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Title: | What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'? |
Notice: | Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS |
Moderator: | ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI |
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Created: | Fri May 09 1986 |
Last Modified: | Wed Jun 26 1996 |
Last Successful Update: | Fri Jun 06 1997 |
Number of topics: | 1327 |
Total number of notes: | 28298 |
713.0. "GENDER BIAS IN JUDICIAL SYSTEM" by HYEND::CANDERSON () Thu Mar 16 1989 15:56
I recently received the Gender Bias Study Status Report issued by the
Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court. I have reproduced the section
entitled "Gender and Economics" which deals with divorce issues. You
can get the full status report by calling Gladys Maged, 617-439-2801.
Please, comment.
Craig
OBJECTIVE
This Subcommittee's objective is to determine whether or not gender
bias affects the treatment of certain types of civil cases. Divorce
issues, including division of property, alimony, child custody, and
child support are the major subjects of the inquiry. The Subcommittee
is also inquiring into the influence of gender on the size of monetary
awards in civil damages.
PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION AND RESEARCH DESIGN
The Subcommittee concentrated first on recruiting a group of attorneys
and other experts with diverse interests and expertise in the area
under examination. This group then conducted personal interviews with
court officials and experts, including the executive administrator of
the Probate and Family Court; Professor Lenore Weitzman, nationally
known author of "The Divorce Revolution" and expert on the economic
consequences of divorce; chief family service officers from Probate and
Family Court; members of the Middlesex Divorce Research Group, a
research organization analyzing the impact of divorce and custody
arrangements on children and frequency of relitigation under different
custody arrangements; representatives of mothers and fathers advocacy
groups; family law practitioners in private practice and with Legal
Services; and attorneys practicing in the area of personal injury who
are knowledgeable about trends in court awards and settlements.
Also in the past year, the Subcommittee completed documentary legal
research on damages for homemakers in personal injury suits, use of
mediation in divorce, changing standards for child custody and division
of marital property under Massachusetts laws. The Subcommittee
conferred with court records managers in order to understand the
organization and accessibility of legal records for domestic relations
cases. The Subcommittee reviewed the work of the Special Legislative
Commission on Divorce, the Governor's Task Force on the Unmet Legal
Needs of Children, and the Committee on Child Support Guidelines. The
information gleaned from the interviews and legal research was used to
formulate and design focused research projects.
ISSUES RAISED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS AND INTERVIEWS
The following is a summary of issues raised by individuals who were
interviewed by the Subcommittee or who spoke at the Committee's public
hearings. The speakers are listed in the Appendix. These issues are
being investigated further using the research methods described later
in this section.
* EQUITABLE DIVISION OF PROPERTY UPON DIVORCE
Several speakers cited statistics indicating that the economic
position of women after divorce usually deteriorates compared to
that of men. Speakers remarked that in ordering the distribution
of marital property, some judges do not consistently recognize the
possibility of a disparate economic impact of divorce,
particularly in regard to future income and financial obligations,
even though the law allows them the flexibility to do so.
* RESOURCES AVAILABLE FOR CONTESTING DIVORCE
According to private and Legal Services family law attorneys, w-
omen are often at a distinct disadvantage in contested divorce
proceedings because they often lack the means to hire counsel and
expert witnesses, and they do not have access to, or expertise in,
financial records. This disadvantage is most pronounced in the
investigative and discovery phases, when access to records held by
men and assistance in interpreting these records are usually
limited. Parties cannot depend solely on family service officers
to inform them about rights and rules governing the process.
* AWARDS OF ATTORNEY'S FEES
Attorney's representing clients in divorce cases stated that the
courts' reluctance to award attorney's fees tends to hurt women
far more than men. They believe that fee requests are treated
less seriously in divorce proceedings than in other types of
litigation.
* EVIDENCE IN DIVORCE CASES
A family law attorney stated that many judges hesitate to delve
into financial documentation offered by divorcing spouses. In
such cases, the wealthier partner may easily conceal assets.
* CHILD SUPPORT FOR LOW INCOME WOMEN WHO ARE THE CUSTODIAL PARENT
According to Legal Services attorneys, low income women have great
difficulty obtaining adequate child support orders. The child
support guidelines are not always being used to establish support
orders; when they are, they may be used as a ceiling. Even after
enforcement proceedings, a low income woman may not have an income
above the poverty line.
* GENDER BIAS IN THE CHILD SUPPORT GUIDELINES
A representative of a Legal Services organization testified that a
number of factors included in the child support guidelines cause
the costs of child support to fall more heavily on mothers than on
fathers. Among these factors are family size, second families,
and medical insurance costs. A representative of a women's group,
although criticizing the substance of the guidelines, recommended
that they be generally applied to ensure uniform treatment of
cases across the state.
