Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    Sounds great.  Is this commonly available at newstands?  - Vick

    
    yep, especially at leftleaning bookshops..

    Are there any left-leaning bookshops in New Hampshire?   :^)

>>    Are there any left-leaning bookshops in New Hampshire?   :^)

I don't know about that, but you can pick it up at the Paper Store in 
Maynid (Maynard for those of you who didn't grow up here 8-), which is
about as middle-of-the-road as you can get.

>>>Ken

>    Are there any left-leaning bookshops in New Hampshire?   :^)

    Probably not :-), but I picked it up at the BookSmith at the Pheasant
Lane Mall.

    .2> especially at leftleaning bookshops ...
    
    I'll never see it in Beelersfield then.  If I had it mailed to me it
    would have to be in a plain brown wrapper and sent to a post office
    box ... I would never allow it to be delivered to my home.
    
    Summary of the articles may be in order.
    
    Bubba

    Nah, Jerry.  I'd send it to you in a large red envelope labeled
    "COMMUNIST PROPAGANDA ENCLOSED".  Most likely it'll remain on
    your doorstep until you return home late in the day.
    
    My morning you'll be run out of town ... :^)
    
    Seriously, could the basenoter enter an excerpt from one of
    the articles?
    
    LArry

>>    I'll never see it in Beelersfield then.  If I had it mailed to me it
>>    would have to be in a plain brown wrapper and sent to a post office
>>    box ... I would never allow it to be delivered to my home.

It's not as totally left-leaning as you might think it is.  The article
following these is about why one woman decided she needs to carry a pistol.
Not very PC to me.
    
>>    Summary of the articles may be in order.

I'll see what I can do.  These will be very brief overviews. 

Time to pull together - Talks about the change in the role of men from husbands 
and farmers to the father who works all day and then comes home and is too
tired for the kids.  Sites statistics that are three to four times more likely
to abuse alcohol and drugs, commit suicide, and have stress related illnesses 
such as cancer and heart disease.  Even worse for minority men.  "Homocide is
the leading cause of death among black males ages 15 to 24."  60% of high
school drop outs are male.  80% of the homeless are male.  

It also talks about the *Male Mystique*, i.e. this is the way men are.  The
author's point in this essay is that men are more like this because the the
culture than biology.  

There's a lot more to this article than I have time to type in right now.



Husbandry - Talks about man's connection to the land.  Whereas the women's
movement has focused on woman as nuturers of the land (and therefore more
in touch with it), men should see themselves more as protectors of nature,
similar to protectors of the family.


Men we Carry in our Minds - The author talks about the hard life of the men
in his native Appalachia and how life for them was incessant, backbreaking
work which made the men of that area old before their time.  In his eyes,
the women had a much better deal than the men.  Then, when he managed to 
go to college, the people there came from middle and upper class families,
the lives of the people were very different.  For them, the men had all the
power, and the women saw the men as the oppressors.  The author points out
that men are not the oppressors by the fact they are male, but by their 
position.


Angry Young Men - The author (a women) points out that some young men who
commit horrible crimes are the same young men who in the past would have
worked in well-paying manufacturing positions, but now only have low-paying 
services jobs to look forward to.  In other words, it's hard to get ahead
and grab part of the American Dream when you don't make enough money to 
hope to buy a house and support a family.



These are very broad generalizations.  Please let me know if you got a
different interpretation.  (I might have a different interpretation an
hour from now 8-)  

I'll write more when I can.

>>>Ken  

    I think that "vertical" is considered left-leaning in New Hampshire. In
    Bubba's territory, left-leaning is anything other than prone (the
    leftward extreme being supine -- slightly obscure sexual reference here).
       
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       |  ^  |    Smiley-face stolen from B. Ashforth, 1991
       \ \_/ /    (my mods - flat-top haircut and minimal cranial capacity)
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    I'm pretty sure that Utne (means "flouride" in leftspeak) is available
    at the Out-of-Town in Harvard Square (naturally). Sounds like it's
    worth a trip, and I'm game for typing in some highlights. We need some
    meat in this conference (THERE'S a red-blooded male expression!).
    
    - Hoyt

    Booksmith in PLM is sold out.  - Vick

>    I think that "vertical" is considered left-leaning in New Hampshire. In
>    Bubba's territory, left-leaning is anything other than prone (the
>    leftward extreme being supine -- slightly obscure sexual reference here).

