Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    
    
    	Knowing the media types full well by now, I would take anything
    they spout with a huge grain of salt.  American media personnel,
    are, with few exceptions, the biggest B.S. artists outside the Kremlin
    these days, and bring to mind the old carnival barkers and snake
    oil salesmen from years long past...anything to make a quick buck
    off the gullible rubes in the crowd.  Pepsi, of course, advertises
    in the same media, and so we have yet another case of the tail wagging
    the dog.
    
    	Mike and Robin are probably laughing all the way to the bank,
    and if things didn't last forever, I'm sure Mike could afford to
    part with a few dozen million and go on to snap towels with some
    other beautiful actress.
    
    	I would, however, gladly pay good, hard-earned American cash
    to see Mike Tyson take on a whole string of sparring partners from
    among the ranks of the exalted media wizards. (particulary the ones
    who are always whining about how terrible the sport of boxing is...)
    
    			Dave

    Yes she is....
    re: last   And thats about how much HE IS GONNA loose WHEN she blows
    him off....I give it a year or so...
    
    SNAPP!!!!!!

    
    So what if she is???  He married her didn't he!!
    

    Do you really think we can judge someone else's entire character
    based on two TV commercials and some articles in junk magazines?
    
    If you believe those articles, then you'll have to include the
    ones that claim Givens lost a baby due to a beating from Tyson.
    
    --bonnie

    No Robin Givens is not a gold digger... she has a six figure salary
    of her own before marrying Tyson and she still does.
    

    
    
    Why would she stop at 6 figures when there's millions to be gotten?
    
    
    GCA/
    	the cynic

    It's gotta be his mother-in-laws fault.  Those of us who have em
    know what he's going through. :')  ........Boy, I hope my mother-in-law
    doesn't ever see this.

    
    	Why exactly is his decision to marry her his mother-in-laws
    fault??  I don't know about you , but I make my own decisions not
    my mom or my boyfriend's mom.

    Did you see the smiley face?  Guess what that means.

	re: .-1
		I tend to agree.

	How about Given's claim of going to Harvard (Harvard never heard of 
	her)? What does that tell you about her? Or, for that matter, what about
	Ruth Roper's (the mother-in-law) lawsuit against Dave Winfield?

	Something smells fishy...like rotten fish...in Denmark...

--axe--

                 Obviously you are all jealous of the couple.

    It's hard to speculate why people get married.  What may seem so
    tawdry and shallow to us may really be something serious to those
    involved.  Keep in mind that a lot of these people don't have both
    feet on the ground to begin with.  Stardom is a heavy thing to bear,
    even when you've worked your whole life for it.  How many people
    do you know that could become "instant celebrities" (meaning their
    picture is in The Star at least bi-weekly) and still retain their
    same set of values and most of all, their humility.  It would take
    a hell of a person to keep their wits about them in the land of
    "yes-men."  Think about it, it's all so plastic.  How can someone
    even attempt to keep their head.
    
    I think that the celebrity gets to them.  They can't tell the
    difference from what's real and what's plastic.  These marriages
    aren't supposed to be made in heaven.  Tyson's not Mr. Right to
    Robin Givens, he's Mr. Right-Now.  Isn't that the way Hollywood
    works?  Look at Liz Taylor, the Gabors, just about all of the big
    stars.
    
    Stacie

>             -< Marriage isn't a lifetime commitment in Hollywood >-

    It isn't in digital either!  Would you like to conduct a poll to
    find out how many of contributors to _this_ conference have made
    a lifetime commitment?
    
- Vikas

re: .20
>    It isn't in digital either!  Would you like to conduct a poll to
>    find out how many of contributors to _this_ conference have made
>    a lifetime commitment?
    
If two people get married without the *intention* of making a lifetime
commitment, regardless of whether it lasts a lifetime or not, then they
don't have any business getting married.  Taking marriage lightly is
what we see many, many couples in Hollywood (and the sports world)
doing today.

Kip

    
    
    .21
    
    My, aren't we judgemental today.
    
    Deborah
    

    The truth is the truth.
    
    Ben

    RE: .21

>    Taking marriage lightly is what we see many, many couples in Hollywood
>    (and the sports world) doing today. 

    Why do you single out Hollywood and the sports world?  My feeling
    is that scenarios in Hollywood (and the sports world) is just a
    reflection of the state of the society.
    
