[Search for users] [Overall Top Noters] [List of all Conferences] [Download this site]

Conference quark::mennotes-v1

Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

728.0. "Martin Luther King: the Man, the Message" by ASDG::FOSTER (radical moderate) Tue Jan 21 1992 21:22

    Is Martin Luther King Jr. a "men's topic"?
    
    I guess we'll see.
T.RTitleUserPersonal
Name
DateLines
728.1Dear Martin, Thank You For Your MessageASDG::FOSTERradical moderateTue Jan 21 1992 21:29181
    I'm reposting this from Soapbox. Martin Luther King Jr. had a BIG
    impact on me. Maybe a lot of it has to do with being black, but not all
    of it. His message of love has some serious appeal...
    
    There was an editorial in the Middlesex News that started with "Dear
    Martin, Just Writing to Let You Know..." My letter takes that flavor as
    well. I hope others who are so inclined will consider sharing their
    views. My personal belief is that King's Legacy was never meant to
    belong exclusively to black people. So, don't let your race stop you
    from writing.
    

    I am a person who grapples with Martin's human frailties: womanizing
    and plagarizing. But at the same time, if his DR. title was stripped
    away, I think I'd be comfortable, because he EARNED his Nobel Prize. I
    spent the weekend reading his speeches and hearing his sermons, and
    seeing the love he had in his heart, and the dream he had in his mind
    for America. For black people AND white people. He did make a BIG
    difference. I don't think any black person would ever be stupid enough
    to say he didn't. White people who say such don't surprise me
    anymore... (a response to a comment in Soapbox.)
    
    So, here's my letter.
                                                    
    
    
    
                                                          
                                                           Jan 20th, 1992
    
    
    Dear Martin,
         First, let me thank you for speaking the words which came from
    your heart. Its been 25+ years, and some of them, we know from memory.
    That you had a dream. That you had seen the promised land, and although
    you might not get there yourself, you knew we would some day. That you
    believed that little black boys and girls and little white boys and
    girls would someday hold hands together. That when you had to explain
    to your young children that black children couldn't go to the local
    amusement park, something snapped inside, and that's just one reason
    "why we can't wait".
         Nina Simone wrote a song called "The King of Love is Dead" as a
    eulogy. It hurt a lot of us Martin, to lose you, to lose your idealism
    in a world where idealism is so often laughed at and ridiculed, and
    worse still believed to be ineffective. That March on Washington is
    STILL a rich memory in the minds of 300,000 people who were there, as
    well as countless others who were glued to the TV screen, trying to be
    a part of a miracle. We've never, ever had a more successful march,
    Martin. Not on any topic.
    
       Its not fun to tell you how it is now. Nobody is holding high the
    torch of love like you did in the sixties. Nobody has arms high enough
    to get the torch up there. Hate rules, Martin. Hate and violence. I
    have my torch. I hold it as high as I can. But sometimes, I succumb.
    Love is a hard thing to hold in your heart toward everyone these days.
    
    	You probably want to know how black folks are doing. Its a mixed
    bag, Martin. Innocent children don't get hosed down and have dogs sent
    out to attack them... but oh, you should see what happens if someone
    thinks we're guilty. Criminals are the first line for turning hate
    towards. Everyone thinks they're a legitimate target. People who were
    KNOWN to have done wrong... its just that a lot of 'em are black,
    Martin. They say its not a race thing. But sometimes, sometimes, I
    think the color of our criminal population makes it just a little
    easier for folks to pretend they aren't human. We've got 600,000 black
    men in the penal system, Martin. And a lot of them don't have much to
    hope for.
    
    Hope is the operative word. I think you gave people a special hope...
    but they took it too far. We had the dream, and we decided we couldn't
    wait. But the pendulum stopped swinging at a certain point, and even if
    it isn't as bad as it was, we're so busy talking about the fact that
    we're not as far as we expected to get, that sometimes we won't admit
    that where we are is better than Jim Crow days. You never said it would
    be easy, you never said it would happen overnight. And you said love
    was the key. People seem to have forgotten that last part... we're
    quick to take love out of the recipe and then wonder why it doesn't
    happen.
    
    	What's happening to us, you ask? We've got a few folks who are
    working REAL hard to make a difference. Coretta, especially. You'd be
    REAL proud of her, Martin. She wants to keep your dream alive. There's
    a woman named Oprah Winfrey who's made some money in talk shows, and
    she's sharing it, investing it in black people and education. In
    helping young black women make something more of their lives than just
    babies. And then there's Bill Cosby. Did you see him on I Spy with
    Robert Culp? He's also doing good things with his millions. And trying
    to be a positive role model who cuts across race, trying to touch the
    hearts of all people. And there's Stevie Wonder. The little blind kid
    with the harmonica. His music is so filled with love. He also wrote a
    song about you. We've put some blacks in office. We have a black
    governor in Virginia. A black mayor in New York and Chicago and LA.
    White people heard your message, Martin, and some of them really are
    willing to judge people by the content of their character instead of
    the color of their skin. Jesse Jackson developed this thing called a
    Rainbow Coalition. It had your flavor, Martin. And there were white
    people who felt that, and decided to rally when he ran for president.
    Your touches are felt everywhere. Sometimes they are subtle. Sometimes
    they ring with love and harmony. And it does *ME* good to remember some
    of the positive things.
    
