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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

745.0. "Be Happy!" by ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI (We're part of the fire that is burning!) Mon Apr 24 1989 09:30

    
    	Heard on the radio on my drive in this morning that there was
    a study done on baseball players. Baseball, as you may know, keeps 
    lots or records, which lend themselves well to statistical studies. 
    That is exactly what kind of study this was.
    
    	Seems "they" (of course I didnt catch the name..) correlated
    an interesting phenomenon between "happiness" and "longevity". There
    is an assumption here. It is that success at whatever you happen
    to be doing in life causes or, differently, allows for happiness
    to occur in one's life.
    
    	They showed that the more successful ballplayers (Hitters; more
    RBI's, Pitchers; more strike outs, etc) actually lived longer lives.
    
        The study was aimed at looking for what's good to do in life,
    vs what's bad for you, as most "medical" studies are. The conclusion
    is that you're own personal happiness, with yourself and what you
    do and are, contributes significantly to the time you get to be
    alive.
    
    	All the unhappy people you see and know, are killing themselves
    via that fact, apparently. When someone says that "this heartache
    is killing me", take it to mean the literal truth.
    
    	I've always wanted to be happy. I look at it as a goal in life.
    Probably, a good one to have.
    
    	Joe Jas
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745.1more support for happinessTOOK::BLOUNTMon Apr 24 1989 13:1125
    I have a program at home that runs on my PC, and calculates your
    life expectancy, based on the answers to about 15 basic questions.
    The questions are things like:
    do you smoke?
    What is the longevity in your family?
    How stressful/dangerous is your job?
    How much do you exercise?
    etc...
    
    What's interesting is that the single question that seems to have
    the most impact on your life expectancy is the question:
    
    	What is your outlook on life?
    		a. Life is a bowl of cherries...I'm always happy
    		b. I'm usually happy
    		c. I have typical ups and downs
    		d. Life is the pits
    
    By varying my answers to this question, I can change my life
    expectancy by around 5 years, whereas the answers to most of the
    other questions (do you smoke? how much do you exercise? etc)
    usually make a difference of only about 1 year.
    
    So, the message is get happy.
    
745.2 Not very convincingAPEHUB::RONMon Apr 24 1989 15:2114
Of course, it could be that successful ball players are those that 
exercise and play a lot, thus leading to a healthy cardio-vascular 
system, the number 2 killer of people who do not exercise and play 
a lot.

In other words, longevity may (and again, may not) be linked to 
success. Or ball playing.

As to the computer program mentioned in .1, have you heard about 
the guy who was told by his computer that he was **already** dead?

-- Ron

745.3That factor was clearedELESYS::JASNIEWSKIWe're part of the fire that is burning!Mon Apr 24 1989 15:459
    
    	re .2-
    
    In the news report, the exercise factor was considered, and found
    to be the about same for each of the subjects in the study; i.e.
    they cleared that factor from influencing the correlation.
    
    	Joe Jas
    
745.4CADSE::GLIDEWELLWow! It's The Abyss!Tue Apr 25 1989 00:0820
>  re .0, Joe Jas
>  [studies] showed that the more successful ballplayers (Hitters; more
>  RBI's, Pitchers; more strike outs, etc) actually lived longer lives.
    
Interesting idea.  Makes me think of the occasions on which I've
played way over my head in tennis, ping pong, writing .... I
remember how I felt ... totally coordinated, harmonious,
whimsical, light hearted, with absolute concentration. All the
negatives were absent: no self-consciousness, no doubt ...
all together quite wonderful: a feeling of total physical
and emotion clarity. Especially a feeling of physical lightness.

The experience always crept up on me; I never realized I was
being "over my head" until the experience had been happening for
some 15 minutes or an hour. Have no idea what initiated it. 

Perhaps the successful people are not so much Happy as they are
not Unhappy.   (Hmmm ... anybody know about the life span of
Nobel prize winners?)                 
                                                Meigs
745.5APEHUB::STHILAIREDon't hit. Share. Clean up.Tue Apr 25 1989 17:3019
    I agree that people should try to have happy lives in the sense
    of viewing the proverbial glass as half full rather than half empty.
     People should try to find the good in things, make the best of
    things, find hobbies and interests that make them happy, etc.  But,
    I can't help but wonder if longevity isn't mostly coincidence. 
    I mean, are most people who die young, unhappy?  I doubt it.  Were
    most of the people who get cancer or die in plane crashes unhappy?
     If you think about it, it's almost like blaming them for it.  It's
    not a coincidence that they were killed, or got sick and died, it's
    because *they* didn't make an *effort* to be *happy* enough!  If
    they'd only have been more *happy* they might be alive today!
    
    (First, religion threatens us that if we aren't good we won't find
    eternal life!  Now, health fanatics threaten us that if we aren't
    happy enough we won't live long lives!  If it isn't one thing it's
    another.)
    
    Lorna
    
745.6Good Points, Lorna! :-)YODA::BARANSKIIncorrugatible!Tue Apr 25 1989 17:470