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| 1206.1 | | QUARK::LIONEL | Free advice is worth every cent | Wed Oct 02 1991 17:27 | 3 |
| Try asking in VAXCAT::HOLISTIC.
Steve
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| 1206.2 | Some pointers... | MISERY::WARD_FR | Making life a mystical adventure | Thu Oct 03 1991 12:15 | 25 |
| re: .0
Also, there is some stuff on The Forum (which was Werner
Erhard's follow-up to EST--which *used* to stand for Erhard
Seminar Training) in note 425 in BOMBE::DEJAVU.
Then, there is note 130 in QUOKKA::PSYCHOLOGY and somewhat
related, note 180 (which is about one of Werner's former
associates.)
Werner sold his seminar trainings at the beginning of this
year, amid some lawsuits by the IRS and former employees and
amidst allegations of sexual abuse and incest by two of his
daughters. He has also sold most of his possessions in Sausalito,
Ca. and has moved elsewhere, from what I heard.
Former employees purchased his seminars and are conducting
workshops using the titles and processes. I have not heard how
these workshops differentiate from the former ones. Based on
the former ones, however, I would say that they were helpful to
many people, at least as an introduction into having/being more
than what they felt was possible. However, I would also add that
there are more elegant ways of finding these truths if one is
willing to explore instead of being hit over the head.
Frederick
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| 1206.3 | A funny thing .. on the way..The Forum | IBR1::JAIN | When the wind blows, the grass must bend. | Sat Oct 05 1991 13:42 | 19 |
| The Forum is an inquiry into the essence of being a human being. That
is what I got out of it. It opens up a new paradigm in which one can
query about what it is to be a human being. They don't offer any
answers during the seminar. What I basically learned in the seminar
was that there are three type of knowledge, as relating to humans.
There are things we know that we know about, things that we know we
don't know about and things we don't know that we don't know about.
Upon revealing some of the basic characteristics of being a human
being, common sense really, the participants embark upon a journey
where each participant starts inquiring into there own patterns of
thought and process sometimes stumbling into major revelations.
The thing I disliked the most about the Forum seminar is their
persistance in trying to sell you on other seminar series.
All in all it provided me insight into why people behave the way
they do, especially why I behave the way I do. I guess once you know
the reason for undesiravble behavior there no longer exists an
excuse or justification for that behavior.
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| 1206.4 | | SNOBRD::CONLIFFE | out-of-the-closet Thespian | Mon Oct 07 1991 09:58 | 4 |
| Is it sort-of like the "Positive Power and Influence" course that DEC sends
people to???? has anybody here been to both?
Nigel
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| 1206.5 | Book describing EST seminar | PANIC::CHRZANOWSKA | | Mon Oct 07 1991 13:19 | 9 |
| I live in the UK and only recently heard about EST from someone who had
been in the US. However, I coincidentally stumbled across a book a
couple of weeks ago by Luke Reinhart (who wrote "The Dice Man" on the
experience of EST. I found this in our local University library. I
think if you read this, it will give you a good idea as to what an EST
seminar is like. At least, that is what Erhardt states in the forward
at the beginning of the book.
Krys
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| 1206.6 | verdict: similar but different! | CADSYS::PSMITH | foop-shootin', flip city! | Mon Oct 07 1991 21:28 | 17 |
| re: .4 Nigel
I haven't taken est or The Forum, but I've taken a similar workshop
series called Lifespring. I've also taken Positive Power and
Influence.
At a guess, I'd say that they have similar aims but that PPI has a far
more limited scope and is very rational and logical in its approach. I
found it to be a fairly "how-to" oriented workshop about different
approaches to influencing people. In contrast, est (at a guess from my
experience with Lifespring) is more of a "what can you discover about
yourself and the world" type workshop. I found that PPI "gave" me
answers, experiential trainings have answers bubble up inside of me.
PPI is an excellent course for its purpose but is not designed to be
the personally transforming experience that workshops like est are.
Pam
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| 1206.7 | Letting go and defining a new future/present. | IBR1::JAIN | When the wind blows, the grass must bend. | Wed Oct 09 1991 14:03 | 7 |
| I haven't taken EST either but I hear that the Forum is different from
EST. The Forum itself is also very logical in it's course however it
is based on personal transformation via methods such as letting go of
your past, understanding the games people play to dominate or control
others and defining a future that can be lived in the present. Not
something I can explain however I can share my experiences.
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