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Conference decwet::windows-nt

Title:Windows NT
Notice:See note 15.0 for HCL location
Moderator:TARKIN::LIN.com::FOLEY
Created:Thu Oct 31 1991
Last Modified:Fri Jun 06 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:6086
Total number of notes:31449

5539.0. "Digital selected as NT Innovator!" by LIOVAX::POELKER () Tue Jan 07 1997 12:39

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5539.1... and then there were 9MPOS01::naiad.mpo.dec.com::mpos01::cerlingI'[email protected]Wed Jan 08 1997 07:306
5539.2From the web site....STAR::KMCDONOUGHSET KIDS/NOSICKWed Jan 08 1997 11:0260
5539.3And no capacity for 1/3!DECWET::KOWALSKITime's not for savingWed Jan 08 1997 13:525
5539.4BIGUN::nessus.cao.dec.com::MayneSturgeon's LawWed Jan 08 1997 15:433
5539.5questionable statements ...MPOS01::naiad.mpo.dec.com::mpos01::cerlingI'[email protected]Thu Jan 09 1997 07:2639
5539.6hear hear !TARKIN::LINBill LinThu Jan 09 1997 08:025
5539.7PYRO::RONRon S. van ZuylenThu Jan 09 1997 09:4510
5539.8Hurts the corporation plenty!!STAR::EVERHARTThu Jan 09 1997 11:145
5539.9No Lies Intended!!!LIOVAX::POELKERThu Jan 09 1997 13:0816
5539.10We're getting used to it nowEVMS::WALLShow me, don't tell meMon Jan 13 1997 05:586
5539.11$$$$$LIOVAX::POELKERWed Jan 22 1997 05:085
5539.12Digital: OpenVMS is strategic to the company!STAR::EVERHARTThu Jan 23 1997 10:2918
5539.13et tuLJSRV1::ENGBROCKTue Jan 28 1997 13:0328
    Sometimes I just don't understand what it takes to make "digits"
    happy.
    
    Let's see we have a well-written marketing piece that could influence
    some large customers to seriously consider Digital to be a player in
    their major investment in Windows NT.  I mean they are gonna buy the
    stuff from somebody, aren't they?  sounds like a revenue to me.
    
    But then another part of Digital is upset by the the "LIES" in the
    article and the possible minimizing of the VMS operating system.
    
    Well it's not lies it's marketing!.  Kinda like when Sun, HP, Compaq, et
    al took large parts of the market by telling the customer what they
    wanted to hear while Digital told them what Digital wanted to say and
    at the same time engaging in silly
    re-orgs, decimation of expertise, and inter-business unit warfare.  I
    mean we all know the only important things are internal don't we :^)
    
    
    VMS is a great operating system and if handled right can be extremely
    profitable to Digital and extremely useful to customers for many years. 
    (The system manager at my previous company calls it the *ONLY* mission
    critical OS left).  But good marketing does not mean arguing VMS
    strengths in Windows NT magazine.  I mean come on, point the arguement
    to the audience.  And don't confuse the audience with multiple
    arguements.
    
    There I feel better now. 
5539.14I'll take a stab at thisDECWET::KOWALSKITime's not for savingWed Jan 29 1997 07:565
>>  et tu

Excuse us, oh mighty One, that we
believe telling the whole truth
is the right thing to do.
5539.15It could have been done without damage.STAR::EVERHARTWed Jan 29 1997 08:1921
    Marketing or not, don't say the Digital version of NT has the first
    of something if VMS had it first. Say it has the first of something for
    NT. You still make your point but don't feed the competitors who will
    take your statement as proof FROM DIGITAL that VMS lacks some
    capability ("but our unix has it" or "but our NT now has it" or...)
    
    
    You get the picture. And don't imagine that statements like this 
    won't get used by competitors to "prove" that VMS doesn't have
    this or that...
    
    It's bad enough to have competitors sending out mis-information; they
    don't need more ammo. The best way to do this is to be very
    scrupulous about telling the truth about at least the company's
    own products! When you say "first in the world" about anything,
    be sure at least that it's not going to dump on a DEC product.
    
    Call failure to do this lies or untruths or being reality-challenged
    or whatever. Result is much the same.
    
    
5539.162954::FOLEYhttp://axel.zko.dec.comWed Jan 29 1997 10:2213

RE: .15

	The mis-information can begin stopping when Digital people stop
	thinking that there is a "Digital version of NT". It's
	Microsoft's code, not ours. We help them, but it's THEIR
	product.

	
							mike
				Incredibly frustrated that this is still
				an issue