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Title:Windows NT
Notice:See note 15.0 for HCL location
Moderator:TARKIN::LIN.com::FOLEY
Created:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6086
Total number of notes:31449

5821.0. "WINS Server Event 4280 error" by SNOFS2::JEYACHANDRAN () Thu Mar 20 1997 01:43

	Hi,

	A very basic question relating to Primary WINS server
	configuration on NT V3.51.

	In the Primary WINS Server,  Control Panel- network - TCP/IP 
	properties is it legal to list Primary WINS Server 
	pointing to itself & Secondary WINS Server pointing to the 
	actual Secondary WINS Server?

	The reason for asking is as follows.
	If I do a "ipconfig/all" on the console of the Primary 
	WINS Server, it shows Primary & Secondary WINS Servers
	reversed from what I have set on the Control panel/network.
	But on the secondary WINS Server, "ipconfig/all" seems to show
	the primary & secondary correctly.

	I am actually getting a WINS 4280 event message on both Primary 
	& secondary WINS server every 5-10 minutes.
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	Description  " The client does not have the permission 
	required to execute the function".

	Data Bytes: 0000: 1d 01 00 00 05 00 00 00 ......
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

	Before I worked on the problem, cust had an entry in secondary 
	WINS Server pointing to a non existant server as Secondary WINS
	Server with entry for Primary WINS server pointing to the correct
	primary WINS Server. The primary did not have any entries for WINS
	Servers & these same error messages (WINS 4280) were there. 
	There was no change in the 4280 event message after supposedly 
	correcting the problem by populating the entries for WINS 
	Servers.

Thanks in advance.

Daniel.

CSC, Sydney.
 
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5821.1WINS servers should point to themselves.SNOFS2::JEYACHANDRANFri Mar 21 1997 00:16122
Since no one is answering this question, I am going to answer my own question 
for the benefit of someone having the same query. I shall post later whether
this has solved the WINS 4280 error code.


>	In the Primary WINS Server,  Control Panel- network - TCP/IP 
>	properties is it legal to list Primary WINS Server 
>	pointing to itself & Secondary WINS Server pointing to the 
>	actual Secondary WINS Server?
>

The following article is from Microsoft KB.

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Setting Primary and Secondary WINS Server Options

                        Article ID: Q150737 
                        Creation Date: 08-MAY-1996
                        Revision Date: 04-FEB-1997 

                        The information in this article applies to: 
               Microsoft Windows NT Workstation versions 3.5 and 3.51 
               Microsoft Windows NT Server versions 3.5 and 3.51 

SUMMARY 

If a Windows NT server is running the Windows Internet Naming Service (WINS) 
and is participating in WINS database replication on the network, special 
consideration must be taken configuring where the WINS server points to for 
it's own name resolution (this parameter is set in the Network section of 
Control Panel, in the Configuration section of TCPIP Protocol). 

It is highly recommended that a WINS server point to itself as Primary and 
Secondary WINS in the TCP/IP configuration. If another configuration is used, 
you may experience random instability in making certain network connections. 

MORE INFORMATION 

When any WINS enabled computer is booted it must register a variety of 
services with WINS. Commonly a computer has a Primary and Secondary WINS 
address configured in the TCP/IP setup. If the Primary WINS does not 
respond to the registrations, the computer tries the Secondary WINS. 

For additional information on the services that can be registered, please 
see the following article(s) in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: 

ARTICLE-ID: Q119495
TITLE     : List of Names Registered with WINS Service


Generally, most clients and servers should be configured with a Primary and 
Secondary WINS address, however caution must be taken with how a WINS server 
is itself configured. A WINS server eventually register its services in its 
own local WINS database, regardless of whether it points to itself or 
not (either Primary, Secondary, or none). Registering with itself and another
WINS server can cause problems when it comes to replication and renewal of 
these entries. 

For example, if you have a WINS server ("Srv1") that points to itself as 
Primary and points to another WINS as Secondary ("Wins2"). When Srv1 is 
booted, it usually tries to register its services before its own WINS Service 
is started. Since those registrations fail, it tries to register them at Wins2. 
If Wins2 is available, it accepts the registration requests. However, not all 
the services are registered at Wins2, because as these registration requests 
are made, Srv1 continues to check its local WINS service. Once the service 
is running, it switches back to it and continues registering locally. 

After replication has occurred between Srv1 and Wins2, both databases show 
this ownership: 

Srv1:  Owns his Srv1<20>, and Domain<1c> (if it is a domain controller)
Wins2: Owns all other Srv1 registrations, and also owns Domain<1c> from Srv1

This potentially problematic condition is referred to as "split registration." 

At this point, Srv1 has reverted to re-registering locally, however it takes 
a while before you can see it. Meanwhile, Srv1 and Wins2 are replicating the 
split registration mappings to other WINS servers. Eventually these replicas 
should be reconciled at the remote WINS (that is, the Wins2 replicas are 
replaced by the newer Srv1 replicas). However, before reconciliation is 
finished, client connection problems may have occurred, including the 
inability to connect to a WINS server that split its registration (in this 
example, Srv1), or the inability to resolve the domain<1c> name that Srv1 
registered. 

The exact conditions that lead to failure are varied. If your WINS servers 
are running Windows NT version 3.51 with Service Pack 4 (or greater), 
these conditions should only be temporary. However, the problem may be more 
severe depending on your replication scheme or if you are running pre- Service 
Pack 4 WINS servers. 

Another faulty configuration is setting a remote IP address (in this example, 
Wins2) as Primary while setting the local WINS (Srv1) as Secondary. In this 
case, Srv1 will eventually stop refreshing its NetBIOS lease at Wins2, and 
will begin registering locally. Depending on your WINS replication scheme, 
this may cause connection problems. 

WORKAROUND 

It is recommended that a WINS server point to itself as Primary WINS and as 
Secondary WINS. This will avoid split registrations and other problems. 

STATUS 

Microsoft has confirmed this to be a problem in Windows NT version 3.5 and 
3.51. We are researching this problem and will post new information here in 
the Microsoft Knowledge Base as it becomes available. 



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5821.2Any Clue to the Data Bytes?SNOFS2::JEYACHANDRANMon Mar 24 1997 22:5328
	The problem has disappeared for the time being without doing anything.
	Problem occurs at times every minute & could be every 5 to 10 minutes
	at other times. It does disappear at times.

	The data bytes on the event message is identical for every message.

	I have asked for a NETMON trace.

	Could anyone help decipher what the data byte is about. Any pointer?

	Thanks in advance.

	Daniel.

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	Date:	20/02/97			Event ID:	4280
	Time:	7:28:59				Source: 	WINS
	User:	N/A				Type:		Error
	Computer:PAR54			Category:	None
	
        Description  " The client does not have the permission 
        required to execute the function".

	Data 	Bytes.
	
        Data Bytes: 0000: 1d 01 00 00 05 00 00 00 ......
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