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    This will probably be in Cosmopolitian or some such mag as a way to get
    'the perfect man.' I really find these to be sooo shallow. I would
    never want a woman who chose me because of some study of what nnn finds
    is xxx. Who knows, next month yyy magazine may have a 'new' research
    into some area of nebulish data. This easily swayed woman would
    probably then dump me because of this new yyy mag.
    
    This stuff is increadably stupid....right up there with the National
    Inquirer!
    
    Steve_whose_eyebrows_are_getting_bushier___any_takers?

If bushy eyebrows were the only criteria.....



Then Mike Dukakis would be our president!

All other political comments aside....I agree with .1, these surveys are 
really dumb.....

    Vic H (Who also has bushy eyebrows and might meet some ofthe other 
characteristics but so what!)

    HEY!  Don't knock Cosmo!  That's my favorite raga....magazine!
    
    I mean, where else would we find articles such as....."What Cosmo
    Girls Like Best in Foreplay"; or "Is (Over) Eating Your Substitute
    for Lovemaking?"; or "When (Otherwise) Peaceful Women Go Berserk,
    What Ticks Them Off"
    
    I could not LIVE without...."Learning to Live With (and Like) a
    Neurotic Man"
    
    jonathan (neurotic? what do you mean neurotic? who says i'm neurotic?)
    

    Gosh, one always hears a different thing when it comes to "what appeals
    most to women"...must be a depressing thing to read for people that
    just underwent some cosmetic surgery and notice they've invested their
    $5000 in the wrong nose...well, at least Michael Jackson must be
    relieved to see he did the right thing in butchering his nose down to a
    microscopic size...
    ...Paul (who has a cute and fleshy big nose, small but lively eyes, but
             at 6+ft and athletic 84kgs and as long as there's someone left
             to call him "witty" and "cute" will care a damn for what
             these benighted and unmature college students said...)
            (good grief, did they really say "small nose" and "big
             eyes"???)(I'd have sworn I was more trendy..)
    

    Hmmm ... small nose and big eyes ... I guess if you looked like E.T.
    you'd be in business then !  8^)
    
    Scary

    And try to imagine E.T. with bushy eyebrows...a dream come true for
    American college students...man, I know what my costume for next year's
    carnival will be...with my newly won sex appeal I'd make Errol Flynn's
    yacht parties look like some harmless boyscout gathering...
    ...Paul

    Paul,
    
    .5 looks like it belongs in the singles notefile. :')
    
    Mike,
    

    Since when does the *average* man have large eyes, a small nose and a
    strong chin???? !!!!!   
    
    Lorna
     

 I dispute the premise. :-)

    re .8
    
    Just a desperate try at establishing my self-esteem again!
    
    Besides, I assume the singles-conference is just plagued with the
    average female college student...the one that looks for a small nose
    and...rot them...they never fall for the right guy (which happens to be
    us!), right?

    I guess the preceding assumes (once again) that a man with an attractive
    face should/must/ought'ta have Caucasian features.
    
    Larry

    re: .12
    
    Bravo, Larry.
    
    E Grace

Actually, all it means is that the surveyed college women were predominantly
Caucasian.  It doesn't pay to attach too much signficance to such studies.

			Steve

>      <<< Note 502.11 by FRAIS3::LIESENBERG "Kierkegaard was right..." >>>

>    Besides, I assume the singles-conference is just plagued with the
>    average female college student...


	You know what happens when you ass-u-me, don't you?

	kath

    re .15
    
    Ouch! I deserve the mental thrashing...I plead guilty of opening my trap
    before engaging my brain, spreading around some feeble-minded
    misconception about the participants in the SINGLES-conference...at
    least now I ASSUME it was a misconception (wouldn't the world be boring
    if we'd only talk about the things we KNOW??) :-}
    ...Paul             

    What follows is a description of the average male: 
    
              2 arms  
              2 legs
              1 face (I was going to say head, but we know where that'd go)
              1 set of sexual organs (which sometimes have a mind of their own)
              1 torso
              2 hands (sometimes more when on a date)
              2 feet
              1 neck (sometimes neck may be optional)
                hair (in my case getting redistributed)
              1 brain (amount of use depends upon individual & circumstances) 
    
    
    
    Mike

    I don't know.  Somehow this all smacks of a return to phrenology.
    
    My ideal man is male.
    
    E Grace

    E, surely you have *some* standards.  :-)
    
    -- Mike

    No, Mike.  Even you might have a chance!
    
    Well, you did ask for it!
    
    (*8
    
    E Grace

    E Grace
    
    Having had the great pleasure of meeting Mike, he is definitely
    worth getting to know and being around.
    
    :-)
    
    Bonnie

    Oh, hanging head, scuffing toe, furious blushing!
    
    E Grace

    E Grace,
    
    Just get a couple of jars of vegiemite! :-)
    
    Bonnie

   >>> Just get a couple of jars of vegiemite!
    
    
    Uummm....humh?
    
