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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

245.0. "Quickie Divorce?" by COVERT::COVERT (John R. Covert) Sat Mar 14 1987 09:57

I'm sure there are some divorce experts in this conference.  :-)  I've received
the following inquiry (edited) from a friend, a U.S. citizen living abroad.

>Mike and I are calling it quits.  We are still on good speaking terms and
>have decided it best we give up before our relationship deteriorates further.

>I absolutely want a final divorce before the end of the year so that I can
>avoid the bath I have been taking on income taxes the past few years.  My
>promotions combined with Mike's income have put us in a tax bracket way too
>high for consideration.

>If you have any suggestions on how to accomplish a divorce QUICKLY, they will
>be gratefully received.

Any suggestions from this expert audience?

/john
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245.1The State of DivorceKRAKEN::HUNZEKERBill HunzekerSat Mar 14 1987 14:0117
    Much depends upon the state in which they claim residence.  The
    last time I counted 40 of the 50 states had 'no-fault' laws and
    in most of these a divorce can be obtained in less than eight months,
    especially if the custody (if any) and property can be settled by
    the participants rather than by a court.
    
    In NH, for example, it takes betwen 4 & 8 months to complete the
    process and it is final at the end of that time.  Some other states have
    a waiting period a/k/a 'cooling off' period which could push your
    friends' actions out beyond the end of the calendar (tax) year.
    Best advise them to check their own state laws.           
    
    I believe it is still possible to get a non-resident divorce in
    Nevada in ten days or less, but one (or both) must be there to
    accomplish it.
    
    - Bill 
245.2QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centSat Mar 14 1987 21:1412
    NH can be a lot quicker than 4-8 months for an uncontested
    divorce.  If you do things right, it could be as little as two months.
    
    However, I've seen ads for "quickie divorce packages", which include
    plane fare to (and from) some locale where there is no waiting
    period - often some Carribean island.  These usually require both
    parties to be present.
    
    I hope though that this couple at least understands that one or
    the other of them may lose significant legal rights if they
    insist on a "quickie" divorce.
    			Steve
245.3COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertSun Mar 15 1987 21:423
Can you dig up one of those "quickie divorce" ads?

/john
245.4What kind of "significant legal rights"?YODA::BARANSKISearching for Lowell Apartmentmates...Mon Mar 16 1987 12:590
245.6QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Mar 16 1987 13:4220
    Re: .4
    
    By loss of significant legal rights, I meant that if one simply
    ends the marriage with no written agreement about division of
    assetts, custody (if applicable), etc. one of you may regret it
    later.  Perhaps the couple have no significant assetts and have
    equal earnings, but I would be very hesitant to end a marriage
    quite so simply.
    
    My own marriage ended cleanly compared to most (in the financial
    sense, not emotional), and I realize I would have perhaps missed
    a lot if I had not had an experienced lawyer watching out for my
    interests, thus my hesitation at recommending "quickie" divorces.
    But I suppose if the marriage was short-lived and there was nothing
    really to split, it might work out ok.
    
    If I ever run across one of the ads again, I will post something
    here, but it's not something I go looking for!
    
    					Steve
245.7This sounds good:COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Mar 16 1987 21:2032
Call Fresh Pond Travel in Natick.  They have a package to Haiti that
includes a very pretty hotel, (Petite Caribe in Petionville, just
outside of Port-au-Prince), airfare and legal services of a riot of
a lawyer named "Buddy".

I went with a divorcing friend before the fall of Duvalier while the
country was still peaceful.  Friends of mine have gone since and stayed
in a Holiday Inn and never ventured outside.  I was a wide-eyed tourist
and we even picked up a local who took us to a REAL Voodoo ceremoney, (NOT
a 'show'), which turned out to be a celebration of "The Day of the Dead", 
(November 2nd)!  It was scary but GREAT!

The cost of the entire thing, (except rum punches!), equaled the cost of 
divorcing in Massachusetts and waiting the ridiculous amount of time they 
want you to.  In Haiti, you are divorced when you sign.  Buddy will marry
you immediately following the divorce if you are so inclined! 

Both parties do NOT have to be present but the one getting the divorce
must present legal papers giving him/her power of attorney.  In an
amicable divorce, (as this one was), there is no other way to go!

Fresh Pond also has packages to the Dominican Republic, but everything is 
MUCH more expensive than Haiti.  If your friend is nervous about the state 
of Haiti these days, it might be worth it.

Good luck to your friend and if he/she goes, tell him/her to look up 
occasionally.  Big spiders build huge webs between the trees, some even
spanning the street!  And NEVER go barefoot in a tropical country!

Cheers,

Anon
245.8QUARK::LIONELFree advice is worth every centMon Mar 16 1987 22:105
    Re: .7
    
    I think I'd stay well away from Haiti...
    
    				Steve
245.9Pro Sae Divorce in N.H.ATPS::FODENMon Mar 23 1987 17:3512
    The N.H. Bar Association can give you the address to send for the 
    PRO SAE (for yourself) Divorce kit.  
    
    However, they don't recommend it if you have property or children.  We 
    have both, but are putting a lot of weight on mutual respect and
    trust.  I'll let you know how it comes out.  
    
    The kit seems to be very comprehensive and lists each step in the
    process, provides templates of all paperwork (which you can type),
    and lists the cost of fees.  It certainly seems worth the $4 cost.
    
    Alicia
245.10Phyllis knows what she's talking aboutCURIE::LEVITANTue Mar 24 1987 14:2111
    Contact Phyllis Eliasberg from Channel 7.  I was present last 
    year for a talk she gave - her background is as a lawyer - and
    while in California set up some legal clinics.  I know she 
    mentioned divorce 'kits' - but I don't remember too much about
    it.  She's very warm, very knowledgeable, very sharp, and much
    prettier (and pounds lighter) than on t.v.
    
    No matter what you do, I agree that it's worth it for both of
    you to have a lawyer look over all your papers before filing.
    
    Good luck.
245.11tax statusGUMDRP::MCCLUREWho Me???Fri May 15 1987 09:5913
    This topic appears to be quiet now, but I'm catching up from my
    short-term disability status.
    
    If I read .0 correctly, the prime concern with speed is the tax
    filing status at the end of the year. Even though I my divorce was
    not final, my tax preparer stated that my filing status would be
    'single' and not 'married-filing seperate', since the divorce had
    been granted and we were seperated. This made me very happy! The
    'married-filing seperate' category takes the biggest bite of all
    the categories.
    
    Bob Mc
    
245.12COVERT::COVERTJohn R. CovertMon Dec 21 1987 17:0116
Well, the friend in .0 just got back from a Fresh Pond Travel trip to the
Dominican Republic with signed divorce decree in hand.

He had returned from his overseas assignment, and both he and his (now ex-)wife
were living in Virginia, so last summer he filed for a divorce.

But there was no way it was going to be granted, under Virginia law.  Seems that
Virginia requires two witnesses for each party that will certify that the couple
did not live together for six months prior to filing for divorce.  The only
people that could provide that certification for him were 12,000 miles away.

So, off to the Dominican Republic.  He thanks the person who provided the
information posted earlier, and recommends Fresh Pond Travel to anyone in
need of similar services.

/john