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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

407.0. "MILITARY MARRIAGES" by NFL::GOINS () Fri Oct 02 1987 18:03

    I recently started this note because I tried to open up a topic
    that had already been started ("Long Distance Romances").  I was
    then referred to #198 by the moderator.  I don't feel, however,
    I will get the response I need by replying to this old note.
    So I am going to attempt starting a new note so I can possibly
    get some feedback.
    
    It's actually a similar situation as in Note #203 about the guy
    24 wanting to get married to a 17 year old and being assigned
    out of the country and asking his friends advice.
    
    My situation is a little different however, My name is Kim
    I am 30 years old, never been married, and ready to take the
    plunge.  I am glad I waited because if I was married young
    my curiosity would have killed me, I would have kept wondering
    "I wonder what would it have been like being single".  Well
    now I know what it is like and I can honestly say, it was fun
    while it lasted, but I'm burnt out on it now.
    
    Anyway, my boyfriend is in the Air Force doing year TDY (Temporary
    Duty) in Thule Greenland.  We've known each other 7 years and we
    were best friends first.  We met while he was stationed in Florida,
    and ended up being disco-dancing partners and entering contests,
    he was there when I was baptised, and other important times in my
    life.  When I moved back to Boston, about the same time he was
    transferred to Upstate New York where we had a reflamed romance
    and we became lovers.
    
    He gave me his grandmothers diamond about a month before he had
    to go and backed out of the engagement 10 days later admitting
    he didn't think it was fair to ask me to wait a year for him.
    It's been 5 months down, 7 to go and we are still hot and heavy.
    We communicate via cassettes, pictures, videos.  He came home
    for an editors conference and Nebraska and was able to reroute
    his trip to spend 2 weekends with me.  They were really great.
    He's planning another trip either around the holidays or on
    his birthday (Feb.).
    
    We are planning on relocating together when he returns next May.
    I will find out for sure next month, where his next assignment
    will be but he put in for Florida (first), Colorado (second),
    and California (third).
    
    I have waited my whole life to feel the way I do about this man
    and I want to wait for him.  He has been in the service for 12
    years and is planning on retiring with full pension in 8 more
    years.  I know he is married to the USA first; but I feel I can
    deal with his military committments for another 8 years.
    
    We are going to live together for at least 6 months (but not
    longer) before we decide whether or not to tie the knot!  He
    is also ready to settle down and wants kids like myself.
    
    What I am wondering is if anyone of you noters, have been in
    a similar circumstance and how it worked out.  The responses
    under "Long Distance Romances" were mostly negative but alot
    of them dealt with College Days.  Your replys will not effect
    my decision because it is already in the works.  I am just
    curious to see how much of a minority my situation actually is?
    
    Would anyone like to share their similar stories?
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407.1One "ex military family"BETA::EARLYBob_the_HikerTue Oct 06 1987 13:1062
    re: .0
    
    Well, my circumstance was quite different. I had known my first
    wife from high school days, from the ninth grade onward. After
    a couple of 'false starts' we got engaged while I was still at Keesler
    AFB in Biloxi, Miss, and we wrote for 9 months prior to getting
    marrried the followiong January.
    
    In January we colocated to Florida for 6 months, and  then I went
    to Korea (alone) for 6 months, and returned to the states and we
    located to Ironwood, Michigan. Morale was high, and the winter of
    '62 was quite cold. By that time my first son was 1 year old, but
    the natives were friendly and we got a few good 'credit perks' BECAUSE
    we were in the miilitary (most towns charge GI's extra deposits
    BECAUSE they are in the military).
    
    Between January 1961, and January 1968 (7 years, we spent less than
    a total of 4 years together, with the rest of my time travelling
    TDY to exotic places, meeting the natives, and killing some of them
    ("Peace was my Profession").
    
    I managed to travel (albeit reluctantly and poorly) throughout most
    of the mid-west.
    
    You should be aware that "most" (read : majority) of military marriages
    end up in divorce, particularly in SAC where the people do a lot
    of travelling.
    
    I've know several familiese, who through religious, cultural heritage,
    and other 'family oriented' upbringing had good marriages, stable,
    and didn't get divorced. Celebrated their 25 years of marriage 'in
    service'. 
    
    Given only your note to go by, it sounds like you're ready to commit
    to 'the long haul'; understand the military is his first mistress,
    and have developed excellent communication  skills to maintain a
    good relationship EVEN during protracted absences.

    The 'military' can provide a lot of supportive warmth from other
    military families, and if you can be 'community oriented' can play
    a valuable asset to wherever you go.
    
    I've seen a lot of 'good will' and 'good friends' everywhere we
    went. People, for lack of a better definition, are basically the
    same all over the world, regardless of language or culture.
    
    I mention the 'community', because you can find 'community' wherever
    you go, but during those long, protracted absences, its nice to
    have few close friends who can be trusted to provide support and
    help take care of 'small problems' around the house. It was long
    after I left the service that we separated.
    
    I left the service PRIMARILY because we got concerned about the
    QUALITY of the childrens education; the QUALITY (or lack of it)
    of being able to relate to my children as a parent. Even during
    non-TDY's, my shift hours were often 12 hours, 6 days a week; because
    those 'who could' had to compensate for "those who couldn't or had
    high friends who made 'discretionary exceptions'".

