Conference quark::human_relations-v1

        Tired of holding down the fort.
        
        JimB.

    
    
    	Tired of moderating.
    
    							mike

    They turn into moderators, discover how much time that takes, suffer
    moderator burn-out, get cranky, bitchy, sanctimonious, and unpleasant.
    Eventually they quit trying to please all of the people (and DEC)
    all of the time, drop out and get real jobs. ;-) (or start doing
    the one they've got).
    
    Well, I don't know where all the old noters go, but I do know that
    those of us who took on the job of moderating some conferences haven't
    much time to write notes, because we're usually working on some
    other aspect of notes, like avoiding trouble and trying to soothe
    all those ruffled feathers you all seem to get. And that definitely
    leads to burn-out and major disillusion (dissolution?) in a lot
    of cases. Sigh. It was so quiet back in the "good old days" ;-)
    when noters numbered in the hundreds rather than in the thousands.
                                                      
    Tamzen
    

    We are here, but in my case, have gotten extremely busy, or started
    dating someone so evenings are all taken,  (or maybe both :-)...), or
    just in a lull where we are reading only, while new ideas state all 
    issues :-), or as Jim says, at times we get tired of holding down
    the fort...
    
    GLK

    I detect a trend here ;-)
    
    Tamzen

        Up until  a  few  months ago, I was in U.K., Sandy was here :==
        plenty of time for notes. We got married, and evenings are more
        fun not noting, y'know? ;*)
        
        Andy
        
        PS.  It seems  that  the  more  time goes by, we have new folks
        saying the same old things/discussing  the same old topics, and
        with the newer attitudes to Notes  as  a  potentially dangerous
        medium after the demise of Sex(c)etera, a lot of the humour and
        relaxed friendliness seems to have disappeared.... 
        

Partly I've been too busy, when I get home I don't usually feel like turning
on the tube even if I have the time. But I think in general I'm just bored
with the whole thing.

Jenna Poops

    
    ditto reruns.....
    
    Too much outside_of_dec activities.  Seems like we had more "fun"
    in the old-days....kids slept, smaller house, less money to go out,
    and all the discussions were new and *friendly*.
    
    Are we (and Notes) really growing up?
    
    GOG
    

    Not to much to say...I don't want to be repetitive in Notes....it
    seems I am in person.
    

    Well, personally, I've noticed that some of the members (new and
    old) seem to use this conference during normal working hours.  I
    remember one chap who explained that his manager gave approval for
    him to use the conference practically anytime he wanted to during
    the day.  That's fine I suppose, but even if I were given such 
    permission, I would certainly use such "working hours time" with
    much discression.  After all, we are not paid to be psychologists.
    (My apologies to the extreme few that are employed as such at DEC.)
    
    Sure, it sounds like I'm slightly off topic, but my point is that
    possibly a lot of people who used to be old noters recognized that
    they had real jobs and couldn't (or rather, shouldn't) use company
    time to exploit their feelings on such contravertial issues as
    "What do you like on your hamburger?".  
    
    Yes, I know that in most cases the above is an exaggeration, I under-
    stand how helpful this conference can be at times.  Goodness knows,
    I've used it enough times to let out my own feelings and harried
    emotions.  As well, there are lots of reasons why someone might
    write or read this conference during working hours.  Such as:
    using it during lunch time, or a well deserved break in the morning
    or afternoon just to break up the monotony of our normal work days.
    
    I DO enjoy this conference, however, I happen to be fortunate to
    have a terminal at home occassionally, and use it after-hours to
    log into this conference.  Admittedly, there was a time when I used
    to use this conference during working hours, but I found I got behind
    in real work, and ended up taking some of it home just to get it
    completed on schedule. (I'm glad those days are gone!).
    Maybe some of the old noters feel the way I do, and are not as
    fortunate to have a terminal at home.  Perhaps ?
    
    Perhaps they have better things to do ?!?
    

    
    	I like .11's explanation, although I'm not an "old noter" :')
    With such *interesting* topics like "leaving the seat up" or "is
    MAX HEADROOM a DEADHEAD?" people probably just say "I've got more
    serious things to consider"...
    
    	Joe Jas
    

    Got tired of DIGITAL Citizens spouting their wreaking
    guano about P&P policy.

    re: .0
    
    Jim - ALL the above. Noters, like the proverbial mustard seed, will
    do whatever seems right for them to do. Some, like a chameleon,
    change with whjatever color they happen to be on; some try very
    hard to use others experiences as a 'spring board' to leap up
    to a higher level of "knowledge", "sensitivity", "awareness", "whatever
    you hold dearest in the cockels of your heart".
    
    For some older ones (I guess I'm now one of the older ones, since
    some of the much older ones have become read mostly) - the topics
    are like Haleys Comet -- after a while they repeat, and it gets
    tiresome to write repeatments of previous topics
    
    So I find myself ignoring many topisc now, not because of lack of
    interest, but because i've 'written to' that topisc long ago, and
   maybe several times (thats where its nice to have archives to look
    back into, to see how we may have changed over time).
    
