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Title:Windows NT
Notice:See note 15.0 for HCL location
Moderator:TARKIN::LIN.com::FOLEY
Created:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6086
Total number of notes:31449

5704.0. "can not install 4.0 Server on Celebris XL" by TARKIN::LIN (Bill Lin) Mon Feb 17 1997 06:41

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    NT 4.0 Server won't install on a 166Mhz Celebris with 64MB of memory.
    The system freezes during the install right after the first reboot.
        
    The following appears on the screen as it boots

    Matrox Power Graphics/Accelerator
    MGA Series VGA/VBE BIOS V1.5

    Phoenix BIOS Version 4.04 Plug and Play

    Celebris XL 5166 Version 2.04

    512Kb Cache
    System BIOS Shadowed
    Video BIOS Shadowed
    UMB Upper Limit Segment Adress F599

    NCR SDMS V3.0 PCI SCSI BIOS Rev V2.0


    I boot the system with the floppy and go through floppy 2 and 3.  I
    insert the CDROM, it goes on for a while and then says it is going to
    reboot.  After going through an NT boot sequence, an NT splash screen
    appears and then it hangs.  Sometimes it displays a smaller window
    saying copying files and then freezes.  Even if I just try rebooting
    again, it knows it already started and says continuing copying and then
    freezes.

    Could any of the BIOS's be old?

    Any suggestions on how to determine what the problem is and what I can
    do to get NT 4.0 server installed?
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5704.1WAGPCBUOA::KRATZMon Feb 17 1997 07:081
    Try it with the L2 cache disabled, or try finding a 256k module.
5704.216.72.64.8::jenningsThis space for rentMon Feb 17 1997 12:191
The Matrox bios is old.  Matrox is up in the 2.x range, currently.
5704.3now works!PTOVAX::PEARLMANMon Feb 17 1997 13:078
    Re: .1
    
    I did two things, tried again and it worked.  First, during the install 
    I told it to use standard VGA instead of autodetect.  Then in setup I
    disabled external cache.  Now knowing the BIOS for the Matrox is very old,
    I am not sure which one fixed the problem but one of them did.
    
    Thanks
5704.4now just...ODIXIE::SIMPSONTPC = world's biggest con job!Tue Feb 18 1997 13:165
    Just install the newest Matrox driver, make sure that works ok, then
    re-enable the external cache.  That should narrow it down for you...
    
    -Tom
    
5704.5write back or write through?PTOVAX::PEARLMANSun Mar 09 1997 16:365
    I seemed to have narrowed this problem down to a defective external
    cache but while doing this another question arose.  When I turn back on
    the external cache I can choose between write back or write through.  I
    would typically choose write back for performance but is there a
    recommended choice or is really my choice?
5704.6PCBUOA::KRATZMon Mar 10 1997 08:173
    Your system was upgraded from a 90 or 100 to 166, right?
    I don't think the burst module should have been sold at 166.
    K
5704.7LEFTY::CWILLIAMSCD or not CD, that's the questionMon Mar 10 1997 08:5020
    Huh? Please run that by me again....
    
    Last I looked, there's no difference in the bus speed outside the CPU
    for 100, 133, and 166 Mhz. How is the burst cache affected by this?
    
    We have a Celebris in the same condition - but it seemd that the 70 ns
    memory shipped with it (100 Mhz at that point) could not cut it.
    60 ns memory fixed it.
    
    Now how it worked at 100 Mhz with 70 ns memory is another issue -
    again, the external bus speed is the same.
    
    There's obviously something else a little odd in these machines - some
    enlightenment on exactly what it is would help a lot, as we're using
    these machines to test other HW and SW packages.
    
    Thanks,
    	
    	Chris
     
5704.8PCBUOA::KRATZMon Mar 10 1997 11:352
    You should probably get a regular cache option for testing
    purposes.
5704.9speed mismatches?PTOVAX::PEARLMANMon Mar 10 1997 13:3410
    My options are 
    
    cache disabled
    cache enabled, write through
    cache enabled, write back
    
    Where is there an option for burst mode?  What is burst mode?
    
    So it sounds like the memory speed might be "too different" from the
    cache speed.  Is this what the previous replies are saying?