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    Yes Bob,
    
    Cosmos is more than mildly derogatory.  It plays up sex assuming
    that all women want to constantly hop into bed with any and every
    man.  The magazine gives a very unrealisitic view of sex and
    relationships.  The magazine does indeed exploit men, although 
    certainly not to the extent that some "mens" magazines exploit 
    women.  I hope your daughter is intelligent enough to sort through
    all the garbage articles and NOT accept those articles as fact.

    >Although certainly not to the extent that some "mens" magazines
    exploit women..
    
    	Nancy, that to me is an unsupported statement. Please provide
    facts...
    
    Thank you,
    
    Todd

RE: < Note 27.3 -< Neo-sensitive ??? Be More "feminine" for _her_ >-
    
>it is a catch-phrase that applies to men who are attempting to respond
>to the new demand by women that they be more sensitive.


    Dear Eagles,
    
    	Sensitive to what?  I think I am more confused about the sensitive
    part than the neo part.  Macho men are sensitive.  Is it a person's
    sensitivities that define them as macho or neo-sensitive?  Are there
    some new things to be sensitive to that define "neo-sensitive"?
    Or is "neo" a prefix like "meta" that retreads an abused word so
    we can get another twenty thousand usages out of it?
    
    Bobby

    yup you
    

    Please guys, don't assume most or any women actually think like
    COSMO women. (that does NOT mean we don't like SEX & LOVE) COSMO
    articles are usually trash and most folks know it. 
    
    
    BUT...OK, I admit it, I do ocasionally do the quizes these mags
    put out.  Everybody has their dark secrets. (like reading the National
    Enquirer headlines)
    
    I don't want a neo-sensitive or a neanderthal, just a decent person.
    
    Are women really all that hard to please????? Liesl
    

    
    	RE:.9
    
    	Well put, Steven
    
    	Todd

    RE .8 
    
     > Are women all that hard to please ? <
    
     Hummmm talk about a loaded question !!!! and I know Iam 
     letting my self in for trouble on this one.
    
     Ans  Yes and no,  I find from my personal experence of
     knowing (in various ways) different women, that their 
    needs are many times divirsifed and complex in compairison 
    to mens. In most cases these needs must be met by the man in
    her life in order for her to be pleased. 
    
    The problems arise when these needs are inicially put aside
    during the beginning stages of a relationship with the intent
    to change the man around to meet them later. Lo and behold 
    they are sprung upon the man at the latter stage and when he
    dosent or cant meet them its big problem time.
    
    I could give a number of examples of this, but why take up the
    space. We (both men an women) all have seen or have been a part
    of it at one time or another.
    
    Untill people learn and live two inportant phrases the problems
    will continue. They are ;
    
    1  What you see is what you get (the equivilant to Popeye's
        "I ams what I ams, and thats all what I ams")
    2  A friend is not a person taken in or shamed
       a friend is one who knows your faults and dont give a damn.
    
    OK its open season on me now ladies    :-)
    
                                           Bob B

I think _Cosmo_'s complaints about sensitive men are akin to the reactionary
 complaints about self-assured women.  If the authors of those stupid articles
  don't like such people, that's their own problem.  Me, I like variety; and
   I applaud any trend that lets people be who they really are.
    <_Jym_>

>					Me, I like variety; and
>   I applaud any trend that lets people be who they really are.

Does societys freedom to be who you are encourage crime? Are there too many
pressures on people to live exceptional lives?

Dave.

    I would never say that COSMO is a great mag, but it's certainly
    better than Mademoiselle, Glamour, Vougue, etc.  Yes, they do talk
    a lot about sex, but I remember an interesting article about women
    who don't like sex and why.  They also paint a stronger picture
    of a woman, and that there is more to a woman than worrying about
    how well her eyebrows are plucked.  Maybe in an effort to give the
    woman more strength they have felt the need to put down men.
    

    I know this note is old, but did want to share this.  
    
    For those readers who choose to boycott products made in South Africa,
    or companies that do business with South Africa, COSMOPOLITAN has a
    production office in South Africa.
    
    E Grace

    SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
    
    COSMO, IN SOUTH AFRICA?!?!?!?!?
    
    but but but....what do i bring as reading material to lunch on
    fridays now?  what other magazines will help give me the inside
    scoop on what women want, what women are looking for (and how
    women plan to trap a man into marriage in 10 easy steps!)
    