    	But yes, a lot of us are still poor. We're seeing a further
    deterioration of the family. The things you predicted about families
    when "responsibly black men are forced to act irresponsibly", when a
    black woman raising a family alone can sometimes do better with a
    Welfare check than she does with a husband on minimum wage... it did
    hurt us Martin. Just as you predicted. We have a new group of children
    with little hope. They're not sure what good education is. They don't
    know if "the system" will give them jobs. They don't always know love
    in their own homes. They don't have enough role models. Not enough
    people reach out to them. And when they have no hope, they get angry.
    Violent. Abusive. Its black kids, white kids, Chinese kids, etc. We
    had punk and now have skinheads. We have hate music representing life
    "in the street". We have gang wars where kids shoot kids over drugs...
    or sneakers... or dating women of the wrong race... or being thought
    to. And when these people grow up, they're still intolerant. The KKK is
    back with a vengeance, and well-meaning, "neutral" people cite the 1st
    Amendment instead of questioning the whys and generating harmonious
    solution. People don't seem to WANT love and harmony.
    
    	The pie, the big American pie, doesn't look infinite anymore, and
    we fight for our piece of it. We jump on the race bandwagon so quickly.
    We have factionalized. Its RARE that we remember that we're have being
    American in common. It doesn't count for enough any more. We have this
    "Afro-centric" movement that would make you wonder. Its not like we
    haven't claimed kinship to Africa before. My 80+ year old aunt says
    this is the THIRD time this century we've revived the theme. But
    somehow, we get into this trap of dividing ourselves with it. If you
    don't espouse it, you're branded. And heaven forbid if you actually
    believe in integration - NOT assimilation - and haven't let go of the
    Dream about little black children and little white children. Sometimes
    these people write letters, like this one, subtly putting down your
    dream, talking about how out of date you are. They probably say Jesus
    is out of date, too... They'd rather talk about John's Revelation, and
    try to figure out who's going to burn in hell. 
    
    	Martin, I know you were human. I won't even go into all the things
    I know... the things the FBI talked about. The things ABERNATHY talked
    about. The things the universities question. But we need more people
    who had your dream. More people with your message. People don't believe
    that love is a valid answer to the world's dilemmas.  But I just
    haven't seen any other answer that doesn't include people dying, not
    just "not afraid to die". 
    
        We're killing each other in horrible numbers and nobody says enough
    of anything to make a difference. We make babies that we haven't the
    resources or fortitude to raise, much less enough love in our hearts.
    There ARE new issues. But the message of love still holds. I know
    that's the part that you would never change, Martin. 
    
         I want you to know that I hold your message deep in my heart.
    And I've met others who do. Who try to approach the world with love.
    Who hate the sin but love all sinners. Who believe that respecting your
    fellow person is the right thing to do. Who know that the more people
    of EVERY nationality we get working together, the better chance we have
    of making America great... we still exist Martin.
    
    	And I promise, not just on the one day that they named in your
    memory, but every day that I can, I'll try to act on your dream. To
    love people, or as they say in my religion (I'm Buddhist), have
    compassion. Its hard to turn the other cheek, but I *have* learned that
    its easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar. And that my words
    reach more people when I show my compassion for people's differences
    instead of annoyance.
    
    	Maybe it doesn't seem like much if you only get one letter from one
    person saying that I wholeheartedly believe in your dream. 
    
    But I know, in the depths of my soul, that I am not alone.
    
    
    
    
    
    
    			Thank you for being such a great messenger,
    
    
                                 Lauren Foster 
    
728.2WOW!RIPPLE::KENNEDY_KApfffffffttttTue Jan 21 1992 22:011
    
728.3APPLAUSE....!!!CSC32::SCHIMPFThu Jan 23 1992 00:354
    VERY WELL PUT !!!!!
    
    
    Jeff
728.4...But sad:-(,,,,NMSUV2::NAMThu Jan 23 1992 10:451
    			Nice
728.5DELNI::STHILAIREFood, Shelter & DiamondsThu Jan 23 1992 14:3612
    re .1, how come you didn't mention Spike Lee when you were naming
    famous Black people who are continuing to make a difference?  Afterall,
    he is the most successful Black film maker so far.  I'd be curious to
    hear what Martin would think of him.  (I think Spike Lee is a
    fascinating person myself.)  I was curious if you just didn't happen to
    think of him or if you deliberately excluded him for some reason?
    
    I think MLK, Jr. probably did more to try to make the U.S. a better
    place than any other single person of our lifetime has.
    
    Lorna
    
728.6Lee did do both of them, didn't he?VMSSG::NICHOLSConferences are like apple barrelsThu Jan 23 1992 14:452
    I wonder whether "Hood" and "Juice" are quite the difference Dr. King
    had in mind
728.7He did it!ESGWST::RDAVISYou have grapeThu Jan 23 1992 14:516
    Lee did neither of them.  They were directed by two different black
    men.
    
