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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

557.0. "Medding In Laws" by RATTLE::MONAHAN () Mon Aug 08 1988 10:36

    How does one handle in-laws?  The type who should be out-lawed.
    The type that always interfere?  The type that are very inconsiderate
    to the new family members feelings?  As well as being inconsiderate
    to their own son/brother?
    
    My fiance's family is 100% Lithuanian.  I've had problems with them
    since day one.  First of all, the mother didn't think too much of
    me because I saw her son more than once or twice a week.  (He made
    the *big* mistake of buying a house near his mothers.....she always
    spies on us.  I know this because she'll ask "What were you doing
    in the kitchen the other day when I saw....." or "What was that
    noise I heard the other day......" or "Why do you to go out so much?".
    This happens *all* the time.  (By the way, I'll be living there
    for a year after we're married      :-((((       ).
    
    The mother, and sister alike, are the type who are very judgemental,
    have critical things to say of everyone they meet, gossip all the
    time, and are very "strong willed" and feel their way is the only
    way.  (Because, of course, Lithuanians are *much* better people
    than Americans, and Lithuania is a *much* better place to live than
    America.  Well then, PLEASE, move back!!!!!  I'll pay for the moving
    costs!!!!!)
    
    I don't think the fact that I'm American is the only problem here.
    When told of our engagement, the mother said "Are you sure she's
    the right one for you?  Is she a good cook?  Can she clean well?"
    My fiance got mad and said that he wasn't marrying a maid.
    
    Furthermore, I'm the first girl this family has met, aside from
    the mother.  (He never really dated much).  She met one other girl
    and couldn't stand her because she was an "Older woman".
    OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD!!!
    
    I think that most of the problem here is that the mother is upset
    that her little boy (late 20's) now, for the first time in his life,
    is living a life of his own.  He's not over at her house every day
    tending to her needs.  He's living his life happily.  His own family
    can't even see how happy he is.  People at work and friends outside
    of work say that they've never seen him so happy before.
    
    The mother, on the other hand, thinks that he's "walking around
    in a daze and doesn't know what he's doing".
    
    My fiance and I have talked about this several times (almost broke
    up once!) and have decided that we CANNOT let his family come between
    us and that our happiness together is the most important thing here.
    He is VERY supportive of me and of all the emotions I feel.  He
    helps me in every way he can.
    
    The problem, now?  How do I handle this "situation" when it is
    presented to me again........maybe at family gatherings?  When I
    move in his house after we're married?  During the few, infrequent
    phone conversations?
    
    How do *you* handle your inlaws?  (if they're causing problems in
    your marriage).
    
    
    By the way, my family adores my fiance and he adores my family!
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557.1Learn about it.ELESYS::JASNIEWSKIOur common crisisMon Aug 08 1988 11:167
    
    	Sounds like his mother is of the old world parenting style,
    which I guess you'll have to accept. In preparation for future
    encounters, it's perhaps best to learn as much as you can about
    it. Knowing what to expect, you can plan how you'll handle things.
    
    	Joe
557.2time and distanceTLE::RANDALLI feel a novel coming onMon Aug 08 1988 11:3264
    Here's what I found out from getting to know and get along with my
    in-laws: 

    1.  Give it some time.  You're still new to the family.  

    2.  Try to find out something about your husband's culture from an
        impartial source.  

    I'm Montana Lutheran, my husband is NYC Jewish, and the cultural
    shock was something incredible.  They shouted and argued as if
    they hated each other, and interrupted like savages  . . . well,
    it's just a different conversational style.  But if they had told
    me that, I'd have assumed they were rationalizing behavior, but
    fortunately I met a NYC-Jewish woman who told me about how hard it
    was for her to deal with people who could only deal with one
    conversational thread at a time and acted like they never cared
    about what they were talking about. 
    
    So if you can find a Lithuanian who's not a friend of the family,
    or read some books, you might be able to pick out what's truly
    cultural and should be adjusted to, and what is personal
    unpleasantness that needs to be dealt with. 
    
    3.  Try to ignore the bad things [in my case, father-in-law's
        intolerant liberalism, mother-in-law's telling me how to raise
        the kids and conviction exercise will solve all my problems] 
        and look at the good things [in my case, father-in-law's
        sense of humor, integrity, intellectual honesty, mother-in-
        law's insight into human problems, tips on improving my serve]. 
    
    4.  Assume that no matter how angry she makes you and no matter
        how hostile she seems to be, she's acting from good intentions. 
    
    If she acts like you're not good enough for her little boy, assume
    it's because she loves him; if she quizzes you about what you're
    doing in the kitchen, assume it's because she's interested.
    Challenging her now is a good way to alienate her permanently;
    later, when you get used to each other, you can fight about the
    important issues instead of every little thing. 
    
    Besides, it may be truer than you think.  Neil's parents thought I
    wasn't good enough for him because they were worried about him
    marrying an older woman with a kid born out of wedlock -- and they
    had a point, since he was only 23 at the time. As they saw him
    with me and my daughter, and realized that he was mature enough to
    handle instant fatherhood, and got to know us, they gradually
    accepted us.  Giving them the benefit of the doubt now will
    save you a lot of apologizing and bridge-building later on.
     
