Conference quark::mennotes-v1

    
    		The two neatest offices I've ever seen belonged to men,
    	also the messiest also belonged to men .
    
    
    					Regards,	Peter
    

    re.1
    since the majority of v.p. types are men then by default the men
    in those responsible positions would have the cleanest offices
    
    

    I haven't noticed any difference.  But, then, I haven't really noticed.
    
    At work, my office/lab is a mess, but I know right where everything
    is.  At home, everything is fairly picked up and I can't find anything.
    I think its that at work I don't have my wife to pick up after me
    and I know where *I* put something.  She always tells me that something
    is right where its supposed to be but *I* don't know where that
    is.  At work, everything is right where it should be but *I* decided
    where it should be.
    
    Does this make any sense?  %-)
    
    Spence

    At home I can never find anything even when I'm *sure* where I dropped
    it because my husband is always picking up after me . . . (I can't
    even put a spoon down when I'm cooking or I'll be digging it out
    of the dishwasher.)
    
    --bonnie

    re .4
    
    I know the feeling and I'm sure your not exaggerating about the
    spoon.
    
    The worse part about it is that sometimes he don't even remember
    where he put the things he picking up.
    
    CC

    And he throws out the old magazines before I'm done reading them!
    Even Playboy!
    
    --bonnie

    I HAD an ex like the ones you folks is talking about
    
    She is/was wicked careful about not "seeing" messes.
    
    She hid everything from view.
    
    Never had any idea where it was tho.....

       Re: 7 Too bad she didn't hide you!!  
    
                REK

    All I know is that when I come in to work in the morning I have to
    wash everything down including the phone before I can sit down. Let
    me add that they were all men working before me.
    
    And the man in my house is a filty rotten slob.  Has not cleaned
    his room in over 3 years.  Knows where everything is too, Ha!  Once
    found a check that was 6 months old.
    

    re .9
    Why do you have to wash everything down?  Do they have chocolate
    (or something more disgusting) on their hands?  What *do* you smell?
    
    Spence

    re .10
    
    Sometimes I am honestly afraid to know exactly what it is I'm cleaning
    up.  One day I went to answer the phone and almost dropped it because
    the receiver was covered with something dried up. Gross!!!  The only thing
    that I have been able to distinguish were crumbs from what appeared
    to be a brownie.  My guess is that whatever it is they eat, is finger
    licking good and ends up on the screen, phone, desk and of course the
    keys.  Doesn't bother them because they continue to work away.
    
    The smell is bad at times too.  Often smells like sour milk but
    I'm not brave enough to go searching for it.  We even have ants
    and have to be sprayed from time to time.  Maybe it doesn't bother
    them because they know a woman will come in and clean up after them.
    Did I just say that??
    
    Jude \___^.
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    re.11
    puh!
    

    Thanks, Jude, cleared that up for me.  It reminds me of a time when
    I borrowed a terminal from another tech.  The keyboard had crumbs
    and grease (fried chicken?) between the keys.  Its pretty gross
    to have to use something like that.
    
    I have engineers who come into my office, which is in the lab, 
    and throw trash on the floor.  They think that my office is part 
    of the lab and they can do whatever they want to, including going 
    through my drawers and cabinets for whatever they need.  I have
    told them several times not to throw trash on my floor but they
    don't care.  They are used to *someone* cleaning up after them,
    be it a woman or man.  I guess I'm just a low-life tech and my job
    is to babysit them.  I've gotten to the point that I will do better
    and faster work for the engineers who respect my office.  The ones
    who don't respect it will get the job whenever I have time.
    
    Have you ever noticed how people will drop trash anywhere because
    "they pay someone to clean it up"?  Candy wrappers on the TP
    dispensers.  Empty pop cans wherever they fall.  Cigarette butts
    on the floor.  And it seems that its always men who do these things.
    Maybe Jude is right, too many men are used to having a woman (wife)
    to pick up after them.  My female engineers are very considerate
    of my office and myself.  
    
    Ratios:
    4 male engineers = 50% considerate
    2 female engineers = 100% considerate
    
    I don't know what happens in the women's rest rooms.
    