* CUSTODY AND CHILD SUPPORT FOR FATHERS
Representatives of fathers' organizations and the director of a
family service clinic testified that some judges' assumptions
about appropriate gender roles causes bias in favor of mothers in
custody proceedings and against providing and enforcing child
support to custodial fathers. According to a private attorney,
men have more difficulty than women getting changes of orders on
account of changes in circumstances.
* STANDARDS FOR MOTHERING
According to Legal Services attorneys, some courts have higher
expectations of mothers than fathers and this bias may result in
fathers receiving custody instead of mothers. In some cases in
which men have been granted custody and women make child support
payments, courts have been characterized as punishing the women
for not fulfilling their stereotypical role by forcing them to
make excessively high support payments.
* EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WAGE EARNING CAPACITY
the director of a family service clinic and family law
practitioners testified that courts often have unrealistic
expectations about a woman's capacity to become self sufficient
through employment. This sometimes results in inadequate awards
for divorced women.
* GRANTING OF CUSTODY OR VISITATION PRIVILEGES TO ABUSIVE MEN
Advocates of battered women organizations stated that judges often
do not inquire into abuse during contested custody proceedings.
Many women are ordered to share legal custody with abusive men and
this may require them to open their homes without protection to an
abusive man.
* ACCUSATIONS OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
Representatives of fathers' groups and a divorced parents' group
stated that courts permit mothers to deny fathers access to their
children by countenancing false accusations of sexual abuse. A
Legal Services attorney, on the other hand, testified that in a
large majority of the cases some evidence of wrongful sexual
contact has been discovered. A Legal Services attorney stated
that mothers are often unjustifiably disbelieved, blamed for
failing to prevent the abuse, or suspected of complicity. A
doctor doing pediatrics research reported that a recent study had
shown that the overwhelming majority of child sexual abuse cases
substantiated.
* DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE ENFORCEMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT
According to the Deputy Commissioner of the Department of Revenue
(DOR), their highest priority for their new child support
enforcement program is to increase the support received by
children. However, an advocate for lower income women and a
representative of a mothers' organization stated that DOR
proceedings thus far have resulted in little additional income for
mothers and children, but instead have resulted in financial gains
for the state. This program is still being implemented. The
subcommittee will continue to follow its development.
* RAISING OF CUSTODY AND VISITATION ISSUES DURING CHILD SUPPORT
ENFORCEMENT PROCEEDINGS
Attorneys representing low income women stated that fathers often
raise custody and visitation issues in retaliation for support
enforcement. Fathers are permitted to precede with them without
notice in the course of child support enforcement proceedings. If
DOR is representing a woman on the enforcement issue, she may be
left without representation on the custody issue, since that is
beyond DOR role.
* COURT TREATMENT OF CHILD SUPPORT LITIGANTS
Attorneys and litigants stated that court personnel often are
insensitive to persons seeking support and inefficient in their
processing of payments. Women seeking to establish support pro se
are given little assistance and are in some courts greeted with
hostility. Some courts set arbitrary limits on the number of
support cases they will hear in a given week. Whether certain
enforcement actions are taken often depends on in which court the
case is brought or to which probation officer it is assigned.
Slow court initiated enforcement leads to large arrearage that
discourage later payment.
* COURT ORDERED MEDIATION IN DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND DIVORCE
PROCEEDINGS
Legal Services attorneys stated that routine use of mediation is
inappropriate in cases involving domestic violence. A woman who
fears for her safety or that of her children is not in an equal
bargaining position. THis is particularly true if she is
unrepresented in court proceedings. Witnesses testified that
women in this position will accept child support orders below the
guidelines and custody arrangements that leave them vulnerable to
further harassment.
Below I have summarized some organization, methods and process notes
based on my reading of the status report.
1. The section reproduced above is one of four on gender bias in the
judicial system:
a. Court Personnel and Administration
b. Gender and Economics
c. Gender in the Courts
d. Gender, Violence and the Courts
2. The committee and staff seemed to be composed equally of women and
men.
3. The issues reported above are described as a qualitative and
representative summary of issues raised by witnesses testifying
and being interviewed.
4. The status report did not provide any quantitative data.
5. 80% of the speakers/witnesses were women.
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713.1 | it's pretty bad | YODA::BARANSKI | Incorrugatible! | Mon Mar 20 1989 10:30 | 22 |
| Looking this over, it is decidedly, and objectively Biased.
The majority of the topics are addressed on how they affect women, with no
comment at all on how the problems or the proosed solutions affect men. The
majority of the phrasing addresses women, rather then people including men, even
though I've heard of men having most of the problems discussed here.
