Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Why are labels so important to so many people?  Is it necessary to have
a pigeonhole for everyone?

			Steve

    Steve,

    I will certainly agree with that. Perhaps that is the concept of .0 new
    age man. A non named, non pigeonhole man. Who does the right things for
    the right reason. Who is accepted by all factions regardless.

    Such a profound thought, I am going away and ponder what I just
    said....

    My definition of a 'New Age Man' is any guy who listens to Enya and
    consults runes when making a descision.  
    
    'New Age Men' smell like women.

>Thoughts? Is the above an agreed perception of the ideal modern man?
    
    You will not find an agreed perception of the ideal modern man
    anywhere.
    
    Particularly here.
    
    And probably not an intelligent discussion on the subject, either.
    
    

    I tend not to like "New Age Men" (just don't trust the little guys) but
    I never noticed that they smell like women.  Come to think of it, I
    never noticed that women all smelled alike.  Kris, maybe you should get
    out more...
    
    Ray

    A New Age man is a man who has just had a birthday.

    
    I'd rather be a new age man than an old age man.
    
    					- Vick

    New age men eat quiche.

       I wasn't trying to pigeon-hole anybody. What I was trying to do was
    clarify what the term meant, since it's so vague...
       I for one won't jump up right away when I hear that term, but it
    seems to have the effect of pigeon-holing men of certain beliefs. (And
    has all the crap associated with being pigeon-holed)
       I still am interested in people's perceptions of this term, and
    as to what it really means, but I'm not saying it could function as a
    label. I for one don't believe in slapping labels on everybody, but when
    other people use them, I like to know what they mean.
    
       Paul.
    

    To be honest, it has no meaning for me whatsoever.  Indeed, I never
    saw it before you wrote your base note.  
    
    
    				Steve

    
    I don't know, rather than call him a "new age" man, I prefer to call
    the men who I am beginning to notice cropping up in this world
    "renaissance men".
    
    They seem to have had this revolution from the inside out, that leads
    them to do whatever in life they are passionate about, honing a space
    in the world that lets them be powerful, and be gentle, and bring forth
    every idea and hunch they have into the world.  I'd call them "fully
    manifested people".  Like the only thing they have to fear is *not
    really having lived life* when all is said and done.  So they're
    *vitally* alive.  
    
    -Jody
    

    Thanks, Jody.  Pass me another slice of that quiche.
    
    					- Vick

    I think it means men who are not hung-up on only doing things that have
    been traditionally considered masculine, or macho.
    
    Lorna
    

    We're talking about SNAGs!  Sensitive New-Age Guys!
    
    					andrew

    re: .14
    
    Sure - Lorraine or Broccoli?
    
    -Jody

    Get out more?  What, and miss an evening with my oscilloscope and
    soldering iron?  No way, Ray.  
    
    I meant that New Age Men wear flowery cologne with weird names that
    makes them smell like pansies.  Real men smell like sweat and molten
    steel.

    
    Ah, but is it a Tektronix?  And how little flux can *you* get away with
    when tinning leads?
    
    cologne makes me sneeze,
    
    -Jody
    

    The worst I ever smell is like failed Arrid Extra Dry.  Actually, most
    new age guys don't wear cologne.  I thought cowboy types wore that
    stuff so they wouldn't have to bath before a date.
    
    					- Vick
    	

    Use flux core solder and you don't have to worry about it.
    
    Unless you're using a solder pot, then a little dab will do ya.
    
    And no REAL man would ever use anything other than a Tektronix
    scope.
    
    Mike 

    Of course it's a Tek scope.  You have to be a New Age man to use an HP
    O-scope.  I use an HP spec-a and sig-gen, though.  I'm passionate about
    my hardware.  (Nyuk)
    
    Hmmm.  Maybe you were right, Ray.  Maybe one night out a week would be
    good.  Get in some of that human interaction stuff I read about.

>And how little flux can *you* get away with when tinning leads?

 You need flux to tin leads?

    
    re: .24
    
    point!
    
    ah, but can you recite the color code from memory...
    
    -Jody
    

    re: .24
    
    yes.

    Ditto, but I still remember my high-school physics teacher turning
    red when he gave us a mnemonic for it.  
    
    			Steve

    But I can read a resistor without thinking about the colors.  It's just
    automatic, like reading a number.  Does that mean I'm a real man?
    