    E Grace

    E Grace,
    
    ask Mike ;-)
    
    Bonnie
    
    

    G'Day,
    
    >Just get a couple of jars of vegiemite! :-)
                                     ^
    
    Bonnie, how dare you misspell one of Australia's greatest exports :-)
    
    Do you folks get Vegemite over there?  If you don't I could probably
    arrange some.
    
    David.
    

    Wrong, it's not that women fall for Mr Average, the truth, as new
    pschological research reveals, is that gererally men and women fall for
    the WRONG one.
    Dr Frederichs, who is a renowned German psychologist, said that his
    research and surveys show him that men and women tend to fall for a
    person that can NOT fulfil their yearnings and expectations...Why?
    Because it's said we subconsciously look for someone who can solve our
    childhood fears and behavioural shortcomings, and therefore we often
    end up with people that are our diametrical opposite. Simply said: if
    you're over-active, you fall for an over-passive person etc. Therefore
    many relationships end up having very serious incompatibilities, for
    due to the mismatch in expectations, finally the fear, the feeling of 
    being threatened and losing one's identity takes over.
    Mind you, this was written in the enjoyable last page that brings the
    "news you can discuss about at lunch time with any half-wit", like some
    lion running away from the zoo, the occasional plane crash, Dan Quayle's 
    last blunder etc, but still it's interesting.

    Seems as if we're all emotional masochists somehow, eh?

    ...Paul

    re .27  Aussie issues
    
    What the hell is Vegemite? Seems in Germany we're quite an
    underdeveloped country when it comes to that, even though we get to see
    Aussie rules Football in cable TV (which looks like a schoolyard in a
    frenzy to me...even though the female audience sometimes appreciates
    the revealing trunks and shirts of the players, or at least they make a
    great joke out of it..)...
    Seems two good Australian friends of mine failed miserably at expanding
    my narrow horizons...
    ...Paul

    
>    What the hell is Vegemite? Seems in Germany we're quite an
 

	Isn't vegemite similar to the British Marmite...which
	is horrible stuff. It's some kind of yeast spread that
	they put on toast and make sandwiches out of. The smell
	is 'orrible too....though if you have sinus problems 
	a whiff of the stuff might cure you.  :-)



	kits

Vegemite is available in the US if you look hard enough.  Bonnie's comment
was referring to Mike V's wanting to have some, and Hugh Thomas brought him
a jar at the spring H_R party in Colorado.

Now back to the original topic....

			Steve

    G'Day,
    
    	Vegemite is like the British Marmite (but ours is better :-) ).  It
    is a yeast extract and is very good for you.  Normal use is on toast or
    on nice fresh bread sandwiches.  It can also be used with boiling water
    as a kind of beef drink - a lot like Bonox.  It really is a product
    that you either like or you hate.
    
    	Sorry Steve but because of time differences I only get to answer
    notes about 12 hours after the US enter them.  If anybody wants to know
    anything else about Vegemite or indeed anything else Australian then
    mail me as we really should now return to the original topic.
    
    David.
    

    Let me guess, mike: you tend to date shy, unassertive women who are
    terrified of giving offense.
    
    - Hoyt

    re: .32 et al -
    
    	Why anybody would actually WANT to know about Marmite (or vegemite
    for that matter) will be an eternal mystery to me. Whilst in the U.K.
    we did see a few blokes spreading the stuff (looks like axle grease) on
    bread for lunch mind you! Obviously their mothers never gave them a
    very good founding in nutritional basics. But those were the same
    blokes who had to live on �25 a week including food, shelter and
    transportation - so maybe I understand why they might subject
    themselves to the stuff!

    re .34 "shy, unassertive women" 
    
    you just made my day...
    
    lee t

    RE:37
    
    I dont think that women are unassertive but are made to feel that 
    way by men as they think that they are the more powerful sex.
    
    I rest my case
    
    strong minded
    

    RE: .38  You know, I happen to know Lee T.  I would stand to say that
    she is every strong minded AND assertive... But the one thing that she
    aint (unlike you dear person) is ignorant to the other half of the
    species.....

    re .39   aw shucks al...
    
    re .38   isn't it embarassing to assume "lee" is a man's name?

    Lee, a small "a" for my name???? whadeye do?  :-)
    
    also, I am glad you also read it as if he/she thought your were of the
    male species too!
    

    awww, Al, it's too strenuous to use my caps key (she whines).
    
    there are days when a gender-neutral name is fun, eh?  i used to use
    lee on my resume (rather than my full name, elizabeth michael) jus to
    see who'd react how... now i wonder, what if i used lee michael? 
    they'd probably think i was born male (but it's REALLY my name! 
    honest!).
    
    

I good male friend of mine is married to a Kevin and there isen't anything
remotely male about her. Gets the attention of listeners at times..

-j

    RE:39
    
    Martin my dear,
    who ever you are i think that you got abit carried away with your
    reply.  Dont you think that people can have there own opinions on
    subjects or are you that ignorant.
    
    lucky
    

    WOWZERS! what a comeback...... GAG!
    If my opinions can be censored and questioned of their negative validity...
    so damn well can yours!
    
    IF a males says crap like that he is sexist and ignorant....so.......