Conference quark::human_relations

    The child of the sibling of one of your parents is your first cousin.
    (You knew that.)
    
    The child of your first cousin is your first cousin once removed, in
    the descendancy.  To that child, *you* are a first cousin once removed,
    but in the ascendancy.
    
    Your child and the above child are second cousins.
    
    Now.  Do you care about cross-cousins and ortho-cousins?
    
    					Ann B.

    I'll make a stab at it.
    
    My parent's sibling (Mom's brother) has a child.  That child is my
    first cousin (Stephanie).
    
    Stephanie now has a child (Kerry).  Kerry is my second cousin, and my
    daughter's first-cousin-once-removed.
    
    				my Grandparents
    				    /\
    siblings			Mom  Jay
    				/       \
    1st cousins              me..........Stephanie (same generational level)
    		             /		  \
    1st cous. once removed Alex..........Kerry
    
    
    Mom and Kerry are third cousins.  I once had a boyfriend who, we
    figured out, was my first cousin 9 times removed (we shared an ancestor
    11 generations back; 10 generations= siblings, 9 generations = 1st
    cousins).  If Fred and I had happened to land on different generational
    levels, we might have been 2nd or 3rd cousins, however-many-times
    removed; but the families reproduced at the same rate!
    
    Leslie

    I think Ann's got it. For more detail (much, much more!), you might
    take a look at topic 335 in the VISUAL::GENEALOGY conference. (I'm
    particularly fond of the "degree-of-cousinhood" algorithm presented in
    reply .6.)
    
    Bring paper and pencil. ;-)
    
    -b

    Ok here goes. If my daughter has a baby I am therefore the baby's
    grandmother. What does that make my sister and brother? Grand Aunt and 
    Grand Uncle? or Great Aunt and Great Uncle. I thought great was
    considerd 3rd generation removed.
    
    M

    Well, logically, one would think it would be "grand-aunt," since the
    generational difference is the same as for "grand-parent," but I've
    always heard one's grandparents' siblings referred to as one's
    "great-aunts/uncles". ["Grand-aunt" does sound kind of odd, doesn't
    it?]
    
    -b

    That noise you heard was me screaming "uncle"... I looked it up and Ann
    is right.  (Engage brain before operating mouth, Leslie.)
    
    Now to beat up on my 8th (?) cousin Fred!
    
    Leslie

Does anyone have the words to the *very* funny song called "I am my own grand pa"?
Care to type them in ?  The song really exists, and it sings about a situation
in which some intermarriage leads to someone being their own grandfather.

/Eric

    
    	I have a copy of the song mentioned in .7 but it's on a 78 rpm
    	record.
    
    	Bill

Thanx to all who replied, I now know who I am ;^)

~Caryn

    Re. 7... My personal favorite song along those lines is Roger Miller's 
    
    "My Uncle Used To Love Me But She Died"
    
    ;-)
    Skip

    
                Michael Cooney's "I'm My Own Grandpa"
    
    
    Many, many years ago when I was 23,
    I was married to a widow who was as pretty as can be.
    This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red.
    My father fell in love with her and soon the two were wed.
    
    This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life.
    My daughter was my mother 'cuz she was my father's wife.
    To complicate the matter even though it brought me joy,
    I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.
    
    This little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad.
    And so he was my uncle though it made me very sad,
    for if he is my uncle then that also makes him brother
    to the widow's lovely daughter who of course is my step-mother.
    
    My father's wife then had a child which kept them on the run
    and he became my grandchild 'cuz he was my daughter's son.
    My wife she is my mother's mother and it make me blue
    because although she is my wife she is my grandmother, too.
    
    Now if she is my grandmother, I am her grandchild
    and everytime that I think of it, it nearly drives me wild.
    For now I have become the strangerst case you ever saw,
    As husband to my grandmother I am my own granppa!
    
    

    
    
    	oh oh oh...
    	may I extract that ??? I LOVE IT
    
    	Dotty

	Thanks for typing it in !  Now, if I can figure it out...

/Eric

The song lyrics may or may not be copyrighted (remember they're from some
70 years ago or so).

				Steve

    How long is it before such things become public domain?  I recall
    reading a few years ago that Happy Birthday to You (hbty, hb dear ___, 
    hbty) had just entered pd.  I never paid any royalties on that, btw,
    nor do I know of anyone who did.   hmmmmmmm
    
    Great song, interesting [genea]logic
    aq
     

Happy Birthday To You is definitely NOT public domain - just ask Mike
Jittlov, who had to come up on the spot with a different song during the
filming of his "The Wizard of Speed and Time" when he was told he had to pay
some $3000 to the little old ladies who held the copyright.

A copyright can be renewed indefinitely, I believe.  

				Steve

    NO, the limit on the last renewal of Happy Birthday's copyright
    expires soon. (a couple years?)
    
    ed

    WHich isn't to say it won't be renewed again.
    
    ;-)
    Skip

    It cannot be renewed again, the renewal limit has been reached.
    
    ed