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Title:Movie Reviews and Discussion
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Created:Thu Jan 28 1993
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440.0. "Heaven and Earth" by 49438::BARTAK (Andrea Bartak, Vienna, Austria) Tue Jan 25 1994 06:01

    It opens here this Friday.
    
    Tommy Lee Jones and Joan Chen are in it, directed by Oliver Stone.
    
    Was this a flop in the US cinemas ? I wonder why there is no
    note about it in MOVIES !
    
    Andrea
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440.1**� / *****VMSDEV::HALLYBFish have no concept of fireTue Jan 25 1994 12:4814
    I saw it a couple weeks ago. It was OK, good cinematography. Great
    makeup on Joan Chen -- she started out unattractive and then went
    downhill from there. Oliver Stone showed the VC to be as bad as the
    American troops, which was probably true.
    
    The movie suffers a bit from being long (~2:30) and Stone's heavy-
    handed approach -- he wants to make sure EVERYBODY gets his point.
    (Simple, non-spoiler example: Vietnamese girl comes to America and
    the first time she sees a refrigerator it's not one like most Americans
    have, nooo, it's a double-wide behemoth just stuffed chock full of
    food and frills, the camera down on the floor looking up so as to make
    it even more imposing. C'mon Oliver, trust your audience more!)
    
      John
440.2An illustrated reading51219::GARLICK_NWed Jan 26 1994 02:1519
    Funnily enough, the kitchen/refrigerator scene was one of the few I
    enjoyed. I agree that it was overdone, but at least it made its point
    without that damned voiceover. Listening to the (seemingly) ever
    present narration drove me nuts. It was like watching an illustrated
    reading of the book and not a story told visually: scenes galloped along 
    one after the other and the only way to know what was happening was to 
    listen to the narration. Just watching and listening to the actors wasn't 
    enough.
    
    I ended up with the impression that there was so much plot to cram in
    that the only way to make sure it was all included (in that running
    time) was to add the voiceover. I wish he'd gone for three hours and
    let everybody 'breathe' a little more. If the story's good enough (and
    this one was) three hours is nothing. Look at "Dances With Wolves".
    
    It did look stunning, though.
    
    Nick
    
440.3Not terribly convincing, IMO...VARESE::SACHA::IDC_BSTROh no! NOT Milan Kundera again!Wed Jul 26 1995 08:4320
    
    Finally saw this (on video) for the first time last night, and I have
    to say I share share the criticism levelled in the previous notes...too
    long, too obvious, and too much narration (hell, the only thing I
    *wasn't* tired of after 2.5 hours was the superb photography!)
    
    Don't get me wrong, it had one or two other positive features. However,
    I could understand an American getting pretty irritable at the
    over-simplistic view of the States portrayed in the second half of the
    film: beautiful, simple Asian girl unable to come to terms with
    overwhelming power of American capitalism (represented by overstocked
    fridge and overweight sister-in-law). What's more, I sat through the
    whole film without once really experiencing the horror and dread one
    normally associates with the Vietnam war; too many clean, well-shaven
    soldiers intent purely on getting their oats for my liking!     
    
    Then again, I've never been much of an Oliver Stone fan anyway, and
    many people have told me that, by contrast, the book's well worth a read.
    
    Dom