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Title: The PDP11 conference
Notice:This is an MDNF -- Management Disinterest Notes File
Moderator:ATLANT::SCHMIDT
Created:Thu Sep 11 1986
Last Modified:Fri May 30 1997
Last Successful Update:Fri Jun 06 1997
Number of topics:1162
Total number of notes:4942

1155.0. "PDP-11 DECtape bit ordering" by CSTMSO::SUPNIK () Fri Mar 14 1997 16:09

    If anyone has a TC11 manual, could they send me a copy?
    
    I need to understand how a PDP-11 DECtape controller read and wrote
    DECtapes, particularly those written on other machines.  A DECtape
    consists of 3 information tracks (redundantly written):
    
    info 1/	bit<n>		bit<n+3>	...
    	2/	bit<n+1>	bit<n+4>
    	3/	bit<n+2>	bit<n+5>
    		---> towards end of tape
    
    On a 12b or an 18b PDP, the tape was written in big-endian order, with
    bit<0> appearing at <n>, <1> at <n+1> and so on.  What was the bit
    order on a PDP-11?
    
    This note is also cross posted to PDP_HOME_COMPANION.
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1155.1Will these help?SEDSWS::SIAREYMon Mar 17 1997 04:2512
    Hi, 
    
    I can offer you a paper copy of "TC11 DECtape system manual - DEC-11-HTCB-D"
    or "TC11 DECtape system engineer drawings".
    
    Will either (or both) of these help, if so send me a mail with details
    of where to send them in the infernal post, SEDSWS::SIAREY.
    
    Regards,
    Colin S.
    
    (ps. I am in the UK so they may take awhile to reach you).
1155.2HELIX::WELLCOMESteve Wellcome SHR3-1/C22 Pole A22Mon Mar 17 1997 13:405
    Well, the DECtape formatting was the same for PDP-9/10/11/15, and
    the two "extra" bits (18 bits of space for a 16-bit word) were
    not used on PDP-11s.  That makes me think the format was basically
    the same as for the other machines.
    
1155.3Confirm hardware formats were same on DECtapeEVMS::EVERHARTMon Mar 17 1997 14:2510
    Yes, pdp9, pdp10, and pdp11 DECtape was formatted the same. There were
    programs (I used to use them at MIT now and then) that could read
    and write pdp9 DECtape on pdp11, pdp11 DECtape on pdp9, pdp10
    DECtape on pdp8, and various others. You could put the pdp11 DECtape
    controller in a mode to read the "extra" 2 bits (ie, bits 16 and 17,
    0-15 being easy) and reassemble the data by hand. File structures on
    these DECtapes were of course completely different one from another;
    KM9-15 tape looked nothing like pdp10 monitor looked nothing like
    Dos-11 looked nothing like RSX11...
    
1155.4Then there was the TC12-FHELIX::WELLCOMESteve Wellcome SHR3-1/C22 Pole A22Tue Mar 18 1997 14:2113
    Then there was the TC12-F LINCtape option, which let you read and
    write DECtapes on a LINCtape drive.  Since LINCtapes turned in the
    opposite direction to DECtapes, and the data words were recorded 
    (more or less) as:
    
     0  1  2  3			 0  3  6  9
     4  5  6  7   instead of     1  4  7 10
     8  9 10 11			 2  5  8 11
    
    it got pretty interesting.
    
    I might even have documentation on it, somewhere, although I'm not
    sure I'd want to admit it....
1155.5Got answerCSTMSO::SUPNIKWed Mar 19 1997 16:487
    And the answer is...
    
    PDP-11 DECtapes also worked from high order bit to low.
    
    Thanks for your help, everyone.
    
    /Bob