    - Vikas

    re: .23
    
    It seems to me that it's a "fact" or "truth" only to those who
    hold those viewpoints.  Any number of people believe that marriage
    should not be a lifetime committment.
    
    Steve
    

    So, Mike... Whadaya  take for the total amount of settlement??
    I figure about 10 mil or so....
    How about the reason??  I'd say...ummm mental distress?
    Mental/physical abuse?  YEAH!  thats the ticket...

    
            Heard on the news that he was worth about 50 million.
    
    

    why not go for the whole enchelada?  25 mil ya say?
    That sounds about right for "the amount of effort put into the
    marriage", or "personal sacrifices" made to make the marriage work.
    
    did anyone catch the trashing she did on 2020 (?) she said some
    cruel stuff about him, WHILE HE WAS SITTING THERE!
    
    Now, If this joe is "SOOOOO VIOLENT"  Why the hell is she still
    around? Alive that is...unbruised at that....
    
    Forgive the sarcasm but..... I think you know the rest.

    
    	I hate to be a cynic, per usual, but let's face it:
    
    	the media will never know, the courts will never know, and we'll
    	never know, what exactly has been going on with these two people;
    	now that violence, or talk or threat of violence has come up,
    	it is time for them to either solve it via professional help
    	or bail out, before someone *does* get hurt...the millions be
    	damned...
    
    					"statesman-like discourse"

         I hope there is some minimum amount of time that she must be
    married to him to justify taking half of his money.  I mean, she
    lived OK before she married him.  I hope the judges have expected
    this as long as the rest of america has, and will take the apparent
    fraudulent motives into accout.
    
                                       Greg

    Actually, she lives ok now on her own...
    
    Now anyone want to wager how long the romance between Barbra Streisand
    and Don Johnson will last?
    
    					Steve

    heard on the news that hse tried to cash a 600,000 + check and he
    stoped it before she could....  Hmmmm looking more and more like
    we al knew all along.

    	Robin Givens was a Bill Cosby protege' and never got the noterity
    that some of the 'Black Pack' kids got. She was known by face but
    not by name.
    	Tyson's fame launched her into the limelight by getting her
    a spot in the Diet Pepsi commercials and of course with Barbara
    Walters. Without him she'd still be "that cute black girl" on Head
    of the Class.
    
    Hopefully she'll get a divorce and they won't have to split lickety.
    
    BTW, they're residents of NY not CAL, so the 50/50 split, community
    property, etc. don't apply.
    
    Ken

    heard on the news that he is trying to obtain an anulment.
    "So she doesnt get the half thast she wants".

    re: .36
    
    According to an article in the Boston Globe last week, she filed
    for divorce in California.  Does California law permit non-residents
    to obtain a divorce there?

    
    She lives with a guy for 8 months and tries to collect
    20M?
    
    Talk about gold digging... I hope she gets the annulment.

    Re: .38
    
         I think you can get a divorce almost anywhere.  That's how
    people get away with the quickie Mexican divorces.
    
         I think she picked California because of their record of awarding
    high amounts to women who were married only a short time.  Some
    other states tend to require that the marriage last long enough
    for her to become accostomed to the life style afforded by the
    husband's income.
    
                                       Greg
    

Just off the CNN news:

Givens has dropped lawyer Mitchelson(sp). Her new lawyer thinks they 
can settle out of court.  Why she dropped Mitchelson isn't known.

Tyson is going for an annulment on the grounds that he was "mislead" by
Given's mother, that she had told Tyson that Robin was 3 1/2 months
pregnant, three weeks before the wedding.  Tyson's advisors are telling
him to go for an annulment leaving no grounds for any type of settlement.

Givens had filed in California where the courts 'do' award property being
divided, 50/50.  Again, CNN said that Tyson's fortune is estimated at
50 million dollars.  


A Newsnight 900 poll asked the question, "Should Mike Tyson be given an
annulment of his marriage to Robin Givens?"

Results were:      YES = 92%
                    NO =  8%

Of course, this poll proves nothing, except that the callers, obviously
feel that Givens doesn't deserve Mike's money.

    Re: .41
    
         Robin probably dropped Mitchelson because he is due to appear
    before the Bar Assocciation soon to face charges of molesting his
    female divorce clients.  I think I saw a show about that not too
    long ago.  For some reason, the DA would not prosecute the cases,
    but the Bar Association is listening to the alleged victims.
    
