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Conference decwet::windows-nt

Title:Windows NT
Notice:See note 15.0 for HCL location
Moderator:TARKIN::LIN.com::FOLEY
Created:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6086
Total number of notes:31449

5802.0. "sharing apps, NT and dos/win3.1" by CPEEDY::BRADLEY (Chuck Bradley) Thu Mar 13 1997 09:10

I plan to add NT to a system that presently runs win3.1.
I also have to add a lot of applications to the system.
I'd like all the applications that will run in both environments
to be available in both environments.

The systems will be in different partitions, perhaps even different disks.
The apps will be in another partition, with user data in yet another.
I want to be able to modify a file with NT on odd days and with win3.1 on
even days.  

Any suggestions?  Install all the apps, then NT?  Install NT,
then all the apps?   Why?

Many of the applications are large, 20-100MB, so I'd prefer to not keep
two copies on disk. Also, recent activity lists such as the Word list
of n recently edited documents should be independent of the OS used.

I think I could install once for each environment, pointing to the 
same place. That is a lot of floppy handling, or a long wait for a
big kit from a CD.  Or I could cobble up an icon and set the properties.
Are there any tools to simplify the process? How would you do it?

Moderators, I searched for similar problems but did not find any.
Feel free to move this if there is a better place.

Thanks.
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5802.1TARKIN::LINBill LinThu Mar 13 1997 10:036
    re: CPEEDY::BRADLEY
    
    Unless you install NT in the same directory root as your legacy Windows
    environment, you will not be able to install applications once and use
    them from both environments.
    /Bill
5802.2need best way if separate rootsCPEEDY::BRADLEYChuck BradleyThu Mar 13 1997 14:3734
re .1

I understand that NT can pick up all the legacy Windows application
when NT is installed. I imagine it reads win.ini and scans for
group and item files.  This dual use ability is accomplished when
NT is installed.  If I add another application next month, I think
I still have to do something to make it available on the other system.

Perhaps I can use SETUP again. Assuming there is a path through all the
questions that will do nothing but collect all the apps, I'm still nervous.
Will I lose any customization I've done to the icons/items/groups?
I can't imagine win 3.1 being able to pick up NT apps, so I shut down NT,
boot legacy system, install, shutdown, boot NT, run SETUP, perhaps
reboot or recustomize.

Anyway, I want to have the two systems separate.  I accept there is a
cost to have shared apps in that environment and I'm willing to do
some extra work because of it.  I'm looking for tricks that make it
some extra work instead of lots of extra work.  Perhaps it is faster
to do a particular system first.

Thanks for mentioning the option of both systems in the same root.
Having separate partitions is not an absolute requirement.  I figured it
was safer, I'd only lose one system WHEN disaster struck.  I figured I
could compare the file names and learn more about NT.  Perhaps I'll
discover those advantages are not worth the pains that come with them.

I'll start with separate partitions, but might abandon thaat approach
when I have some experience with it.

I hope you are not saying shared applications are impossible.


5802.3This works for meSNOFS1::FOWLERMARKMark FowlerThu Mar 13 1997 15:3821
    The approach that I have taken (which works) is as follows...
    
    Drive C: (FAT) has Windows 95
    Drive D: (FAT) has Applications and stuff
    Drive E: (NTFS) has Windows NT 4.0
    
    I installed Office 95 from Win95 into D:. I then rebooted into WinNT
    and installed Office 95 into the same location on D:. In each operating
    system I started up Word and set the default save directory (or
    whatever it is called) to be the same place.
    
    It may seem a bit of a waste to do the whole install for each OS but I
    think that it is the simplest way to make sure that all registry
    entries are set and that all DLLs and other files end up in the right
    place for that system. 
    
    Some applications like WinZip and Polyview are smart enough to set up
    the required registry stuff the first time that they are run under a
    particular OS, so these only need to be installed once.
    
    Mark Fowler
5802.4quick fixLIOVAX::POELKERFri Apr 04 1997 08:217
    a quick fix to run some office apps under nt if the application was
    installed under w95 or win31, is to place the "Windows" and
    "Windows/system" directorys in your NT path under the system icon.
    you must create the path like this:
    Path(NT stuff here ie:"%systemroot%);c:\windows;c:\windows\system"
    
    chris