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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

1249.0. "Dividing pension benefits in divorce" by QUARK::MODERATOR () Fri Apr 03 1992 16:59

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    My spouse and I are attempting a mediated, non-contested separation and 
    divorce. I accept the premise that my spouse may be entitled to some
    portion  of my Digital pension, but have no idea how to calculate how
    much, nor how to  delineate my spouse's entitlement in a separation
    agreement.  
    
    I have been working for eighteen of the nearly 20 years we have been
    married.  The first nine were in the military, for which there will be
    no pension  benefits, the last nine have been with Digital. My spouse
    has been working  for seven years, for which there will be pension
    benefits.
    
    Would the entitlement be expressed as a percentage of my current
    (estimated)  pension benefit? A percentage of my actual benefit when I
    receive it? A dollar  amount in 1992 dollars (I will be 65 in 2015)?
    How do I exclude pension  benefits which I will accrue after the
    divorce, to which we agree my spouse  has no claim? 
    
    I would appreciate a response from anyone with practical experience in 
    dividing up pension benefits. Please send a mail through the moderator
    if you  don't care to publish your details here.
    
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1249.1BSS::S_MURTAGHRebel without a ClueFri Apr 03 1992 18:559
    The premise seems to be that each spouse is entitled to a share (50% in
    Colorado) of the accrued pension benefits at the time of the divorce,
    not to future, as yet unearned benefits. This meant (for me) valuing
    the benefits based upon what I would receive today, 50-50.
    
    It is also possible to "trade" some other communal asset (say your
    interest in HER pension, home equity, etc) to allow you to retain 100%
    of your benefits.
    
1249.2It's the law....ICEE::BERGSat Apr 04 1992 22:1120
    I thought how best to answer you question as I was in your same
    situation not too long ago. Here is what my Stipulation says. 
    
    Plaintiff is awarded on-half of Defendant's retirement benefits earned
    during the marriage per the formula set forth in Woodward v. Woodward.
    For purposes of calculation the Defendant has worked for <company name>
    for <duration> during the parties' marriage. 
    
    That basically means half of everything related to retirement, money,
    interest, lumpsum payments. All of it. You have the option between the
    two of you to compensate her anyway you both agree equal to the
    calculated sum. Personel has the ability to tell you what the total
    benefit would be for the period of your marriage. There are several
    books that deal with this situation in the library and book stores
    under self-help (divorces). Many courts require that the statement be
    prominent in the decree. 
    
    A regretful situation, always. 
    Good luck
    Brett
1249.3NOVA::FISHERRdb/VMS DinosaurMon Apr 06 1992 09:2518
    The formula they wanted to stick me with was:
    
    She would get, at my retirement, a share computed by:
    
    (years married & working for DEC)
    --------------------------------- x Y where Y would have
         (years working for DEC)
    
    been her share if we had stayed married.  What I didn't like was that
    she would be getting a higher pension value whenever I got a raise.
    I bought it out, though I paid too much.
    
    -- Oh, I would have had a similar share of her pension.
    
    You can find out what the current cash value is of your pension and
    offer a $$ value equivalent to half of it.
    
    ed
1249.4;^)MILKWY::ZARLENGAthat was a lucky shot, grammaw!Tue Apr 07 1992 21:543
    It'd be cheaper if she got hit by a bus.
    
    Plus you'd get to collect the insurance.
1249.5<groan>RIPPLE::KENNEDY_KAWed Apr 08 1992 02:071
    
1249.6How bout this?GIAMEM::HOVEYWed Apr 08 1992 09:457
    
    Let's say that you've worked for DEC for 22 years, so your fully
    vested.
    The last four years you've been married and then got a divorce. 
    Would the spouse only be entitled to 50% of the difference over the
    time you were married ? Makes one think about re-marrying! 
                                                               
1249.7ESMAIL::BEANAttila the Hun was a LIBERAL!Thu Apr 09 1992 08:5715
    This is something that is negotiable.
    
    When my ex wife and I were divorced... I offered to her that she could
    have all of my equity in our two homes, plus four old cars which we
    owned, and in exchange, she relinquished all claim to her portion of my
    accrued retirement benefits from the two companies I'd worked for.  It
    was a fair offer... and her lawyer advised her to take it.
    
    Of course, she assumed the full mortgage for both houses, too.
    
    
    good luck.
    
    
    tony