    E, you really bummed me out with this one!  guess i am just
    gonna have to be PI in this particular instance.
    
    jonathan

    Jonathan!  Can You Ever Forgive Me?!?!?!?!?!?  HOW INSENSITIVE OF 
    ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!(*8
    
    E Grace

    re: .19.....
    
    sure, i forgive you.  i think i was becoming too PC anyways.
    
    if it weren't for Cosmo coming out of South Africa, i probably
    would have had to start clubbing baby seals to regain a sense
    of balance.....
    
    jonathan (whose norwegian uncle complains about greenpeace, as seals
    now run rampant off the coast of norway, eating all the fish,
    outstripping food supply, getting sick and dying as a result of
    overpopulation now that major predator can no longer hunt them)

    jonathan,
    
    I understand what you mean, for I'm an avid women magazine reader
    myself, one requires this as a good background for easy, intranscendent
    and "sensitive" chatter...though it can really affect your brain
    function if you overdo it...I'll start worrying the day I try to
    remember what my favourite erotic phantasy ought to be (when in bed,
    alone) or when I'll try to reminiscense what the trendy erogene spots
    of the months are (when in bed, not alone)...
    But, as long as there is a new Shere Hite report in the brew, we've got
    nothing to worry about...
    ...Paul

    re .18, .22, maybe you guys should start subscribing to Time, National
    Geographic, Premiere and Rolling Stone, so you'll have something
    *interesting* to talk about.  :-)   hee-hee-ha-ha
    
    Lorna
    

    re. 23
    
    Take all the discussions about Picasso's "epoque ros�", about
    Dal�'s surrealism, about the preying behaviour of Carcharodon
    Carcharias, about Joyce's narrative style, about the composition of the
    Haley comet, about Kant's concept of the "thing", about the
    consequences of the Crimean war and the Balaclava charge on
    Euro-Russian diplomatic relations, about the impact of Renacentism on
    Western culture...put them all together in a pot, and I'll trade it
    anytime for a conversation on "why my last boyfriend was a scoundrel"
    or "why all men are egoistic and immature" or "why I get hick-up from
    drinking beer", for there's where you get to know a person better, where 
    you'll suddenly be confronted with personal views, prejudices and 
    misconceptions that are much more fun to talk about, for suddenly all
    the intellectual parrot-playing of what you happened to read in "Arts"
    or the like won't help you! 
    Yes, that's when the person unmasks! God bless women mags for inspiring
    us with seemingly simplistic subjects! Besides, I feel it extremely
    sexistic to have "women" and "men" literature, it surely helps building
    a useless bareer...
    On the other side, I wouldn't recommend women to get a subscription for
    "men's" magazines...God help us, it could do irreparable damage to the
    picture as nice, open and intellectually-oriented individuals that
    women have of us men! :-)
    ...Paul

    personally I think we should trash cosmo, with its pix for men and
    articles for airheads; and the wm-f-buckley-rags, with their elitist
    discussions of how best to raise one's eyebrows; and
    playboy-and-its-clones-and-imitators, with their, ah, scintillating pix
    and their pseudo-intellectual trappings; and the tabloids, with their
    mass appeals to the lead-damaged among us.
    
    We should all limit ourselves to reading Mad Magazine, and watching
    reruns of Rocky and Bullwinkle, and riding the rides on the midway at
    the county fair.

    I don't read Mad magazine anymore.  Sergio Aragones has his own
    comic book....Groo the Wanderer....which I follow faithfully.  The
    rest of the art from Mad I can live without.  Well....Spy vs. Spy
    was kinda funny....but I have Sergio and I am happy.
    
    Rolling Stone?  YUCK!  I'll take Spin any day of the week!
    
    but even so......i still think that Cosmo is more fun than most
    other magazines put out....it even ranks up there with certain
    comic books in terms of entertainment value.........
    

re.26
Provided you can stand the disgusting smell of 20 perfumes reeking from the 
scrach and sniff pages therein.

-j

    provided i can stand the smell?
    
    but how often do i get to close my eyes, and pretend that i am
    in a roomful of women?  okay, i do that all the time, but how
    often does one of my senses agree with my imagination?
    
    i don't usually nose when the new issue comes in, but maybe my sense
    of smell is dead from....uh....too many rock concerts?  no, that is
    my sense of hearing.....
    
    whatever.
    

    re -1:
    
    Please, let there be a place where we can make jokes like that one, and
    this is it!? I'm cheering, mike, between chuckles.
    
    - Hoyt

      <<< Note 27.29 by HEYYOU::ZARLENGA "one-half of the dynamic duo" >>>

>>.28>    but how often do i get to close my eyes, and pretend that i am
>>.28>    in a roomful of women?  okay, i do that all the time, but how

>>	Got a supermarket with a fresh fish section in ya neighborhood?

>>-mike z
    
    
    Uh, Mike?  I don't know how to break this to you, but *fresh* fish
    has no odor.
    
    You'd better get yourself a new supermarket!
    
    {*8
    
    E Grace

    re .29
    
    Ouch...I always found that "joke" disgusting...
    
    I'd have severe hygienic constraints when meeting "a room fulla" your
    acquaintances, believe me. I'd review the quality of both the
    supermarket and the ...ahem... "establishment" you seem to attend!
    
    I'd trade smells between the male and the female lockerrooms in a
    tennis club or the WCs in the company anytime...and I've never heard 
    women make jokes about the similarities between a WC obligued by men
    with obviously limited aiming abilities and the wild cat section in the
    zoo... :-)
    
    ...Paul

    
    
    I find .29 rude! How come that gets to stay but the cow joke had
    to go?
    
    I'm surprised at you Mike!
    
    bonnie

    re .33 + .34
    
    Hmmm...you're sparking my interest in the cow joke...don't be cruel...
    ...Paul