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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

618.0. "a puzzle" by SALEM::SAWYER (Alien. On MY planet we reason!) Thu Nov 03 1988 13:52

    
    you are "her (or his) worshipness oh wonderfullness magnificent
    one" on an island with 10,000 people.
    
    every one has a job and is making a neato living....farmers, lawyers,
    bankers, waiters, actors, ditch diggers.....
    
    10 people have the job of finding/inventing neato things with which
    to make life better for everyone....
    they invent washing machines....that's nice...
    they invent microwave ovens....that's nice...
    they invent vaccum cleaners...that's nice...
    	neato things that everyone can use to make their lives easier...
    
    
    but now...
    they've invented....an electronic device that will eliminate 50
    jobs....!
    	and, on this island, there just isn't anything for them to do
    unless you invent some non-neccesary function just to employ them...
    
    what would you do?
    
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618.1CGVAX2::MICHAELSThu Nov 03 1988 14:353
    I'd pull the plug on the electricity and tell everyone
    
    "Don't worry. Be happy."
618.3LEZAH::BOBBITTlunatic fringeThu Nov 03 1988 15:028
    I'd re-emphasize creativity and the arts, and perhaps get more people
    into volunteer work for various things.  
    
    Or I'd siphon them off into R&D for more cool things that we could
    export, thus improving the GNP.
    
    -Jody
    
618.4Let Me Say This About ThatCSC32::D_SMITHSat Nov 05 1988 15:072
    I'd invent a job that did not require any expertise, and knowledge,
    or any understanding at all. I'd invent politians.
618.5COMET::BRUNOThe Shropshire Slasher!Sat Nov 05 1988 17:007
         Fine tune the manufacturing process for the machine.  Begin
    exporting the machine to foreign countries.  Employ the displaced
    workers in the packaging, shipping, manufacturing, banking, and
    all other support industries which will pop up after the machine
    hits the big time.
    
                                      Greg
618.6Invalid premiseMINAR::BISHOPSat Nov 05 1988 17:4922
    One of the premises of .0 is wrong:
    
    We are told "there just isn't anything for them to do."
    
    The desires of humanity are infinite.  There are always things
    that people want done.  Perhaps there are no people currently
    engaged in some of them, but if you free up 50 employables, then
    there are always things they could do (though not necessarily at
    prevailing wages...).
    
    You don't need to imagine an island and a machine: consider the
    agricultural revolution in the US over the last century and a bit:
    in 1840 more than 80% of the population was employed in agriculture;
    in 1940 less than 20% of a much larger population was employed in
    agriculture.  Yet the "extra" people were employed at new jobs,
    and both the total wealth and the per-capital wealth of the US
    increased.
    
    Real history clearly shows us that increasing the productivity
    of workers does not create unemployment.
    
    			-John Bishop
618.7RANCHO::HOLTI'm more than chopped liver..Sun Nov 06 1988 13:037
     
    re .4
    
    Its so fashionable to bash politicos. Pity no one can come up
    with a better instrument for excercizing power. 
    
    You'd rather just have Caesar, then? 
618.8COMET::BRUNOVOTE! or forever hold your peace.Sun Nov 06 1988 21:005
    Re: .7
    
         He was a wimp.  I'll take Chaka Zulu.
    
                                   Greg
618.10Elect a solutionHOTJOB::GROUNDSCAUTION: Yuppies in roadMon Nov 07 1988 18:464
    RE: .4 (politicians)
    
    Ah yes... the ultimate public works project!!!  What would we do
    if all those folks were unemployed?
618.11....just like we do here at DigitalCGVAX2::WOODWed Nov 09 1988 13:352
    Give 'em Notes files.