         Robin probably figured that she doesn't need any more sleaze
    on her side than she herself provides.
    
                                     Greg

    RE:.43              
    
    
    	Yeah, Mike that was a GREAT movie. (Eddie Murphy) It couldn't
    be better timed.
    
    Todd

    re: 42
    
    Yea Greg.  You're right about the charges against Mitchelson.  The
    story goes that he raped about 20 of his clients.  Just recently
    I saw where he is still scheduled to go to court to face charges
    himself.  I wondered why she went to him in the first place with
    all of that against him....
    
    Dwight

    now Mike is saying that his "estranged" wife "made" him ttake drugs
    so that he would apear dosile (sp) during the Barbara Wawwa special...
    this is getting better and better...

    she found out that her meal ticket would not be if she devorced...
    NOW, if he takes her back then he deserves all he gets...

    Hey, maybe she realize that she loves him...
    
    B

    	I heard on the radio last night and read in the paper this morning
    that Tyson took some prescription drugs before he interviewed with
    BW at the request of his wife and M-I-L. 
    	He is also seeking an annulment that he was duped into marruage
    by Givens claim of pregnancy. This supposedly can be substaniated
    by witnesses. 
    	looks like Tyson has some pretty shrewd attornies in his corner
    also. If all of this is true, he may get his annulment and Givens
    will go back to Hollywood. Everyone gets to keep what "each" earned.
    
    Ken

    Love??? Him? or his money?...
    re: last
      Yea, I heard the same thing...  I wonder bout him now...
      Taking drugs is stupid (if you dont need them) but to take them
    at the request of someone else is even worse.

    
    	On "Entertainment Tonight" last night, they did a profile on
    Mike and Robin. Seems there is a 'temporary' replacement for Robin
    on "Head of The Class". It's Richard Pryor's daughter and how temporary
    depends on "the outcome of the divorce". I'm not sure what they
    mean by that, but my guess is that if Robin gets enough of Mike's
    money, she might not go back to Hollywood. (she wouldn't have to!)
    
    Dan
    

    
    
    
    	 This morning I heard that Robin tried to cash a check
    	out of thier Joint account, for get this $651,000. Spending
    	money for depression I guess. The check was stopped because
    	Mike's lawyer took her name off the account. What kind of 
    	fool does she think shes messing with?
    
    

    
    According to an ABC promo last night after the debate, Robin is
    being interviewed tonight (Friday) bt Barbara Walters again on
    "20/20".
    
    I guess we'll get a chance to hear the very latest developments.
    (Maybe she's pregnant...... again). :-)
    
      Alan                     

    
    Just heard on the radio that in order for Givens to show her "love"
    for Mike Tyson, that she has agreed to grant him a divorce without
    asking for *one cent*.
    
    I would guess that with all the bad publicity that she has been
    getting, and her tv show not wanting her at this time, that she
    has decided it won't be in her best interest.
    
                                    OR
    
    She is trying to trick Mike into taking her back for a while....
    

It's a trick.

I'd bet on it!

Kp.

    re: Title of this note: What do I think?
    
    I think that their divorce is none of my business, clogs up my news
    paper and TV schedule with wasted time and space and serves absolutly
    no purpose other than to make money for those exploiting the situation.
    
    And what about the money that Robin may or may not want?  Heck,
    by the time this is 'old news' and not worth cloging up my newspaper
    and TV schedule, half of Tysons fortune won't ammount to a hill
    of beans compared to what the networks will have gleened from it!
    
    ;-) This is all, obviously, only my opinion (-;
    jim
    

    
    I'm interested.  If Robin takes half of Mike's money, especially
    after just 8 or 9 months, then in my opinion, that's an awful crime.
    
    For the average working person that has been through a divorce and
    been ripped by the courts with their 'traditional laws,' this should
    be interesting to them/us as well.  This type is injustice must be
    stopped.  Perhaps the national attention that the Tyson's are getting
    is a *plus* for this all of us.
    
    Maybe, if she doesn't get anything, one day we can see "fairness"
    trickle down through the courts for the "little people" as well.
    Maybe this could start a trend, although, I won't hold my breath.
    
    Dwight