dick
803.13CALLME::MR_TOPAZWed Jul 01 1992 15:2413
       re .11:
       
       Stojko just got traded for Gar Heard, so it doesn't matter how
       many foul shots you give him.
       
       And I think you might show a tad more respect for tractor pulls. 
       President Harry S Truman loved tractor pulls, and so did many
       other important people, and just because you think that some
       lah-dee-dah kultur-del-jour salon talking about oh-so-intellectual
       mumblejumbo like gory edwardian novels makes you better than us
       guys who are into the zen of country fairs, so what?
       
       --Mr Topaz
803.14VALKYR::RUSTWed Jul 01 1992 15:268
    Tractor pulls are for sissies. Us tough prairie chickens (gory/Gorey
    tastes in literature notwithstanding) get our kicks from branding
    calves, eviscerating trout, and beheading chickens. I only watch
    basketball to see all those guys in their underwear.
    
    What _was_ this note about?
    
    -b
803.15CALLME::MR_TOPAZWed Jul 01 1992 17:158
       
       You brute.
       
       > What _was_ this note about?
       
       The replies defined the base note.
       
       --Mr Topaz
803.16Disappointment !LISVAX::QUADROSdon't worry, be happyThu Jul 02 1992 07:2517
     re .1 & .8: Thanks !
    
     re .6:  BINGO !!!
    
     re .7:  I didn't know I was supposed to write anything else. But I
    think you are right. "Discussion" might have helped.
    
     re .10: Lynn, why is it a "waste of good disk space" ?
    
    
    Well, when I started this topic, I was in doubt that the replies
    would meet my goals. Now, I'm sure they didn't !
    
    WOMEN, you can't blame us for not giving you a chance !!!
    
    Julio
    
803.17COMET::DYBENThu Jul 02 1992 10:0823
    
    
    Julio,
    
    
    > when I opened this topic
    
    
      Where? 
    
    > waste of disk space
    
    > Lynn what do you mean
    
      If I might suggest a possible explanation for Ms. Gunderson it would
    be this.
    
     She needs disk space at work, and considers every byte holy, every
    bit is sacred, and when she comes upon somoeone who has cast there
    bytes/bits upon the ground as you have, it upsets her :-)
    
    
    Rev David
803.18SCHOOL::BOBBITTruthless compassionThu Jul 02 1992 11:498
    
    Most of the questions I have for men and about men here, that might
    inquire as to why they're a certain way, have for the most part been
    answered *just by reading what goes on in this notesfile*.
    
    You can learn a lot by reading and listening to what goes on.
    
    -Jody
803.19COMET::DYBENThu Jul 02 1992 12:1010
    
    
    Jody,
    
      ( drum roll please) And your have concluded that men are?????????/
    
    
    
    
    David
803.20SMURF::SMURF::BINDERRem ratam agiteThu Jul 02 1992 13:5510
    Re: .19
    
    > And your have concluded that men are?????????/
    
    Allow me, Jody?
    
    No conclusion necessary.  Men are.  *What* men are is still open to
    debate.
    
    -dick
803.21COMET::DYBENThu Jul 02 1992 14:476
    
    Dick,
    
    > is still open to
    
         Why i am tempted to call you a "   " tease :-)
803.22SCHOOL::BOBBITTruthless compassionThu Jul 02 1992 17:0014
    
    Men are as wonderful and awful and brilliant and terrifying and
    magickal and horribal as women.  Only in different ways.
    
    Why does it matter *what* I think?  I love men.  Men frighten me.  Men
    are very intricate and complex.  Men are extremely simple.
    
    As Walt Whitman said, (and I paraphrase)
    
    "Do I contradict myself?  Well then, I contradict myself.  I contain
    multitudes."
    
    -Jody
    
803.23jody reverses processLAGUNA::BROWN_ROlive from Los AngelesThu Jul 02 1992 19:065
    
    
    WOMAN answer MAN question
    
    
803.24Common Database! How in a polarized society!COMET::DYBENFri Jul 03 1992 01:3864
    
    
    > men are as horrible( I corrected) as women. Only in different ways
    
      What different ways?
    
    > I love men
    
       And I love woman!
    