    					- Vick
    
    P.S.  I also have a chipped front tooth from stripping wire.

    .28
    
    why yes!  It does!  you win!
    
    -Jody
    

    Color codes are kid stuff.
    
    Even non-techies who work in the MLO complex learn the color codes
    from the bldg/flr designation stripes on the walls.
    
    And real men don't need oscilloscopes either.  They lick the wires
    and determine frequency and amplitude from the fibrillations.  They
    also check 9V batteries this way.

>    ah, but can you recite the color code from memory...

 Color codes? You mean those archaic indications of the values of axial leaded
resistors? How pass�! We use chip resistors now, and don't need no stinking
color codes... :-)

    
    alas, so much of my glory seems to have faded!  
    gone are the days!  the hours! spent in logical glory reducing Karnaugh
    maps and charting Bode plots!
    
    I guess I'm not a real man after all.... *snif*
    
    You clever young whippersnappers are just too much for me!
    ;)
    
    -Jody

    Any engineer worthy of the title will write a routine in LISP to design
    the circuit needed.
    
    Real men can do surface mount with a handheld irons.  Real cross-eyed
    men.

    Real REAL men use acetylene for surface mount components.

Sigh - what happened to the days of perfboard and terminal strips?

			Steve

    Real men remove hot vacuum tubes without the use of tube pullers.

    Real men check their toasters with knives.

    That explains why I'm always hearing that there are no Real Men around
    any more.
    
    Ray

.32>    maps and charting Bode plots!
    
    You did Bode plots?
    
    If you did Smith charts too, then I don't care what anyone says, you're
    a real man.

    re.38 <title>
    And REAL men prove that it's a software problem.
    
    
    -j
    

    re:string
    
    I expect to be a "new age" man on the 26th when I turn 33 of
    course I will return to being just a real man the next day.
    
    -j

        Did my apprenticeship  (in  UK)  back  in  the early 60's using
        nothing but hard/hand wired  paxolin  panel,  metal chassis and
        tubes.  Of course, in  the radar world, there were _real_ tubes
        - anyone remember overswing diodes about a foot tall? :^)
        
        One day, an instructor came in  holding  up  this  tiny device,
        saying:  "This is the way of  the  future!"  First transistor I
        ever saw.
        
        The apprenticeship  qualification  projects  were to build from
        raw materials, a  knife  switch, morse key and buzzer to a very
        demanding set of specs,  followed  by an audio amplifier (first
        design your circuit, _then_ mark,  cut,  fold  and  solder your
        aluminium chassis - but punch for  the  valve  bases while it's
        still flat.)
        
        Surface  mount? Teensy electric irons and rosin  cored  solder?
        hah!  Real men use(d) a parafin blow torch and a wooden handled
        iron,  tin of flux and bar solder and cleaned  up  with  killed
        spirits.
        
        Andy (ol' <deleted>)
        

    What geological epoch was that, Andy?

    I like it.  Can I use it, Andy?
    
    As far as the next beer, you know I never touch the stuff.  But I'll
    make the trip just to hear you make 'Lucille' sing.

re: .39

>    You did Bode plots?
>    
>    If you did Smith charts too, then I don't care what anyone says, you're
>    a real man.
    
    Bode plots, Smith charts, Nichols charts....
    yeah.
    
    *flex flex*.
    
    -Jody
    

        Sure Kris  - it's from an old original classic "SEE FIGURE ONE"
        which, along with  "Stan's  SPR"  should be preserved!  (I have
        both!!)
        
        Come on down -  I've  got  plenty  of  guitars  and amps as you
        know... :^)
        
        a
        

    re:.46
    
    All that and brains too?  I'm duly impressed!  (no joke!)

    "...EXACTLY ... " and the "New Age Man"?

    I think that I have recently witnessed that entity called a "New Age
    Man".

    I'm currently in Colorado Springs ... on vacation ... visiting noters,
    staying at David Dyben's place ... now ... three times in the last 12
    hours I've had the occasion to, shall we say, "challenge" David on
    issues that we were discussing.  What does he do when the discussion
    gets "heated" ... HE (LITERALLY) HIDES BEHIND HIS GIRLFRIEND!!!
                                     ------------------------------
    This! is a "new age man" ... or a common wimp?