    Its been a sprt of pleasurable fun to watch someone new come in,
    open up  a topic from curiosity or even pain; and then observe that
    persons veiwpoint become altered as they change from what they now
    are, to the person they'd like to become (and do eventually). Even
    as I write this, there will be a few who'l read this, nod thier
    head and say 'Uh huh', and others who'll think (BS Early).
    
    Its kinda nice to have a 'silent' partner in lifes game, and its
    just as nice to have a not so silent partner at home. Sort like
    an 'unlicensed' counselor at the fingertips. (Also sort of like
    an unwanted 2nd conscience, too........ as anyone who's been 
    'woobied' knows :^) ......)
    
    Bob et trois

    re .13:
    
    An ironic twist, eh?
    
    :-)
    
    - M

    If you insist.  But your insistance makes me queezy.

    

    
    I'm still here...but *busy*.

    
     Some of us have gone off to explore strange new worlds (read other
     files) And then theres the time we get so buried in work, it leaves
     no time to note. But one way or another similar to the old bad
     penny we all return.
    
                                     Bob B

    This "old noter" is still around, but I no longer find it necessary
    to respond to each and every note.  Moderator burnout is also
    applicable, as is Gale's comment about dating new people. :-)
    
    			Steve (2700 miles from home)

    well .0 
    
    since you are among the truly blessed group that can actually say
    what you want without fear of being deleted for being out-spoken
    i suppose it is plainly obvious why you would ask just such a question
    
    now i shall supply an answer that will prove to be one that 
    "i believe will not be deleted"
    I Kerry N. Faulkner wrote this
    
    it is 8:00 p.m. on a sunday night 
    I am way away from digital time
    
    this is how it is
    
    once there was a void.........
    and god saw that it was good........
    
    then noters came along
    they are better than a void
    how much you judge

    p.s. .20 is my third attempt to explain "where the old...."
    so extract this 
    burn me at the stake
    and have a good time
    

what do you mean by "old Noter"?

    
    
    	Been noting since at LEAST '84 probably.... OR, was present
    	in some form or another at one of the first 4 original NetParties.
    	(some form or another goes from "I wish I was going" mail, to
    	being flown up by fellow Noters, to being on VAXphone with 5 others
    	AT one of the parties, to coniving a business trip from 'Rado JUST
    	to get to the party :-) or my favourite, knowing what Griff
    	was wearing at one of them.
    
    	It could also be anyone under 200 in WRU.

>     				   or my favourite, knowing what Griff
    	was wearing at one of them.
    

    Sigh... Mike, thanks for the memories.... I sure do miss that old
    ape :-)...
    
    Gale

Another old noter speaks:

Well I was around for the first Friends Notes file and the old WRU... and 
need we even mention the Older versions of Soapbox and gulp...SEXetera!

But things do change.. old subjects get talked to death.. and it is time
to let the new blood take over.

Of course in the "old days" when I did the majority of my noting I had a 
terminal at home, my social life was pretty much the net and noter's parties
(much as I hate to admit it now) and I did not have Richard and the wonderful
home life I have now.  Now in the evenings there is barely time for eachother
and the last thought on my mind is logging in to find out what is going down
in the wonderful world of notes!

I think also that any lasting relationships formed via notes have been continued
in mail and via the telephone so notes is not the only way of keeping abreast
now.  

I think like all things notes change, the people that do the majority of noting
change and the change takes over and points us in new directions...

gailann_ who used to be Kryptn::Kimbrough, Regent::Kimbrough, and is now
Ritz::GKE or Chefs::Kevilleevans

      Oh yaaaa the planet of the apes theme.......... 
     
    Now that was a good party........
    
            REK
    
    PS I started reading notes before I came out of the closet.
    I waited a year and a half before I registered in wru.......

    
    Old noters ??   well in my case, after only about a year (not so
    old), I read the notes and think "gee... what an interesting topic"
    so I go along, reading the replies to see if someone else said what
    I'm thinking.. and the subject turns..  then noters start in on
    each other (well you said this about that and I'm P.O.'d about some
    such trivial thing... and on..)....  so I think to myself "I don't
    want any part of this" and go on to the next unseen (which is now
    approxamately 1 year behind).  I would have loved to contribute
    to some of the 'older' notes... 
    then of course there is the time thing
    and the redundant part
    and the 'other things to do' delemma (sp?)
    ...... ?????
    
    

I still read my favorite conferences, but I, too, have a lot less time to
write these days, now that I'm no longer "single".

It's also a lot harder to "reply" when you're reading batch-style.  Don't know
yet if that's good or bad. :-)

Jill

    This is a treat for me, taking time to catch up on a few favorite
    notes conferences...
    
    My days (and evenings) are now spent doing schoolwork... and loving
    it!
    
    grins,
    Marge, masquerading as John H.

    Work work and more work... more than person has asked me why it took so
    long to respond to requests to join a particular file that I
    moderate... I told them that I have a job that DEC pays me to do
    and that moderating notes conferences are not in my job description...
    it's simply a matter of how much free time one has.  My job keeps
    me busy, a lot of the notesfiles are just too darn busy (and sometimes
    boring) for a reply to every note (or any note), and my after-hours
    life is quite full as well... old noters don't die... they're just
    next unseen...