    > men are extremly simple
    
     I hate stereotypes! We are as diversified as a women. But please
    explain why you feel men are simple.
    
    > men frighten me
    
      What in particular is it that terrifies you? I know for me that I get
    a bit scared at times. Sometimes I just cannot communicate, I think
    what I feel, and a majority of woman (IMHO) feel what they think. I am
    trying tho', Heres an example that occured with me and my friend
    last night.
    
     ( It's 11:00 p.m. at night"
    
    Tammy: David  I told my boss I would get a project done by tomorrow
     afternoon so I have to go into work now!
    
    David: Okay, don't work to hard.
    
    Tammy: It really bothers me going in late at night, they area I work
    in downtown is start to fill up with bumbs and drunks, I am a little
    bit scared!
    
    David (brilliantly sensitive): Oh really, you ought to take the 9mm
    Smith and Wesson with you.
    
    Tammy: I cannot believe you said that.
    
    David: What! What did I say.
    
    Tammy; Well it would be nice if you atleast showed that you cared
    about me.
    
    David: What do you mean? I recommended you bring a gun to protect your-
    self)!!
    
    Tammy: David, get a
    clue!(slam,stomp,stomp,stomp,rhhhhhhhhhhhhh,ehhhrrr)
    
    David: (In an empty home now) What the hell did I do?
    
    Time elapses and I am talking to a female friend at work describing
    the next day describing the situation. And to my surprise she says
    
    Friend: David! She didn't want advice on preferred weaponery to defend
    against bums! She wanted a sign that you cared about her!!
    
    David: ( Feeling like a fool). Well why did'nt she say so?
    
    
    Sincerely,
    
    David_A_man_in_need_of_heart_smarts (and trying).
803.25SCHOOL::BOBBITTruthless compassionFri Jul 03 1992 08:0951
re: .24

    
>      What different ways?
    
    How are men horrible?  Some men do things I could never think of doing, and
    they sometimes do them thoughtlessly.  Some women do this too.  But if
    you have lived on this planet *YOU KNOW THAT*.
    
>    
>     I hate stereotypes! We are as diversified as a women. But please
>    explain why you feel men are simple.
    
    Because if you are around them enough, in certain ways they become
    predictable.  Women do too.  But if you have lived on this planet you
    know that also. 
    
>      What in particular is it that terrifies you? I know for me that I get
>    a bit scared at times. Sometimes I just cannot communicate, I think
>    what I feel, and a majority of woman (IMHO) feel what they think. I am
 
    The capacity for violence in some men.  Some men's inability to
    extricate themselves from a strong need to WIN or have VICTORY.  Some
    men's inability to see that feeling can be as powerful as facts.  Stuff
    I can't control.  I am sometimes terrified by my need for them, and by
    their non-need for me.  I know I'm generalizing.  Sorry.
    
    
    And about your discussion with Tammy, I don't believe any one person
    can be a mind-reader.  If I had been in her shoes and felt comfortable
    enough expressing my needs to you (which I often have difficulty
    doing in this world, particularly in relationships), I would have asked
    you to escort me there, and possibly arranged to call you to pick me up
    when I was finished, if I was very frightened and if it wasn't too far
    to drive.  Or building security could have done it, or whatever.  
    
    Often there's this hidden expectation in people that their love will
    automagically (!) know how to meet their needs and they'll never have
    to ask.  It's the catch-22 of a woman I heard of always swearing to her
    friends about how her husband never brings her flowers - how DARE he
    not bring her flowers!  How awful of him!  When asked if he knew she
    *wanted* flowers, she said, "No....I never asked.".  Why would he bring
    her something he never knew she wanted?  But of course, she expressed
    she couldn't ask him, that way she wouldn't know why he was doing it,
    or she'd feel it was just because she'd asked, not because he wanted
    to.  
    
    Very complicated when *expectations* are unspoken.
    
    -Jody
    
803.26COMET::DYBENFri Jul 03 1992 12:238
    
    
    Jody,
    
      I understand! Thanks.
    
    
    David
803.27Woman answer Man ?PBANK::BISHOPPWed Dec 02 1992 10:583
    Is there a Woman answer Man note somewhere or do I have to start on ?
    
    Richard