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Title:Topics Pertaining to Men
Notice:Archived V1 - Current file is QUARK::MENNOTES
Moderator:QUARK::LIONEL
Created:Fri Nov 07 1986
Last Modified:Tue Jan 26 1993
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:867
Total number of notes:32923

623.0. "Boyz N the Hood - A Movie for Men" by ASDG::FOSTER (Calico Cat) Mon Jul 22 1991 12:35

    I saw Boyz N the Hood over the weekend, and it had a profound impact on
    me. According to interviews with the writer/director, (?John Singleton,
    age 23), there is a clear message that it takes a strong, loving,
    authoritarian father to raise a son to manhood, especially in an area
    surrounded by poverty and despair.
    
    In the end, the one son with a strong father turns out well. The other
    two boys raised by a mother who alternately dotes on one and harrasses
    and condemns the other, end up badly.
    
    Is this generalization too sweeping, or do others agree?
    
    Also, there is a final scene of male bonding as one of the sons comes
    to acknowledge the fact that his mother doesn't really love him. I was
    wretched by how long it took his companion to reach out to him, both
    physically and verbally. They did the male pat-on-the-back thing at the
    end, but that was as close as they came.
    
    How do you respond to a fellow male in despair? Does silence = acquiescence?
    Is sympathy undesirable? Is an embrace unmanly?
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623.1Just one aspectSRATGA::SCARBERRY_CIMon Jul 22 1991 15:2031
    First, I'm not a man so this is from my (female) perspective.
    
    Anyway, I asked this man once about his time in prison and how the
    men related during their couseling sessions.  He said that counseling
    or the "let your feelings out" therapy group sessions were not very
    helpful in that in this particular enviornment, where a man has
    an image or a front to protect, he's not going to express himself
    with any group of men.  He'd be setting himself up for ridicule.
     So I think the enviornment and trust has a lot to do with how men,
    or anyone, will let their guard down.
    I asked him, don't these men want to be helped in understanding
    where they coming from?  And with other men around, wouldn't that
    lend to a good support group.  He said, no of course not, I can't
    explain it exactly.
    
    From my own observations, I'd think that a man, in a general sense,
    has a certain "front" to protect.  I'm not exactly sure what I mean
    in this sense of the word, "front", but when you're out in the world,
    especially on your own, you have to think of yourself and your
    survival.  Throw the first punch as hard as you can before he gets
    you first.  That's your best chance.  And this world, or at least
    in the world that these boyz live in, the other man is your opponent.
     You can't start to get touchy-feely with men, it may let your guard
    down.
                       
    I definitely agree that a strong father benefits their sons.  I
    see the results everyday in my neighborhood as well as in my own
    life.  I don't believe that a father doesn't matter in  the family.
     He is very very important.  His absence does make a difference
    and it's observable in those children.  A single mom has a hard
    life.  And loving gets harder.
623.2my two centsSOLANA::BROWN_ROThere is no sanity clauseThu Jul 25 1991 20:3144
    I haven't seen this movie yet, but would like to.
    
    >there is a clear message that it takes a strong, loving,
    >authoritarian father to raise a son to manhood, especially in an area
    >surrounded by poverty and despair.              
    
    From what I've read about the director, this is basically an
    an autobiographical film, and this is the situation that worked for
    him. He might believe this is the only way, but he is only 23 years
    old, too.
    
    I certainly haven't worked my way out of poverty, but I would think
    that it would take a great deal of hard work and self-discipline to
    do so, and having that role model from a parent of either sex would
    work. I've heard men say that it was the strong influence of their
    mothers that made them the success they are. Sometimes some other
    significant adult figure can do the trick, such as a guardian.
    
    >In the end, the one son with a strong father turns out well. The other
    >two boys raised by a mother who alternately dotes on one and harrasses
    >and condemns the other, end up badly.
    
    This sounds to me, on the face of it, that it is her inconsistent and
    thereby hypocritical behavior that gives a confused message to her
    kids. This leaves them without a healthy role-model in the home.
    
    >How do you respond to a fellow male in despair? Does silence = acquiescence?
    >Is sympathy undesirable? Is an embrace unmanly? 
    
    I think this depends on a wide variety of factors, much of it having to
    do with the way affection is generally expressed in the family, and
    this again goes back to role models. Many guys are very uncomfortable
    with it.
    
    -roger