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    Bubba

    PS - if there are any *real* men out there who would like to have some
    MANLY conversation ... send mail and let's get together while I'm in
    CS.

    
    -1 Beeler_Je
    
    
     Liar! I merely embraced Tammy for emotional and psychological
    support as you were screaming " Put your dukes up you Yankee Punk"
    
    
 Sincerely,
 
    David_A_sensititve_new_age_manly_man

I'm a tad confused.

Why would you stay at someone's place as a guest then publicily
insult them in a conference read all over Digital's world?

Or is this just a joke?

Confused of Newbury

Lee

    
    
    > or is this a joke
    
      Yo Hopkins I see college is finally paying off :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
    
    
    David         p.s.Yep he is joking, if he were serious I would not have
                     given him the access code to the clubhouse:-)

    Bubbah,
    
    Y'all have been in Colorado and some of us li'l old people di'nt even
    know about it.
    
    Shame on thee Bubbah!
    
    Meg

    
    Bubba, your more than welcome to join me at Hooters for wings, beer and
    fine conversation with the waitress du-jour to be followed with an
    evening of genuine, red-necked, butt kicking, dyed in the wool, short
    track, car crashing, american stock car racing.
    
    Ah yes, there are few things as fine as a bullring in front of ya, a
    babe next to ya, and a brewski in hand. Yeeeee-hhaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
    
    TC
    

    
    
    -1
    
      Tony,
    
      Have you been taking the medication the Doctors gave yah :-)
    
    
    
    David

    Sorry, Tony ... received your invitation too late ...:-(
    
    Bubba

    Oh ... Tony ... they're holdin' a redneck cussin', drinkin', and hell
    raisin' session at Old Chicago (North) beginning at 1630 today ...
    come on over ... I'll teach you how to drink.
    
    Bubba

    
    -1
    
      Hah!
    
    
    David

Hey, I thought this topic was about new age ideals and all that.

G'day

I'm reminded, whenever I think of `Iron Man' and the trips
out back to `discover oneself', of that bit in Crocodile
Dundee when the heroine is discussing her shrink an'all with
Mick (hero) and Mick looks at her as if she was a Martian
and asks,

       "Don't you have any mates?"


Maybe we Aussies are slightly different, but we didn't need
to wander out back and dress up as Indians; we talked to 
our school/surfing/drinking/anything mates.  May cost you
a couple of dollars for beers, but sure beats paying bulk $$
for a couch you never actually own.

...Lee

    Re: .61
    
    Lee, the perceived problem about talking with your mates is that in
    America, at least, mates tend more to discuss things that are nearer
    the surface.  The really deep down gut fears and needs aren't deemed
    fit for working out over a Black Swan.  And there is also the problem
    that if your mates have the same misconceptions you do, like maybe it's
    unseemly to show (or discuss) deep emotion, that kind of discussion can
    serve to reinforce them instead of defusing them and putting you in
    touch with the real you.
    
    And of course there's the immensely popular misconception that if it
    isn't painful or expensive or bad-tasting, then it can't be
    therapeutic.
    
    -dick

    
    Medication? Nahh, don't do that no more. Doc said it was better theropy
    to drive the dang things than to sit and watch 'em go round.
    
    Sorry you missed the occasion, Bubba. Unfortunatley, I work the swing
    shift and will not be able to partake of the fine malt beverages offered by
    said establishment in your offer.  No doubt it is my loss. Say, maybe
    David could do the honors fer me. I usually have an even dozen of the
    Paulener Hefe-Weizens if ya think yer man enough, eh?
    
    I shouldn't pick on Dave, though. He certainly is one of those
    sensitive type of guys, which some women definetly prefer. As far as
    the new age type of guy, h*ll, your guess is as good as mine. I haven't
    a clue of what they are supposed to be or do. I'm pretty dang happy
    being how I am and that's good enough fer me. Knowhutimean? 
    
    Tony

    re:.61
    
    Same here.  When it comes to discussing important problems, I much
    prefer close friends than strangers, paid or otherwise.

G'day

The only benefits I can see from paying someone are :

1) There is no personal `vested' interest and they have no 
   background history of you

2) It's sometimes easier to confess to a stranger than a friend

3) You value something more if you have to pay for it.


But I'm not rich so I have a couple of scotches, a bottle of
red and a good meal and put the world to rights with a friend.

Give me my mates anyday.

...Lee