    Spence

    re .12
    
    Why is it you always seem to have something to say about my
    comments.  Its my opinion and if you don't like them, its your 
    problem.  I don't know you from a whole in the wall and from what 
    I have read and the messages I've received from you prefer not
    too.  I have not done a thing to offend you so why chase me away???
    
    Jude  \___^.
          /\ /\
    
    p.s. I even sign my notes.

    Let's not get into a discussion of the women's restrooms.  If my
    bathroom was as bad as most I have seen (here at DEC and in the
    outside world), I would condemn the place, and then get permission
    to firebomb it.  I worked at the CXO facility for 6 1/2 yrs, LJO
    for 5 months and now at MKO for 8 1/2 months, and find that all
    the restrooms are the same, FILTHY!  From unflushed toilets to papers
    of all sorts (used and unused), all over the floors.  I have gone
    in and had to flush just to use the facilities, and then had to
    clean out the used paper towels to use the sink.  It isn't just
    at DEC tho, it is in malls, stores, restaurants, gas stations, etc.....
    
    It's shameful!

    re.14
    i was refering to the mess you were describing.
    

    Gee, the bathrooms and the public areas in ZKO are usually pretty clean
    (if you discount the occasional spilled coffee grounds in the coffee
    area and pile of old binders waiting to be picked up by the night
    maintenance crew); even most offices are decent. 
    
    When I worked as a motel maid many years ago, I used to cringe when I
    had to clean up a room that had been occupied by a group of women. Men
    left the room a mess (Not a one of them ever left the pillow on the
    bed. I never did figure that one out), but women were incredibly
    filthy.  Puddles of cold cream on the vanity shelf with cigarettes
    stubbed out in the mess, toilet paper (sometimes used!) everywhere,
    and I won't even mention the places I found used sanitary napkins.
    The mind boggled trying to figure out what the stains on the towels
    might be, though you knew what they looked like. (Stains on men's
    towels were one of two things: blood from a shaving cut or -- but
    I don't want to get this notes file in trouble . . . ) 
    
    --bonnie
    

    re. 16 Ooopss, sorry.  I jumped to the gun and was speaking from
    past experiences.  I also could not read between your lines.
    
    The bathrooms I have been in within Dec are always clean.  I've
    belonged to four gyms and the locker rooms have always been clean
    too.  Must be a woman cleaning them up...  But there is a man
    that sweeps our floors and mops them and doesn't do a bad job at
    it.
    
    Jude \___^.
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    Don't feel bad, Jude, I had the same reaction to 'puh' but chose
    to ignore it.
    
    Spence

    
    ...I knew what Kerry meant....uh oh, I starting to understand you
    kerry....quick, the drugs...
    
    :-)
    

    Yes, some might understood what he meant but for those who
    haven't been around as long as might not understand and
    take defense, like I have.
    
    Jude \___^.
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re .22

> ... might not understand and take offense ...

True, there was not much to understand about "puh" and from
past experience took offense.

I don't look at everything in notes with a positive attitude, 
there are just some topics I don't agree on. And I don't feel
that anybody is angry at me!!! nor am I angry with anybody
else.  I "think happy!", AM happy and FEEL happy.

> ... And if yuu just ignore folks who may be seeking attention
by making replies that _could_ be taken as offensive ... 8^)

Good advice, thank you.  As you might have noticed I, like
many others, have decided to go silent for a while.  I have
also noticed that attention is the key word with those certain
comments.

Ignore the rude remarks?  I should but tend to find rude people
irritating and have been known to express my feelings.  So,
ignoring it is, seems to be the best policy.

Jude \___^.
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    RE:23 does this say anything?
    
    Answer: no
    
              REK
    
    PS I remember you from NIO....			

    re .23 What does it mean to you?

    re .28
    I see the 'work' cubicles as a place to work and talk about technical
    issues.  The cubes where the cookies are is a place to get away
    from the technical issues and discuss something of interest.  Of
    course, to some of you, the technical issues *are* something of
    interest.  I'm sorry.  Its kinda like going to a party and then
    talking shop.
    
    Specne