No, in Bubba's territory anything "left-leaning" is anything that's not
white-Anglo-Protestant-male-heterosexual-driving a red pickup truck-gun
rack in back-Republican-beer drinking-women chasing-bluejeans-cowboy hat-
cowboy boots-and chawin' tobacco.

DEC sent me out here because I blend right into the woodwork ... now ...
back to more serious matters ... I called the largest magazine distributor
in town and asked 'em if they had that one ... they asked me if had
anything to do with the Ute Indian tribe (seriously) .. so .. keep
posting the summaries.

Thanks,
Bubba_the_DECredneck

>It's not as totally left-leaning as you might think it is.  The article
>following these is about why one woman decided she needs to carry a pistol.
>Not very PC to me.

 How did they treat it? Did they enter snide editorial comments? The use of 
language can convey alot more meaning than the literal, and this ability is 
frequently exploited by writers who hold agendas. I'd be interested in seeing
what nuances were used to color the story, if any.

>I think that "vertical" is considered left-leaning in New Hampshire.

 I think that "slightly inclined from supine" is considered not only 
right-leaning, but neo-fascist in Massachusetts. :-)

 The Doctah

    
    I'm going to check our local stores here - but in Colorado, I think
    neo-facist is considered left-leaning.   
    
    -m

    I received a "reduced rate, money-back-if-you-don't-like-it"
    subscription offer last year from Utne Reader.  I thought I
    would like it, so I sent for it.  I read the first copy from
    cover-to-cover, and sent them a letter asking for my money
    back.  (I got it.)
    
    Too strident for me.  Every article seemed to be screaming at
    me.  Every article seemed to be negative about everything.
    I don't have the energy to be that angry about the state of
    the courts, infrastructure, crime, graft, race relations, 
    relations of the sexes, ecological disasters, etc, etc.
    
    A friend (at work) gave me a copy of one of the articles 
    from the issue on the men's movement.  As I began to read it, 
    I noticed that the second page of the article was missing.  
    So, I found my friend, got the magazine and copied the second
    page.  Then I read the second page, and realized I could have
    done without it.  The second page was just paragraph after
    paragraph of how bad it is for men, what a terrible thing it
    is to be male in the United States in 1991, blah, blah, blah.
    I realized I could have read the article without the second
    page and it would have made no difference, except that I 
    would have been less "steamed up" about it, or less "overwhelmed"
    by it.  The second page was only meant to raise my blood
    pressure and make me either fanatical, or depressed.
    
    Maybe it is useful to raise other people's consciousness by
    screaming at them.  But it doesn't help me.
    
    Wil

    There's a left-leaning magazine store in Portsmouth (but I
    think that's because it's in a 200 year old building whose
    foundation is sinking ;-).
    
    Ken, if I can't find an issue, I might impose on you
    for a copy of "Why are gay men so feared?"  Can you
    give the highlights of the article?  Thanks,
    
    Richard

>>    Ken, if I can't find an issue, I might impose on you
>>    for a copy of "Why are gay men so feared?"  Can you
>>    give the highlights of the article?  Thanks,

Didn't bring it in today, but I'll try to tomorrow.

>>>Ken

In Colorado Springs, one can find the Utne Reader at Hathaway's on No.
Tejon St., just north of the Chinook Book Store.  

It was a good series of articles.  I read them all during a bout with
insomnia this morning; usually reading puts me back to sleep under those
conditions, but this was just too good to put down.

Did anyone read the original series of articles in Utne around five years
ago?  I don't think that back issue is available anymore.

/Mike

    Too bad we didn' get the articles posted.  The July/August issue of
    "Utne Reader" had some interesting comments on the articles:
    
    "It is with great disappointment that I note on your editorial page
    that you tout Andrew Imbrell's article 'A time for men to pull
    together', as visionary.  It is neither 'timely' nor 'visionary'.
    
    "This whine-athon ....."
    
    "Warren Farrell's article 'Men as success objects' is whining trying to
    masquerade as informed opinion...Come on, Warren Farrell, talk to some
    real people and join the late 20th century".
    
    The one that really caught my eye was the "whine-athon" comment ...now
    my curiosity has been inspired ...
    
    Bubba