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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

989.0. "Relationship and Career Continuity?" by CSC32::K_KINNEY () Tue Apr 17 1990 12:30

    
    
    	I have been noticing something that I identify as a PROBLEM
    	over the last few years and it seems to be getting bigger.
    	Wondered what the collective opinion was.
    
    	Two persons in what they hope to be a long term relationship
    	each have a career. Historically, we have seen that in order
    	to enhance one's career, it has been necessary to make one 
    	or more geographical "shifts" at least early on in said
    	career. What is happening now is that one person makes the
    	move if not to enhance, then because something has happened
    	to cause them to become unemployed. Here is where the problem
    	comes in. I have seen a number of persons trying to carry
    	on continuing long term relationships from long distances
    	because one partner ends up being un-employable if they both
    	try to stay in the same place. We then have large phone bills.
    	We keep the airlines afloat financially while we go down the
    	tubes. We put an undue strain on the relationships so we can
    	carry on with our respective careers.
    
    	Years ago, this was not a REAL big problem because lots of
    	partnerships had at least one person who was the 'stay at
    	home partner'. At this point, I have heard that a recent
    	count shows 70%+ of all partnerships have both persons at
    	least working, if not in careers (indicating a longer term
    	committment to some profession). So, have any of you dealt
    	with this personally? Any creative ideas on how to work with
    	this? 
    						kim
     
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989.1CSC32::GORTMAKEROnly 6 more sleepless days to go!Wed Apr 18 1990 04:0016
A great example of this is currently in the Colorado Springs news where a city
offical(sorry I forget the name) has quit his job after 18 months to return
to Phoenix to be with his wife. The reason is his wife who is a lawyer was 
unable to find suitable work here in COS. She would work in AZ durning the week
and commute to COS for the weekends causing considerable strain on their
relationship.
As I see it someone has to give in such situations which is difficult to do in
todays "me" society. If she gives she has bowed to male domination and if he
does the reverse is true. I sometimes wonder if we are not making marriage
obsolete with our so called new age thinking.

I think I like the "old ways" better when it comes to this.


-j

989.2dittoDEC25::BERRYStupid People Shouldn't BreedWed Apr 18 1990 05:371
    
989.3echoPARITY::R_ELWELLDirty old men need love, too.Wed Apr 18 1990 16:493
    I agree wholeheartedly with .1
    
    ....Bob
989.4Searching for a gentler time...CSC32::K_KINNEYWed Apr 18 1990 19:2322
    
    
    	Well, I guess I was seeing that too. These kind of tradeoffs
    	are a bear to deal with. Companies lose because they have
    	time and $$$ invested in their employees careerwise. Employees
    	lose because of the time they have invested in their careers.
    	And, I do worry about the bottom line effect on the relationships.
    	The one who does the giving must not feel REAL good about it.
    	I heard last year about some news woman (real famous I guess)
    	who was married to a fellow on the other side of the US. They
    	went like this for a couple years and decided that they couldn't
    	do it anymore. There went the marriage. It just seems so "lose
    	lose" to me. I prefer going for "win win" myself. I would rather
    	be hanging out in my porch rocker (or wherever I am then) when
    	I am old and gray (I plan on being a cool, world traveler old
    	lady) looking at the same face I looked at every day for the last
    	40 years than just be holding my cat and having memories of
    	a great career if you know what I mean. But I sure wouldn't
    	mind having both. I would prefer it if I could figure it out.
    
    							kim 
                                                                     
989.5CSC32::GORTMAKEROnly 5 more sleepless days to go!Thu Apr 19 1990 05:0717
Geez I think I'd give my career up in a minute if I could find me
a nice sugar mama that woulden't beat me too often 8^)

Financial prosperity is nothing without the wealth a happy personal life
provides.

I asked my mother about this today because I knew she had put her career on
hold several times to raise us kids and as my father transfered from place
to place in the air force. She said she never regretted it for a minute because
she knew that at some point she could return if she wanted. She also said
that being there for us growing up and having the love of my father was more
than enough reason to sacrifice a little bit. She did return to her career
by the way and has a collective service time of 37 years with AT&T not that
bad in my opinion.


-j
989.6No easy answersCSC32::K_KINNEYSat Apr 21 1990 18:3315
    
    
    	Well, having raised my kids already, I am not willing to
    	give up my career. It was too hard to get started. People
    	still find too many reasons not to hire women for the kinds
    	of jobs some of us seek. I like working. I will probably
    	work until the day someone finds me mummified in the halls
    	and even then, they may use me as a doorstop so I guess I
    	never will have to quit, huh? *8^)
    	I guess the problem cited in the base note will have to 
    	remain unsolved for now if I insist (and I do) on both
    	partners getting what they want/need in their lives both
    	personally and from a career standpoint.
    							kim
  
989.7".... get creatrive ...", "..cheat on each other.."AHIKER::EARLYBob Early, Transmission Products SupportFri May 18 1990 14:1735
>Years ago, this was not a REAL big problem because lots of
>partnerships had at least one person who was the 'stay at

    Years ago,  while  a  member  of the US Military system, separations
    were frequent (every  90  days, for 90 days), sometimes for 180 days
    to 2 years.
    
    In the case one  stayed  home,  while  the other had to be someplace
    where it either was impractical (children in school), unaccompanied
    tour (temporary), or impossible (war zones).
    
    About 50% managed, the other 50% got divorced.
    

>home partner'. At this point, I have heard that a recent
>count shows 70%+ of all partnerships have both persons at
>least working, if not in careers (indicating a longer term
    
    The only unique reply that  comes to mind, is that each person needs
    to look within themselves and decide for themselves this question:
    
    "What is THE most important factor  to  me, and HOW can we deal with
    it together ?"

>commitment to some profession). So, have any of you dealt
>with this personally? Any creative ideas on how to work with
>this? 

    Get  creative,    make   a  business  together,  sacrifice,  commute
    alternately, make it an "open ended commitment" ..    

    BobE