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Title:Movie Reviews and Discussion
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Created:Thu Jan 28 1993
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626.0. "Wyatt Earp" by VNABRW::BARTAK (Andrea Bartak, Vienna, Austria) Fri Sep 02 1994 08:37

    This movies opens today here in Austria.
    It stars Kevin Costner, Dennis Quaid and Gene Hackman, directed
    by Lawrence Kasdan.
    I wonder why there is no topic here in Movies ? Hasn't it been
    released in the US yet ?
    
    Andrea
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626.165320::RIVERSEven better than the real thingFri Sep 02 1994 10:5013
    Yes, it has already came and went here.  
    
    I havne't seen it, and I do like (generally) Lawrence Kasdan stuff, but
    almost every review I read said:  "Overly long, slow, and generally
    boring.  Nice job by Dennis Quaid, though."
    
    So I figured I'd pass.  
    
    If I'm not mistaken, I think it's out on video already, at least via
    the video tape club I belong to.
    
    
    kim
626.2Didn't get to see this one...10529::HAYNESFri Sep 02 1994 14:259
    Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE that I talked to that had seen this said
    it was an OK movie, but that TOMBSTONE was muc, much better...
    
    I liked Tombstone, but was planning to see this, didn't get a chance.
    
    Anyone see Wyatt Earp and like it better than Tombstone?
    
    Michael
    
626.3Another vote for TombstoneATZ02::RHOTONJohn Rhoton @AUI - DTN 754-2345Mon Sep 05 1994 06:1013
    I just saw Wyatt Earp and agree with the previous two replies.  If you
    have already seen Tombstone, like I had, Wyatt Earp is very slow.  You
    already know more or less what is going to happen so you are just
    waiting and any comparisons are usually not favourable.
    
    Dennis Quaid is good but that is not enough. I think I liked Val
    Kilmer better anyhow.
    
    It would be interesting to know what someone thinks who hadn't seen
    Tombstone first.  I would guess it is not too bad even though a bit
    long.
    
    John
626.4val kimer IS doc h.42371::NEWTHGWed Sep 07 1994 08:3111
    
    
    barry norman reckoned it was either too long (over 3 hours) or
    too short (tried to deal with too much in too short a time) and
    would've been better off as an 8hr tv mini-series
    either way, it's thunder was stolen by tombstone despite good acting
    all round...probably wait till the video or until beds are installed
    
    giles
    
    
626.57361::MAIEWSKIMon Sep 12 1994 15:3814
  ... and of course if you haven't seen Tombstone there "Gun Fight at OK Coral"
staring Bert Langcaster as Wyatt Earp and Michael Duglas as Doc Holiday not to
mention the last episode of the Wyatt Earp TV series which ended with this
story. 

  Then for a totally different story having little to do with any of the four
stories mentioned above, there is a documentary that pops up on occasion on PBS
that tells the real story of the Gun Fight at OK Coral.

  One big difference, the real fight lasted about 20 seconds. The Earps and Doc
Holiday just walked into the coral and started blasting. It was over before
most of the "bad guys" knew what had happened. 

  George
626.612138::WEISSMANMon Sep 12 1994 18:294
>>"Gun Fight at OK Coral"
>>staring Bert Langcaster as Wyatt Earp and Michael Duglas as Doc Holiday

it was Kirk Douglas, not Michael!
626.77361::MAIEWSKIMon Sep 12 1994 18:5116
  Right, Michael's father Kirk :*)}

  Also the guy who played Dr McCoy on Star Trek was one of the Earp's in that
movie. I believe he played Morgan Earp. 

  Another thing the movies usually get wrong was that Virgil Earp was the older
brother that accomplished the most and usually ran the town. Wyatt and Morgan
were more or less along for the ride. It's always been my guess that the reason
Wyatt usually gets the credit for being the head of the clan is that Virgil is
not a heroic enough sounding name. 

  "Virgil Earp, Virgil Earp, brave courageous and bold ..."

  "That won't work, let's use Wyatt's name instead".

  George
626.8Not the OK Corral... but..10529::HAYNESTue Sep 13 1994 15:453
    My favorite Wyatt Earp is still James Garner from 'Sunset'...
    
    Michael
626.9Yeah, where's the "Sunset" topic?VMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Sep 13 1994 17:305
    Actually, "Sunset" had a pretty good O.K. Corral scene, though it was
    only a brief recollection while they were filming a re-enactment,
    more or less.
    