    Good Luck
    
    Bob        
407.2CSTVAX::MPOWELLFri Oct 09 1987 14:357
Well, I am engaged to a man who is in the army.  Our wedding date is
    September 17, 1988.  He just left for Turkey September 1, 1987.
     We continue to write and we talk on the phone alot.  
    
    My opinion is that if I love this man, and he loves me as much as
    he says, I know it will work out!  Regardless of whether he is in
    turkey or right next door!  Good luck in your pursuits!
407.3Some advise/observationsCIMBAD::WALTONThu Oct 20 1988 14:0367
    I have been waiting for this note forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
    
    
    My name is Sue Walton and I am a military wife.  I actually have
    been a military dependent all my life as my dad retired the year
    before I got married. 
    
    Anyway, I would like to offer two seperate perspectives on the military
    as a way of life, first as a wife of 4 years, and second, as a daughter
    for 18.
    
    
    
    
    I.	The military is an organization whose fundemental principles
    are not condusive to family life.  It is true that an outrageous
    number of military marraiges end in divorce.  But from personal
    experience, I can say that there are some concrete reasons for this.
    Many young men who are in the service marry quite young.  The wives
    are also quite young, and have not had a chance to "develope"
    themselves so often they look to their husbands to provide them
    with an "identity".  Unfortunately, when the male is gone more that
    he is home, it is very hard to keep this up.  If all you ever wanted
    was a man to take care of and raise a family with, and 5 years down
    the line you realize the man has been gone three of them, it is
    a rude awakening.  Many times you discover that you have raised
    the kids mostly alone, etc....
    
    If, on the other hand, you have a "career", interests seperate from
    your husbands, you can actually do quite well.  Ken and I have treated
    our marraige as one long honeymoon.  He is a green beret in the
    army and is gone for extended periods of time.  We see each other
    for such limited amounts of time that we don't waste it by arguing
    about stupid little things.  (We argue about the huge things. like
    house payments, etc...)
    
    The point is, if you go into the marriage with your eyes open and
    a clear understanding of the realitys of the life, you can make
    it work very well.  
    
    Some final words of caution for wives.  Be aware of the fact that
    it is easy to become lonesome when they are gone.  For a long time
    I would shop when I got lonesome for Ken.  But there is a difference
    between lonesome and lonely.
    	Also, be very cautious about becoming very involved with other
    wives who are associated with your husband.  Often times the get
    togethers are nothing more than excuses to gossip about who is doing
    what to whom.  I no longer associate with 99% of the wives of my
    husbands teammates because they usually just want to stone someone
    who isn't around to defend themselves.
    
    
    II.	As a daughter, I adored the military life.  We lives all over
    the world.  As a result, I became VERY openminded and accepting
    of the differences in people.  I got a decent education with Department
    of Defense schools, and found as a junior when I went to civilian
    high school for the first time that I was substantially ahead of
    my peers.
    
    
    
    		All in all, I say good luck and if you ever need to
    talk, feel free to drop me a line.  I have had/seen all of the best
    and the worst the military has to offer!
    
    
    Sue
407.4SAD ENDING!DASXPS::COUTEWed May 31 1989 15:2816
    Hi, My name is Kim.  I am the author of this note.  Since I created
    this note, I thought I might as well bring you up to date.  It's
    a year later and I came back to Massachusetts for my sisters wedding.
    I'm temping at Digital for 3 weeks.  This story has a sad ending.
    We only lasted together for 2 months after we relocated to Florida.
    The worst part was my mom predicted he would be out in his own
    place in that time frame.  I found pictures and letters proving
    he was unfaithful to me in Thule Greenland and he is now living
    with an older woman (widow) with four kids.  I have had my share
    of men in uniform, I had to find out the hard way that most of
    them have a woman in every port just like the old adage insinuates.
    I am recovering well and have decided to put all the time and
    energy I devoted to him into myself and see how far it takes me.
    LIVE AND LEARN!
    Kim
    
407.5I am hurt, but also understand why you say..AHIKER::EARLYBob Early CSS/NSG Dtn 264-6252Fri Jul 14 1989 13:2528
    re: .4
    
    The pain and anguish expressed in this reply are understandable, but
    are not unique to 'military' marriages, husbands, or life in general. 
    
    I feel offended by your comment " I have had my share of men in
    uniform, I had to find out the hard way that most of them have a woman
    in every port just like the old adage insinuates.". 
    
    It punishes my sensibilities and leaves readers with the impression
    that a real truth is being expressed. It my belief, after 8 years in
    the military (see also .1), that the number of men unfaithful to their
    wives is approximately equal to the number of wives unfaithful to their
    husband, plus 30%. 
    
    It is my belief these numbers approximate 'Civilian Marriages and
    Statistics' for those marriages in which one spouse travels extensively
    and frequently. 
    
    Hopefully you will recover, and eventually will discover for yourself
    the perceieved truth of my words, and will go on to love yet another,
    knowing full well that "History repeats itself".
    
    In short, Good Luck 
    
    Bob