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Conference quark::human_relations-v1

Title:What's all this fuss about 'sax and violins'?
Notice:Archived V1 - Current conference is QUARK::HUMAN_RELATIONS
Moderator:ELESYS::JASNIEWSKI
Created:Fri May 09 1986
Last Modified:Wed Jun 26 1996
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1327
Total number of notes:28298

103.0. "Rationalisation" by BIZET::MAHONEY () Fri Oct 17 1986 00:54


    This topic is one of the more interesting I think. It has many
    different avenues.  Such as we rationalise to ourselves about
    a lot of different things.  We also rationalise to each other.
    
    Some rationalisations can be blaming others for your problems.
    (This is not meant to point fingers.  It is just a generalization.)
    You may rationalise why you bought those new clothes or that VCR.
    Rationalising seems to be something that is very much a part of
    being human.  As I said in another note, it seems to me
    that many times that if I don't like an some aspect of a certain 
    person it is because it something I didn't like in me.  You tend
    to rationalise why you don't like it. Very really do you on the
    spot say oh I do or did that.  

    Now I try to watch myself to try to stop rationalising away
    things I do.  I do not always succeed.  It seems it is easier
    sometimes not to face the truth.  I wonder if when people
    rationalise is it to put off facing the truth or ignore the truth?
    It is probably a combination of the two.  There are somethings
    you can just not face, others you just need time.  


    Comments?

  Brian
    
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103.1Double visionKRYPTN::JASNIEWSKIFri Oct 17 1986 09:1613
    
    	Rationalization puts the system in balance; Well, lets see,
    I did this cause of that which was spawned from...Sorta ties up
    the "loose ends" and lets you see the path of decisions from beginning
    to end.         
    
    	What you have to watch out for is the *Double Standards* in
    your rationalization of something. "Well, I was under a lot of
    pressure, so it was OK for me to do that then" or "I can get away
    with that because I'm the ______ and you're the ______" ect, ect.
    
    	Joe Jas
    
103.2I think I kinda like itATFAB::REDDENseeking the lost illusionFri Oct 17 1986 09:2710
    I'm not sure I understand, but it seems to me that rationalizing
    can be a good thing.  For instance, I sometimes have a tendency
    to try to take the blame for all the problems around me.  To balance
    this, I try to find owners for problems.  If someone gets upset
    and is rude to me, I can usually percieve their behavior as their
    problem, even if I should own a piece of it, in all honesty.  I
    think what I'm doing is called rationalizing, and I like it better
    than always feeling I have to take the blame.  Maybe if I get a
    lot better at rationalizing, it could become a problem, but I am
    not sure what sort of problem to expect.
103.3Rationializing is manipulating your universe...YODA::BARANSKILead, Follow, or Get Out Of The Way!Fri Oct 17 1986 11:2523
Humans rationalize all their lives.  It is the process of taking the reality of
the universe and quantizing it into bits and pieces that we can recognize,
remember, store, and control.

But if you accept only one rationalization/view of a subject; you invariably end
up throwing a *lot* of information away.  It's like seeing a picture of a
statue, you only see one view.  You can't walk around it and admire it's curves
around all sides, you can't touch it and feel it's texture, it's temperature, or
it's vibration.

When you rationalize that there is *one* reason for an action, or one view of an
object, or one X of Y.  You blind yourself to reality as if you only had one
colorblind eye.  Accept your rationalization as something you own and control;
but do not limit yourself to it.  Accept that you (and others) have others views
that are just as valid.

Not only do people rationalize an action, but they rationalize why they
rationalize that action the way they do, and so on...

Rationializing is manipulating your universe.  But do not let your
rationializing manipulate *you*.

Jim.
103.4A Defense Mechanism.......HAVOC::PWILLIAMSFri Oct 17 1986 12:215
    Rationalization is a defense mechanism.  It seems to justify
    "irrational" behavior.  It is necessary to rationalize, but just
    like everything else, in moderation.
    
    - Petra
103.7Its a bunch of liesATFAB::REDDENNice, but much too seriousSun Oct 19 1986 10:4310
    If you ask me what I am gonna do, I will try to give you a *rational*
    answer, but it will be a lie, because I don't know what I am gonna
    do.  If you ask me why I did what I did, I will try to give you
    a *rational* answer, but it too will be a lie, because the reasons I
    do things are more complex than I understand.  You already know this, 
    because you are the same as me, but you appear to believe these
    lies when I tell them to you.  Isn't that strange?
    
    I wish I could rationalize a smiley face with rational eyes telling
    rational lies.
103.8wow!YODA::BARANSKILead, Follow, or Get Out Of The Way!Sun Oct 19 1986 22:220