Conference quark::human_relations-v1

    Yes, but with qualifications. It makes a nice goal to strive for, but
    if I could wish it into existence this minute, I wouldn't do it. 
    
    It's often occurred to me that (most) humans would have to be radically
    modified to be able to tolerate a state like that for very long. No
    striving? No tests? No challenges? No risk? We were created for (or
    evolved for, or both) the struggle to survive, and unless some serious
    bit-tweaking is done, few of us, in my opinion, would be content in
    Utopia. 
    
    Or maybe it's just a matter of "One person's heaven is another person's
    hell..."
    
    Anyway, it isn't likely that we'll have to deal with the reality
    of Utopia any time soon, is it? So we can strive towards it all
    we want.
    
    -b

    
    	I dont see the "challenge" of shooting my brother before he
    shoots me (as in war) or the "risk" of having all my stuff getting
    ripped of (as in crime) as leading toward personal contentment in
    my life. Just my personal opinion...
    
    	There are many challenges in life which are positive and not
    at the expense of someone else.
    
    	Just think, what nice housing *everybody* would have if we didnt
    blow all_that_money on war. What a great space program we'd have
    if *it all* went into that, instead. Whatever positive, instead.
    
    	Joe Jas
    

        Much of the idealism in the base note is laudable and desirable,
        but I wouldn't by the whole package as "perfection".
        
Children laugh, are safe, have fun, play...
        
        Laugh, fun, play--yup, all children should be these things.
        Safe is another thing. The world even without human failings
        is not a safe place. Children need to understand danger and
        know how to cope with it. They should, however, be sufficiently
        protected to be able to learn, to grow, and to survive.
        
Peace is everywhere in the world...
Crime is unknown, no such word...
Prisons are obsolete...
        
        Good things to strive for. Probably impossible, but the closer
        we can get the better.
        
Violence is unknown, no such word...
Weapons do not exist...
        
        Much the same as war and crime above, except that violence
        may be met in non-human nature and may be required when dealing
        with non-human nature.
        
Disease is unknown, no such word...
        
        Again, I doubt that this is possible. I'm also not at all
        convinced that immortality is desirable.
        
Sex is safe and natural...
        
        Being a believer in monogomy, my views on the attainability
        of this are much more optimisitic than on any of the above.
        With just a bit of care it can come very close today.
        
Love is abundant, all are welcome...
        
        Again, I see no reason why this isn't attainable in the
        moderately short term. All we have to do is live with love
        in our hearts. 
        
Hospitality goes without question...
Locks are obsolete...
        
        I grew up in a house that had never had locks in the 200 years
        it stood. My mother used to count noses and add two to get the
        number of people to cook Friday dinner for. It was usually twice
        the size of the household. Again I think this is attainable in
        the moderate term. 
        
Charm is everyone's nature...
        
        Everyone? not likely, but along with love and hospitality,
        it really is possible anytime we feel like it.
        
War is unknown, no such word...
        
        See peace, crime et al above.
        
Polution is a thing of the past...
Water is pure and clean...
        
        It was a thing of the future in the past. We ought to be able to
        make it a thing of the past in the future. A major step is
        understanding the big picture. 
        
Air is pure and clean, oxygen content high...
        
        I hope the oxygen content doesn't go up significantly. I was
        bred for the current levels as were the flamable flora. 
        
Food, fat... unnecessary...
        
        "Food unnecessary"?! As both a gormet and a gormand, I dearly
        hope not. And please don't take my fat away. It is an important
        ingredient!
        
The sky is so beautiful, a sliver moon and bright stars on a cool clear night...
        
        I loved when I was growing up, and love 'em still.
        
Green, life, nature, bountiful harvest, spaceship Earth, Earthlings unite...
        
        In many ways things are greener and more bountiful than they've
        ever been. The spaceship earth is there whether we accept it or
        not. We need to do a better job of balancing and to fix the
        ways in which things are much less green and bountiful. 
        
Prejudice, ignorance, hatred... unknown, no such words...
        
        Nice idea. Probably in the unattainable category, though
        
Race, an old world competition, some strange idea about skin color...
        
        Be careful here. Cultural heritage and even racial heritage can
        be a very rich treasure if we don't abuse it. Cultural and
        genetic diversity are both very pleasant and very important to
        long term survival. Subjuation and bias are bad things though.

        JimB.

    It sounds like the way things used to be... way back at beginning,...
    before man decided he was more than just another animal fitting
    into the scheme of things, ... before man decided that the environment
    must adapt to him, before man created a social order and structure.
    Think its too late to change our minds?  Can we go back to being
    hunter/gatherers again?  

    
    
    	I wrote this in September.  It's also in the POETRY notesfile.
    
    
    			ANOTHER WORLD - UTOPIA
    
    	Somewhere beyond the clouds
    	There is a perfect world.
    	There is not pain and
    	No heartache.
    	Peace and love abound
    	And hatred is unknown.
    	People live together in harmony;
    	Helping each other instead of
        Hurting.
    	Everyone is free.
    	Everyone is equal.
    	There is no war
    	And revenge is not a word.
    	Joy reigns;
    	Anger is subdued,
    	And all mankind is happy.
    	Someday, I hope we find it.
    
    							J. Morrissey