There are a few cases where the bias is laughable, such as the topic "Standards
For Mothering", where women failing to get custody is viewed as punishment, yet
men failing to get punishment is not viewed as punishment, and women are
characterized as being "forced to make excessively high support payments", yet
men paying child support payments 'are not paying enough', even though the
formula for child support is the same in both cases.
The people included in the research are mostly the 'experts', not those who
benifit from a status qou, rather then those who are unsatisfied with the status
qou.
All in all, it makes me sick to think about it that these are the people who are
supposed to be trying to make things better.
Jim.
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713.2 | Not just woman | ANT::MPCMAIL | | Mon Mar 20 1989 10:59 | 24 |
| IMO Why do Men pay so much child support that they have to move
to a smaller apt. and have to subudize their living, When the wife
make as much or more than he does?
Why does the womanalways assume that he'll(EX) pay for me when
we get divorced. ie wife and husband get divorced, womann has to
settle for less because she didn't take her husband's or her family's
offer to pay all of her college expenses so she can get a degree
Pls note the wife voluntery gave up this option several times,
Why did the husband have to suffer the pains of having a gun
put to his head, no proof , case dismessed.
Why did he come home one day and only find the refrig, and
washer/dryer left because she couldn't carry those down the staris
but did manage to leave nothing of his $3,000 coin collection that
he started on at the age of 8.and took everything else of his.
Why did he go over his best friends to find his wife in his
bed?
The only reason he managed to hang onto the condo is they had
a second mortage with his father sayinng if in the event they didn't
live together, he could sue each individual for half of the money
he loaned them plus intrest and equity.
Who says the woman is the one to always to get mistreated?
In my case they can blow it where the sun don't shine.
Mad at the biased in this country
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713.3 | Gotta agree... | SUPER::REGNELL | Smile!--Payback is a MOTHER! | Mon Mar 20 1989 11:12 | 41 |
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Wow....
I tend to agree with Jim...
But, I think if we looked a bit further than the
symptoms here....every single point made [after it
slams the male side of the aisle....] here castigates
the *SYSTEM* for allowing the bias to happen...when
it does.
Perhaps the point here should be that the judicial
system is woefully uneducated, unwilling, and incapable
of enforcing even the laws that are in place to provide
eqaul justice for both parties...[not to mention
the children...]....much less provide inspired and
creative solutions....
[my opinion]....There are no good standard solutions
to the problems created by divorce....too often our
courst provide *only* standard solutions...ignoring
the humanaty of *all* parties....
I would like to see some pressure brought to bear
on the person who sits with the gavel, and the rest
of the old-boy legal system....and give all the parties
in the procedings a rest.
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As a quick aside...I have been burning "bras" for more
years than I care to mention...and this sort of
jingoistic report does noone fighting for equality
among the sexes any good. If you alienate *all* men
because they are forced to defend their own humanity
you will win no battles...women have to identify
*causes* not symptoms to fight...Men are not the
*cause*...the *system* that allows/educates/encourages
men to act in certain manners...is the *cause*.
Melinda
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713.4 | | ACESMK::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Mon Mar 20 1989 11:26 | 14 |
| This is kind of odd. The study addresses a lot of problems from
the perspective of women. Men are annoyed that men's problems aren't
given the same attention. (My guess is that they aren't as
statistically significant as problems faced by women.) I'm picking
up on a sort of irritation at women, like they're hogging the
limelight. Yet women can hardly be blamed for the situation. It's
based on the traditional roles of mother as child-rearer and father
as provider. And who's been in the position of dictating the roles
in society? I'd be happy to see family responsibilities divided
on more reasonalbe lines. One of the things that need to happen
is for men -- all men -- to cut themselves back into the parenting
role. Yes, I'm well aware that some men already have. But the
numbers are still small enough that no change has been made in the
overall perception of the man's role vs the woman's role.
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713.5 | | QUARK::LIONEL | The dream is alive | Mon Mar 20 1989 12:15 | 13 |
| Re: .4
The problem as I see it is that the study was NOT supposed to be looking
at the problem from "the perspective of women", but ended up doing so
anyway. Reread the objectives as stated at the beginning of .0. I was
surprised to see no observations from fathers' advocacy groups listed,
even though they were supposedly part of the team of consultants.
While some of the results of the study may be valid, I believe it
definitely only presents one part of the picture. And the problems of
fathers not receiving custody is hardly insignificant.
Steve
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713.6 | | ACESMK::CHELSEA | Mostly harmless. | Mon Mar 20 1989 13:10 | 7 |
| Re: .5
>And the problems of fathers not receiving custody is hardly
>insignificant.
The phrase was "statistically significant," which is a whole different
ball of wax.
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713.7 | 5. of the summary sums it all up. | SALEM::AMARTIN | Thhhhhhhufferin' Thhhhhuckatasssthhhhh | Mon Mar 20 1989 22:56 | 1 |
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