      John
626.10For the record...7780::DESOURDISWed Sep 14 1994 09:3914
    Back in 1968, James Garner played a more serious Earp in "Hour of the
    Gun" with Jason Robards Jr. as Holiday.   Well worth checking out.  
    And I'm surprised no one has mentioned "My Darling Clementine" (1946),
    which cast Henry Fonda (Bridget's grandpa, for you young'uns) as Wyatt
    and Victor Mature as Doc.  And back in 1932 "Law and Order" starred
    Walter Huston (who begat John, who begat Angelica) as some
    approximation of the Wyatt Earp character, although I'm not sure
    whether he was given a fictitious name.  "Law and Order" was remade (at
    least, the title was reused) in the 1950's with Ronald Reagan (you
    remember, Patty's dad).  Joel McCrea played Wyatt in "Wichita" in 1955. 
    
    And no doubt there are dozens more I've missed.  
    
    Ron D.
626.11And another thing...21637::DESOURDISThu Sep 15 1994 12:236
    One more I'm ashamed I forgot (men have been shot for less): Randolph
    Scott was Wyatt in 1939's "Frontier Marshal" with Cesar Romero as Doc. 
    This was based on Stuart Lake's "Wyatt Earp, Frontier Marshal", which
    is responsible for most (if not all) of the Earp myths.  
    
    Ron D.
626.12Data, again...QUARRY::reevesJon Reeves, UNIX compiler groupFri Sep 16 1994 18:3920
I don't feel guilty about this one, since it's not a standard search function
of the databases: here's all the "Wyatt Earp" characters in there.  There's no
character names yet for Wichita or the 1953 Law and Order, so those aren't here;
also, the 1932 L&O Walter Huston character was "Frame Johnson," so they must
have gone the fiction route.  I suspect Randolph Dreyfuss's character was
loosely based, at best...

Costner, Kevin|Wyatt Earp|Marshal Wyatt Earp
Crabbe, Buster|Badman's Country|Wyatt Earp
Dreyfuss, Randolph|National Lampoon's Vacation|Wyatt Earp
Everett, Chad|"Rousters, The"|Wyatt Earp III
Fonda, Henry|My Darling Clementine|Wyatt Earp
Garner, James|Hour of the Gun|Wyatt Earp
Garner, James|Sunset|Wyatt Earp
Geer, Will|Winchester '73 (1950)|Wyatt Earp
Lancaster, Burt|Gunfight at the O.K. Corral|Wyatt Earp
Russell, Kurt|Tombstone|Wyatt Earp
Scott, Randolph|Frontier Marshal|Wyatt Earp
Stewart, James|Cheyenne Autumn|Wyatt Earp
Ward, Fred|Four Eyes and Six-Guns (TV)|Wyatt Earp
626.133759::AHERNDennis the MenaceSat Sep 17 1994 20:486
    RE: .12  by QUARRY::reeves 
    
    >Dreyfuss, Randolph|National Lampoon's Vacation|Wyatt Earp
    
    I don't remember a Wyatt Earp character in NLV?
    
626.14NETRIX::michaudRobin HoodFri Nov 25 1994 19:0926
	I finally found 3 hours for this one and can say ....

> barry norman reckoned it was either too long (over 3 hours) or
> too short (tried to deal with too much in too short a time) ....

	"Too long" is the correct answer.  I felt "Tombstone" covered
	much more material (and also felt more in depth) than this
	slow moving boring version.

> .... and would've been better off as an 8hr tv mini-series ....

	Funny you (or barry) said this, while watching it I said to
	myself, this has the feel of a made for TV [so called] movie",
	and I can't stand 'em (or the even more drawn out mini-series
	versions of them).

> .... either way, it's thunder was stolen by tombstone despite good acting
> all round...

	"Good acting all round"???  This is where your critic got it wrong.
	This is probably the worse (or 2nd worse, I forget his other bad
	acting job) acting job Costner has ever done.  The supporting cast
	wasn't great either, but did a hell of a better job than Costner.

	I feel I was robbed of 3 hours of my life.  My only hope is that
	by writing this I can save someone else from also being robbed.....
626.15ASABET::BRIGGSTue Jan 10 1995 15:089
    i rented this over the weekend and have to agree that it was much too
    long and boring.  tombstone was by far the better of the two. i also
    liked val kilmer better than dennis quaid. 
    
    kevin costner played the same type of boring and misunderstood role 
    that he usually plays.  
    
    jeane
    
626.16Up for a RazzieGMASEC::CLARKMon Feb 20 1995 21:571
    Nominated for a Razzie as Worst Movie of the Year. 
626.17Boring at times, but it does have its momentsHOTLNE::SHIELDSSat Dec 21 1996 03:0021