    5.  Sell the house and move somewhere at least an hour's drive
        away. 
    
    I get along fine with my in-laws -- at a distance of 250 miles
    with three or four visits a year. If we lived close enough that my
    mother-in-law could see my day to day operations, she'd be on my
    case constantly.  She thinks I'm too strict with the kids, not a
    good housekeeper, and lazy because I would rather write than swim
    or play tennis or golf.  The distance between us helps us minimize
    the differences and makes the times together more important. 

    Just my two-bits' worth.   Hope you might find some of this
    valuable. 
    
    --bonnie
557.3Deja Vu?PLEXUS::V5REGISTRARMon Aug 08 1988 19:1336
    Wow!  Doesn't this sound familiar!!!
    
    I could have written your entry myself, substitute Italian for
    Lithuanian.
    
    
    I can sympathize with you!  I have to deal with this stuff on a
    daily basis.  I have tried everything in the book, and nothing has
    worked.  I wanted so badly to build a happy relationship with his
    family, knowing how much they loved him and cared about his well-being.
    I wanted them to be happy for us and for our good fortune in finding
    each other, the way my parents are.  Instead, all I get is a bunch
    of crap all the time, nothing said *to* me, but a lot said *about*
    me.
    
    It hurt me for awhile when I realized that true friendship could
    never be between me and his family, but I came to accept it, and
    so has he.  It's sort of a hot and cold thing, one day, I'm a "member
    of the family," the next, nobody speaks to me.  I have gotten over
    it, and it really doesn't bother me anymore.  I feel bad, for his
    sake, but I know *I* tried my best, and have never stooped to their
    level.
    
    It's really too bad.  I wish they's stop and think about what they
    are doing.  Someday, we'll be married.  There will be weddings and
    grandchildren and Christmases.  It's too bad we couldn't all be
    happy.  My parents have been extra supportive of our relationship,
    they have seen that we really love each other, and have tried to
    make up for the difficulties that his parents present.
                                     
    When there's nothing you can do, there's nothing you can do.
    It's easy for me to say, we're moving 3000 miles away this fall
    with nothing but each other.  I reckon they'll be a lot easier to
    handle on the opposite coast.
    
    Stacie
557.4distance in time or space helpsCSSE32::PHILPOTTThe ColonelTue Aug 09 1988 17:4125
       I wish I could say something more comforting than observing that
       this sort of thing is common. A friend of my wife is a 42 year
       old Thai woman with three children by a previous marriage married
       to a 26 year old native born New Hampshirite. His mother should
       understand divorce (his parents are divorced), but it doesn't
       help. She is continuously interfering, to the point that she has
       caused a number of temporary separations: the husband "goes home
       to mother" almost any time he doesn't get his own way.

       On the other hand when I was courting my wife my parents were
       horrified (my wife is Thai, my father reacted with all the color
       and xenophobic reactions in the book. My mother with all the "is
       she good enough for my little boy" routines). My wife's mother
       (her father is dead) hasn't spoken to her since we told her about
       the engagement (my wife is Buddhist and I'm a Lutheran - my
       mother-in-law considers our civil marriage to be invalid and
       sinful and is unlikely to forgive us until we go to Thailand and
       marry in a Buddhist temple.)

       However I can honestly say that we both have perfect in-laws: my
       parents are 3000+ miles away and her mother is 12000+ miles away,
       and both are leaving us to get on with things on our own...

       /. Ian .\
557.5Good news!RATTLE::MONAHANThu Aug 11 1988 09:5320
    Hi,
    
    After much anger and heartache, my in-laws have decided that they
    will support us 100% and they never want to come between us or cause
    us any pain.
    
    The mother bought me a little present because she want's to make
    me feel better.  You can't buy love, but I appreciate her intentions.
    
    Now that I know how they feel I need to deal with *my* anger towards
    them.  I can't dive into the family and be 100% warm and friendly
    again......that will take time.  And I really want to work on that.
    
    Things are *definitely* looking up!
    
    Thanks, all of you, for replying.  It really helped.
    
    Take care,
    Denise
    
557.6BE STRONG!!NCVAX1::FOULKRODThu Aug 25 1988 19:1612
    YOU POOR THING!!!!!!!!!  I have a mother in law that drives me B
    A N A N A SSSSSSSSS.  Have you tried talking to your new husband
    about moving a little more out of reach?  My mother in law quit
    bothering us because I put her in her place a couple of times, which
    wasn't easy to do.  At least your husband can "relate" to your
    feelings, my husband did too and told his mother everytime she made
    a comment that it wasn't her decision, place to comment, etc.  After
    awhile she realized he didn't want/respect her opinion so she quit
    with him.  She pulled a stunt on me a month after we were married
    (May) and I just came out and told her I didn't appreciate what
    she had done, and didn't want it to happen again.  So...we'll see!
    Be strong.......