    (Can Ray resist making the obvious remark?)
    
    Ray
728.8DELNI::STHILAIREFood, Shelter & DiamondsThu Jan 23 1992 14:5311
    No, Lee did not do Juice.  It was done by the cinematographer of his
    previous movies, and is considered to be much less sophisticated than
    any of Lee's movies.
    
    I, personally, think Spike Lee is an example of the change Dr. King
    wanted.  Spike Lee is a black man, who has a lot of power, because he
    is widely respected for his creativity and genius.  Thirty years ago a
    black man couldn't have achieved that in this country.
    
    Lorna
    
728.9WAHOO::LEVESQUEFailure is only a temporary inconvenienceThu Jan 23 1992 16:2020
 I saw an interesting op-ed piece asking Spike Lee to stop hawking Nike
footwear. It made alot of sense.

 It turns out that Nike used to make their sneakers in New England, but 
abandoned the area when they determined that they could go to Indonesia
and find workers willing to work for a whopping $.15 per hour. Think of
it; you can get 10 hours of work for under $2. Such a deal.

 Meanwhile, you've got black men like Micheal Jordan, David Robinson and
Spike Lee hawking sneakers that are selling for well over $100 a pair.
Where is all the money going? well, plenty of it's going to Nike,
but an awful lot is going to the sports superstars. It is almost certain
that the superstars are making more money per shoe than the workers. Such
a deal! Iff you are a superstar.

 And what's happening to these shoes? Well, they are finding themselves
on the feet of an awful lot of "the brothers" who simply cannot afford
them. That really helps 'em out, yaknow? Not to mention the violence associated
with these high priced high profile conspicuous consumption items. Maybe
Spike of the social conscience oughtta reconsider this particular endorsement...
728.10DELNI::STHILAIREFood, Shelter & DiamondsThu Jan 23 1992 16:4912
    re .9, I agree with you about the sneaker business, and don't know what
    Spike Lee would have to say in his own defense, but I don't think that
    negates artistry and creativity of his movies.  There's good and bad in
    almost everyone and everything.
    
    On the other hand, I suppose it could be looked upon as another
    advancement for Black Americans.  In the old days only white men were
    really able to grab capitalism by the tail and exploit workers in such
    a fashion.
    
    Lorna
    
728.11HEYYOU::ZARLENGAl70lbs of hickey baitThu Jan 23 1992 17:205
    The note in .1 is excellent and I hope 'Ren decides to send it into
    the Globe's letters to the editor section, because it deserves more
    recognition than this forum can provide.

    Is that too obvious a hint?  :^)
728.12An answer.... (Mike, I'm workin' on it.)ASDG::FOSTERradical moderateThu Jan 23 1992 19:1014
    
    re Lorna.
    
    Spike Lee just didn't come to mind when I was writing that piece,
    Lorna. And I'm not sure that I would tell Martin about him, even though
    he is remarkable. His messages have little love in them, unlike Cosby
    or Stevie Wonder. He is not targetting a unified umbrella as are many
    black public officials who seek to represent a multicultural
    constituency.
    
    He sends the message "this is what being black is about". And yes, he
    does it well. But, aside from the fact that I have felt overwhelmed by
    his negativity in the few movies of his that I've seen, I just wasn't
    sure Martin would have been moved by his love, warmth and compassion.
728.13DELNI::STHILAIREFood, Shelter & DiamondsFri Jan 24 1992 08:1110
    re .12, 'ren, thanks for your reply.  I find it interesting, because I
    don't find Spike Lee's movies to be overwhelmingly negative - and I'm
    white.  
    
    Now, what about Alice Walker? :-)  (A sharecropper's daughter getting a
    Pulitzer Prize is pretty impressive to me.  But, you might feel that
    she's not reaching a wide enough audience either?)
    
    Lorna
    
728.14Keepin' it brief... (So Lorna, what do YOU think Of MLK?)ASDG::FOSTERradical moderateFri Jan 24 1992 09:044
    
    Quite frankly, I'm not sure if Martin could have related to where she
    is coming from. And again, she's not trying to break down racial
    barriers, she's trying to tell it like it is, good and bad. 
728.15DELNI::STHILAIREYou woke up my neighborhoodFri Jan 24 1992 10:0913
    re .14, 'ren, what do I think of MLK, Jr.?  Well, like I said in the
    last sentence of my first reply to this topic, I think he did more than
    any other single person to make the US a better place to live, in the 
    second half of this century.  I think his life will always be a
    testimony that one person can make a huge difference.  I think he was
    also one of the bravest men of his time.  I think it took more courage
    than most people have to do the things he did.  I think his reported
    sexual escapades detract nothing from the good he brought about during
    his lifetime.  It makes me feel very  angry to think what a short life
    he got to live.
    
    Lorna
    
728.16ASDG::FOSTERradical moderateFri Jan 24 1992 15:596
    
    Jesus didn't live long either...
    
    I think people who are able to make something wonderful out of every
    day of their lives are the most fortunate. No matter what day they die,
    they leave an incredible legacy.